Creating a new Medina

[dil_dil]

Latest UNDP report. Page no. 19

http://hdr.undp.org/sites/default/files/hdr14-report-en-1.pdf

Again you missed world bank, world hunger and toilet problem of Bharat mata reports? Keep living in delusions of shining India, while living in slums.

 

[Nitin Goyal]

Again you missed world bank, world hunger and toilet problem of Bharat mata reports? Keep living in delusions of shining India, while living in slums.

very fast..read is so fast. I'm impressed.
How about the human development index and failed country index.

 

[dil_dil]

very fast..read is so fast. I'm impressed.
How about the human development index and failed country index.

Its funny because these so called hdi make no sense when other reports say India have more poverty, hunger and people shitting in open then Pak. Yet some how India end up couple of places higher in hdi?

Hell even nange bhuke bengalis now are higher then Pak on hdi lol

Poverty and hunger does not matter for HDI.

 

[ranjeet]

Again you missed world bank, world hunger and toilet problem of Bharat mata reports? Keep living in delusions of shining India, while living in slums.

Slums or not it's still going to be India, whereas you were crying about how Pakistan is not going to be there after 14th Aug in some other thread. Stop trolling and focus on Pakistan and how to keep it intact, when your own political parties are trying to tear it down piece by piece.

 

[dil_dil]

Slums or not it's still going to be India, whereas you were crying about how Pakistan is not going to be there after 14th Aug in some other thread. Stop trolling and focus on Pakistan and how to keep it intact, when your own political parties are trying to tear it down piece by piece.

Soon to be bihari babua, that thread is internal matter of Pakistan. So what if India will remain India? Congrats on your new bihari lords lol

 

[ranjeet]

Soon to be bihari babua, that thread is internal matter of Pakistan. So what if India will remain India? Congrats on your new bihari lords lol

poverty, hunger and lack of sanitation facilities are internal matter of India, why you poking your nose in our sh!t. Lol @ Bihari lords, who is going to be your lord Chaudhary? Taliban Khan or Gullu Qadri !!!

 

[INDIC]

Pakistan also has faced 4 wars, insurgency the largest refugee population coming into the country, more sanctions than india and yet still before 2007 pakistan was developing faster than india. Our 5 year plans were used by south korea. Pia was the best airline in the 70s and helped start emirates.
Btw nehru said pakistan wont survive 6 months and look what happened we are still here but he isnt

You don't have East Pakistan now. If Muslim League had lost 1946 election in either of Bengal or Punjab the largest Muslim provinces, it was impossible to create Pakistan in 1947.

 

[dil_dil]

poverty, hunger and lack of sanitation facilities are internal matter of India, why you poking your nose in our sh!t. Lol @ Bihari lords, who is going to be your lord Chaudhary? Taliban Khan or Gullu Qadri !!!

biharans will change your whole nasal in to bihari bhaiyas. You guys have bigger problem then us.

 

[Chronos]

@nair , @Ravi Nair , @Contrarian , I have read your posts on the first page.

Contrarian is right in that India is a bit better off than Pakistan. There is no denying it. However, I must point out since I am old enough to remember very well, that Pakistan was far better off than India until the mid-90s. During the 80s Pakistanis were convinced of the superiority of their position. Though we lagged in education, we were better off in every other department. Only those sectors that had some sort of relevance to the absolute size of economy, consumers, and land area, was India ahead of Pakistan. A pertinent example would be Heavy Industry, or pharmaceutical Industry.

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so you are telling me India didn't do all that bad from the mid 90's till now? Apart from the economic slowdown now I guess.

This also coincides with the rapid rise of urban centres like Hyderabad, Bangalore, Chennai who have tripled in size.

Long way to go though

 

[SrNair]

I see it otherwise. In 1947, we were not essentially a nation to compete with our immediate neighbour. We had our own set of challenges. Under Nehru's convincing guidance India was bound to adopt a socialist framework, not only liberating all the poor, under privileged or the oppressed from the tutelage of hundred years of economic suppression but to remove the thousand years of socio-religious dogmas and superstitions. There was also a serious challenge to its leaders to find a workable solution (solution that would Two Nation theory) under which the Hindus and Muslims would live peacefully.

After almost seventy years, have we achieved all of these? People had their taste of economic liberation but India is far from being a socialist country. The gap between the rich and its poor is increasing day by day. Despite the fact that India has an enviable number of people dwelling in Middle income group, the number of poor living in it is an astonishingly unbelievable figure. Our basic rights like education, health care, drinking water or sanitation are still luxury to most of its people. The unfortunate dwellers in the tribal areas still depend on quacks and witchcraft to cure the unwell. We are living in an age where still Nido Taniams get mocked and secluded by their fellow countrymen. Did Gandhi and Nehru envisage this? I guess no.

Lastly, those who are convinced enough to draw a distinct line of civilian liberty and religious tolerance between India and Pakistan should be careful before doing so. Sachar committee report has not been a good mark on India’s record of treating its minorities with respect if not in utmost equality. The recent frequent religious riots (who’s ever fault it is) is a proof that there are plenty reasons to rethink our minority policy so far which had been abused by appeasement politics by our self proclaimed secular leaders. It has only hardened the religious right wingers day by day.


So, in my view we are far from being successful as the word “success” was seen seventy years ago and there is no scope for self satisfaction and self amusement.

