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Country of broken railway tracks: How will bullet train run?

I know you like to BS but there is a limit to it.
There are only two trains in India that can achieve the speed of 160kmph. The rest are snails pace.
Want me to break it out to you?

Do not expose your born and bought up. You wrote that rest of the trains run at a snail speed and I gave you example. Your idiocy and reeducation camp education shows its colors again and again.
 
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First of all, Mumbai Ahmadabad HSR link is based on two solid facts:
1. Traffic Volume
2. Paying Capacity of people.
The route will pass through some of the fastest growing cities in India viz Surat and Vadodara.
those who travel on this line (i do frequently) will understand how packed higher classes of accommodation (AC 1 &2) are on the route including Shatabdi express which despite having two executive class is almost always packed.
this gives us a fair idea of existence of a customer class that is willing to pay higher fare for speed and service. ergo the HST on the route.
By present estimates, the fare will be close in range of economy travel (air) and here Railway can provide a 3 hour end to end Mumbai Ahmadabad service which will compete with air travel (taking into 45 minutes check in time limit for domestic travelers).
Second the question of its utility, HST especially as Chinese model has shown can get popular very quickly especially with budget travelers. Yes it requires massive infra-structure capital cost, but it pays off relatively quickly. I've no doubt in my mind, it will succeed in India too.
Finally on question of railway finances. HST is a terribly costly technology and requires tremendous patience on part of operator as far as economics is concerned. However with Japan offering soft loan and long payback period, it probably isn't a bad idea. However its duplication across nations will require Railway equity which already is stretched badly. The first priority of DFC must remain unchanged.
Overall should India take HST plunge.
Off course!!
http://www.firstpost.com/india/indi...its-more-of-a-vanity-project-3102930.html#top

There are over 200 trains going from Ahmedabad to Mumbai. The first one leaves just after midnight and the last one leaves just before. So there are trains going through the day to cover the 524 km distance.

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There is an airport in Ahmedabad from where there are about 10 daily flights to Mumbai. Ahmedabad and Mumbai are part of the Golden Quadrilateral highway network with six lane expressways on which travel by road is as fast as travel by train. It is possibly the best connected route in India.
I am writing this because prime minister Narendra Modi is in Japan, where he finalised a deal for a bullet train with Japanese leader Shinzo Abe. The train will run from Ahmedabad to Mumbai and design work will begin in a few days.

The project will cost around Rs 1 lakh crore. The cost is officially said to be Rs 97,636 crore, but reports said a Rs 10,000 crore additional cost may be incurred.


Narendra Modi and Shinzo Abe. PTI

To put the figure in perspective, we should know that it is three times the size of India's health budget. India is a country where 38 percent of all children are malnourished and stunted at the age of two. This means they will have less physical and intellectual capacity than healthy children and they will never be able to lead a fulfilling life. The bullet train will cost more than we spend annually on the education budget of India. Again, we have some of the lowest literacy rates in the world. And we have a very poor quality of literacy, about which I have written before.

The other aspect is that even within the transport industry, our investment does not seem to be made with any sort of attention to the poor and those most in need. In 2005, the BJP governments in Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh shut down the state transport bus system. The reason was that the buses did not make a profit — but how are the poor expected to travel? Of course this profitability is not expected of the bullet train and other projects because, like the giant statues of Vallabhbhai Patel and Chhatrapati Shivaji coming up in Ahmedabad and Mumbai, these are projects that will add to national pride.

One justification for the bullet train is that it will also service two other Gujarati cities on the route — Vadodara, which is 110 km from Ahmedabad and Surat, which is another 120 km down the road. Vadodara also has many flights to Mumbai. I used to regularly visit my parents in Surat because there was a single flight from Bangalore, but now I cannot because there is no flight. On 6 November, 2014, a SpiceJet Boeing had an accident at Surat airport. A report said the plane "hit a buffalo that had strayed on to the runway because of a hole in the airport’s boundary wall. The engine of the Boeing 737 aircraft was severely damaged by the hit and the plane stopped. The buffalo was killed".
The report added that the "civil aviation ministry has ordered two inquiries, by the director general of civil aviation and the Airports Authority of India. A perimeter security review of airports across the country has been ordered" and "minister Ashok Gajapati Raju held a 2-hour meeting this morning and ordered, sources say, that all airports should be secured by a concrete boundary, not fencing or brick walls".

The government seems to be keen on spending money for the transport of the rich, on the assumption that this will grow the economy and ultimately benefit the nation. If so, it will help to have a functional and safe airport in Surat that connects it to the rest of the world, rather than a bullet train taking one only to and from Mumbai.

This buffalo episode highlights the inability of India to secure and sanitise spaces. That additional cost of Rs 10,000 crore referred to earlier is for an elevated corridor, meaning the bullet train will run high above the chaos of India. It will be a vanity project, sucking money that could be used for health and education. And of absolutely no use to the vast majority of Indians. It will be of no particular use even to those living in and between Ahmedabad and Mumbai, already the best connected part of India.