First of all I posted that comment because two nation idea of Jinnah is somehow was a wrong.He created Pakistan for peaceful life of Muslims and other minorities in Pakistan.
Can you agree with that?
Here I considered only two nations India and Pakistan.Pakistan is not a bench mark Of course.But this thread is about partition .
But when it comes to India and China or any other developed nation we are far from the successful.We know that.1000 of years practices ,diversity ,linguistic differences cant be clear out with 70 years of modern rule.We Indians know that.Its all about peoples very beliefs.
Like I said India is a unique case.
Ifyou aimed for a developed nation then yes we have a light years ahead of us.
Disparity between rich and poor is a global phenomena.We cant resist it beyond some limits.
Even in the middle of all these challenges we have a stable democracy ,systematic governance at least we have some hope that we can move without food aid or economic aid or aany other freebies from foreign nations and entities.
That is what I am talking about.

I think you missed world bank report, only Lanka of ravan have less poverty then Pak in South Asia. Or the fact that 60% of hindus like to shit in open like animals. And you also missed latest report about South Asia hunger problem which explain weak hindu phisique.

What do you know about India and its povery ?You idiots.
This is a nation where a NRI ,having lakhs of salary per month ,can carry a Below Poverty Line cards and snatch the govt subsidies.I know a lot of guys personally.They are rich but in govt records they are poor.Same things goes to rich farmers and businessmen both small scale and large scale.
So if you dont know anything about this then plese STFU.

 

[SrNair]

Its funny because these so called hdi make no sense when other reports say India have more poverty, hunger and people shitting in open then Pak. Yet some how India end up couple of places higher in hdi?

Hell even nange bhuke bengalis now are higher then Pak on hdi lol

Poverty and hunger does not matter for HDI.

Really ??
Like I said if you dont know anything about India then please shut it.
Yes we have poverty BIMARU about 7 to 8 states where half of our 125 crore people living is almost equal sub saharan standard.But that doesnt remain like that forever even in this BIMARU , Madhya Pradesh ,Bihar and some other states are now experiencing almost 15+ GDP rate.So within a decade they can uplift their people.
And then take other 20+ states where some states like kerala are almost equal to developed world.All other states are also such a high growth rate in SI and North also

 

[Qaiser Ali Khan]

Jinnah called himself as representatives of all Indian Muslims, India still have both the communities and hardly few of the Muslim from Hindu majority provinces went to Pakistan. I can't understand, how the problem was solved in Jinnah's logic.

Our problems will never be solved until india accepts our sovereignty as a free country for Muslims. Her hatred against us from day one, which is mainly due to the ideology of Akandh Bharat, compelled us to undermine one another. Jinnah never has this idea in mind that Pakistan will become the center of world's top rank intelligence agencies with which ISI will have to fight the longest cold war in modern history. just yesterday, indian BSF shot down a simple villager on pakistani side from across the boarder, while pakistanies handed them over their BSF soldier alive the day before yesterday. Look at the difference in mentalities, we are sending happy unharmed soldiers and they, corpses. How can you assume that our countries will progress?

 

[SrNair]

Pakistan also has faced 4 wars, insurgency the largest refugee population coming into the country, more sanctions than india and yet still before 2007 pakistan was developing faster than india. Our 5 year plans were used by south korea. Pia was the best airline in the 70s and helped start emirates.
Btw nehru said pakistan wont survive 6 months and look what happened we are still here but he isnt

Noone asked you to hang your hands across the shoulder of a Superpower in name of friendship.Your leaders took the wetwork of US against USSR.
That is where the all problems lies.
Your leaders ignore you nations fathers words.

 

[nair]

@nair , @Ravi Nair , @Contrarian , I have read your posts on the first page.

Contrarian is right in that India is a bit better off than Pakistan. There is no denying it..

Yes He is right when he say we are better when you compare.....But you know when i look at it, i feel you may be one or 2 feet deeper in that Sh!t, But both nations are deep in it.....

India is developing, but our development is not uniform..... I remember one of my trip in early 2000's thru parts of andhra, orissa and chattisgarh......the difference between my place and those places were huge..... I was really upset and sad looking at the living condition of those places....That trip opened my eyes and changed my way of looking at development..... We look at India's development based on cities or states like, Maharashtra, Delhi, Karnataka and Tamil Nadu, but we conveniently ignore the states like Bihar, Jharkand, Orissa, Arunachal and North east..(we have a thread on India's development in PDF, a quick look at that thread will give you a better idea) ... India will never be developed if we dont work on these states... and it will take decades to improve those states to bring to the level of other states.....

Similarly if we had to look at the development of Pakistan, one should look at the provinces like FATA, Baloochistan.....

But i agree with your point on the state of development till 90's..... Till 90's Pakistan was ahead in almost all the development parameters But one must not forget the influence of US support in this.... But i guess the we met each other in mid 90's in development, and once MMS took over as Fm minister, that is where we changed our gears......

 

[Qaiser Ali Khan]

Noone asked you to hang your hands across the shoulder of a Superpower in name of friendship.Your leaders took the wetwork of US against USSR.
That is where the all problems lies.
Your leaders ignore you nations fathers words.

we shouldnt have lead the war in afghanistan had it not been India's close ties with USSR. We didnt to become a sandwich between two powerful enemies. Afghans are no one's friends, they are narcissists.