Published Date: Nov 13, 2016 09:49 am | Updated Date: Nov 13, 2016 09:49 am
 
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http://www.firstpost.com/india/indi...its-more-of-a-vanity-project-3102930.html#top

There are over 200 trains going from Ahmedabad to Mumbai. The first one leaves just after midnight and the last one leaves just before. So there are trains going through the day to cover the 524 km distance.

×
There is an airport in Ahmedabad from where there are about 10 daily flights to Mumbai. Ahmedabad and Mumbai are part of the Golden Quadrilateral highway network with six lane expressways on which travel by road is as fast as travel by train. It is possibly the best connected route in India.
I am writing this because prime minister Narendra Modi is in Japan, where he finalised a deal for a bullet train with Japanese leader Shinzo Abe. The train will run from Ahmedabad to Mumbai and design work will begin in a few days.

The project will cost around Rs 1 lakh crore. The cost is officially said to be Rs 97,636 crore, but reports said a Rs 10,000 crore additional cost may be incurred.


Narendra Modi and Shinzo Abe. PTI

To put the figure in perspective, we should know that it is three times the size of India's health budget. India is a country where 38 percent of all children are malnourished and stunted at the age of two. This means they will have less physical and intellectual capacity than healthy children and they will never be able to lead a fulfilling life. The bullet train will cost more than we spend annually on the education budget of India. Again, we have some of the lowest literacy rates in the world. And we have a very poor quality of literacy, about which I have written before.

The other aspect is that even within the transport industry, our investment does not seem to be made with any sort of attention to the poor and those most in need. In 2005, the BJP governments in Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh shut down the state transport bus system. The reason was that the buses did not make a profit — but how are the poor expected to travel? Of course this profitability is not expected of the bullet train and other projects because, like the giant statues of Vallabhbhai Patel and Chhatrapati Shivaji coming up in Ahmedabad and Mumbai, these are projects that will add to national pride.

One justification for the bullet train is that it will also service two other Gujarati cities on the route — Vadodara, which is 110 km from Ahmedabad and Surat, which is another 120 km down the road. Vadodara also has many flights to Mumbai. I used to regularly visit my parents in Surat because there was a single flight from Bangalore, but now I cannot because there is no flight. On 6 November, 2014, a SpiceJet Boeing had an accident at Surat airport. A report said the plane "hit a buffalo that had strayed on to the runway because of a hole in the airport’s boundary wall. The engine of the Boeing 737 aircraft was severely damaged by the hit and the plane stopped. The buffalo was killed".
The report added that the "civil aviation ministry has ordered two inquiries, by the director general of civil aviation and the Airports Authority of India. A perimeter security review of airports across the country has been ordered" and "minister Ashok Gajapati Raju held a 2-hour meeting this morning and ordered, sources say, that all airports should be secured by a concrete boundary, not fencing or brick walls".

The government seems to be keen on spending money for the transport of the rich, on the assumption that this will grow the economy and ultimately benefit the nation. If so, it will help to have a functional and safe airport in Surat that connects it to the rest of the world, rather than a bullet train taking one only to and from Mumbai.

This buffalo episode highlights the inability of India to secure and sanitise spaces. That additional cost of Rs 10,000 crore referred to earlier is for an elevated corridor, meaning the bullet train will run high above the chaos of India. It will be a vanity project, sucking money that could be used for health and education. And of absolutely no use to the vast majority of Indians. It will be of no particular use even to those living in and between Ahmedabad and Mumbai, already the best connected part of India.


Published Date: Nov 13, 2016 09:49 am | Updated Date: Nov 13, 2016 09:49 am

Sir, above reply is quite long and while i would like to discuss point wise, i do wish to state one thing, which i believe firmly.
As far as finances go, Railways is in bad shape and it will take atleast 15 years of prudence to bring it back on track with several tough decisions. Therefore the priority right now should be:
a. Increase on Railway safety to meet recommendations of Dr. Kakodkar Committee
b. Implement DFC quickly, for all projects, railways is implementing, this is likely to breakeven at the earliest and will indirectly improve speed of passenger trains too.
Projects like HST are desirable especially when Japan is financing them but are they on top of priority list? i guess the answer is No.
 
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http://www.firstpost.com/india/indi...its-more-of-a-vanity-project-3102930.html#top

There are over 200 trains going from Ahmedabad to Mumbai. The first one leaves just after midnight and the last one leaves just before. So there are trains going through the day to cover the 524 km distance.

×
There is an airport in Ahmedabad from where there are about 10 daily flights to Mumbai. Ahmedabad and Mumbai are part of the Golden Quadrilateral highway network with six lane expressways on which travel by road is as fast as travel by train. It is possibly the best connected route in India.
I am writing this because prime minister Narendra Modi is in Japan, where he finalised a deal for a bullet train with Japanese leader Shinzo Abe. The train will run from Ahmedabad to Mumbai and design work will begin in a few days.

The project will cost around Rs 1 lakh crore. The cost is officially said to be Rs 97,636 crore, but reports said a Rs 10,000 crore additional cost may be incurred.


Narendra Modi and Shinzo Abe. PTI

To put the figure in perspective, we should know that it is three times the size of India's health budget. India is a country where 38 percent of all children are malnourished and stunted at the age of two. This means they will have less physical and intellectual capacity than healthy children and they will never be able to lead a fulfilling life. The bullet train will cost more than we spend annually on the education budget of India. Again, we have some of the lowest literacy rates in the world. And we have a very poor quality of literacy, about which I have written before.

The other aspect is that even within the transport industry, our investment does not seem to be made with any sort of attention to the poor and those most in need. In 2005, the BJP governments in Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh shut down the state transport bus system. The reason was that the buses did not make a profit — but how are the poor expected to travel? Of course this profitability is not expected of the bullet train and other projects because, like the giant statues of Vallabhbhai Patel and Chhatrapati Shivaji coming up in Ahmedabad and Mumbai, these are projects that will add to national pride.

One justification for the bullet train is that it will also service two other Gujarati cities on the route — Vadodara, which is 110 km from Ahmedabad and Surat, which is another 120 km down the road. Vadodara also has many flights to Mumbai. I used to regularly visit my parents in Surat because there was a single flight from Bangalore, but now I cannot because there is no flight. On 6 November, 2014, a SpiceJet Boeing had an accident at Surat airport. A report said the plane "hit a buffalo that had strayed on to the runway because of a hole in the airport’s boundary wall. The engine of the Boeing 737 aircraft was severely damaged by the hit and the plane stopped. The buffalo was killed".
The report added that the "civil aviation ministry has ordered two inquiries, by the director general of civil aviation and the Airports Authority of India. A perimeter security review of airports across the country has been ordered" and "minister Ashok Gajapati Raju held a 2-hour meeting this morning and ordered, sources say, that all airports should be secured by a concrete boundary, not fencing or brick walls".

The government seems to be keen on spending money for the transport of the rich, on the assumption that this will grow the economy and ultimately benefit the nation. If so, it will help to have a functional and safe airport in Surat that connects it to the rest of the world, rather than a bullet train taking one only to and from Mumbai.

This buffalo episode highlights the inability of India to secure and sanitise spaces. That additional cost of Rs 10,000 crore referred to earlier is for an elevated corridor, meaning the bullet train will run high above the chaos of India. It will be a vanity project, sucking money that could be used for health and education. And of absolutely no use to the vast majority of Indians. It will be of no particular use even to those living in and between Ahmedabad and Mumbai, already the best connected part of India.


Published Date: Nov 13, 2016 09:49 am | Updated Date: Nov 13, 2016 09:49 am
Actually if you read into the details of the deal- its pretty good. A soft loan at 0.1% over 50 years+moratorium of another 15 years. Mind you- this isn't a shared basis type project. No infra loans come that cheap, over such long durations. It also works some stuff out under make in India. I think its a good start + economically - such good deals are hard to come by.
 
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Do not expose your born and bought up. You wrote that rest of the trains run at a snail speed and I gave you example. Your idiocy and reeducation camp education shows its colors again and again.
Lol, apply burnol..... On the right spot.
 
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Lol, apply burnol..... On the right spot.

It is nice. Chinese quoting Made in India anti burn cream. This is not new. China has a track record of selling their substandard drugs with made in India Title.
 
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Sir, above reply is quite long and while i would like to discuss point wise, i do wish to state one thing, which i believe firmly.
As far as finances go, Railways is in bad shape and it will take atleast 15 years of prudence to bring it back on track with several tough decisions. Therefore the priority right now should be:
a. Increase on Railway safety to meet recommendations of Dr. Kakodkar Committee
b. Implement DFC quickly, for all projects, railways is implementing, this is likely to breakeven at the earliest and will indirectly improve speed of passenger trains too.
Projects like HST are desirable especially when Japan is financing them but are they on top of priority list? i guess the answer is No.

Japan wants us to adopt their technology and hence are giving us favorable term of loan for this project. Going forward we would have to come with our own cash for any escalation in project cost. I just hope we don't neglect our present trains for some feel good show piece. Also we should separate the HSR budget from railway budget so has to not muddle up our priorities.
 
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It is nice. Chinese quoting Made in India anti burn cream. This is not new. China has a track record of selling their substandard drugs with made in India Title.
All what you said doesn't make your train run any faster.
:laugh:
 
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Why can't India raise ticket prices to pay for the upgrade of existing lines? The money has to come from somewhere.
 
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So Indians want development, infrastructure, and all the nice things, but they don't want to pay for them?
Yes.. I remember that you paid for the last gutter cover that was placed on the road next to Indian parliament... Right?

kahan kaha se aa jate hain..
 
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kahan kaha se aa jate hain..

Yes the last order of Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules was funded by Martians...

A few transport planes designed 50 years ago don't cost much compared to infrastructure projects. In fact, the money used for buying the C-130J could have been better used elsewhere: education, infrastructure, or designing an indigenous transport plane.
 
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