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COULD THE CASC CH-5 UAV BE AN OPTION FOR PAKISTAN?

@Bilal Khan 777 @HRK @araz a bit off topic question , I wonder why Pakistan is not using Burraq armed drone in FATA ? if we are using it often than the footage were kept secret , and if not than why not ?
 
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the one crashed.is Wing loong I, I have looked those pictures.

before you post here, please do some homework.

and you dont have to jump out everytime i.quote Bilal, you are not his personal GUARDIAN.
I wont step in as long as you maintain civility and argue with evidence rather than personal assaults. This is what I have been trying to tell you for a long time.
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@Bilal Khan 777 @HRK @araz a bit off topic question , I wonder why Pakistan is not using Burraq armed drone in FATA ? if we are using it often than the footage were kept secret , and if not than why not ?
Our source is possibly China. On that basis I surmise that the product is still in testing phase. It will see action once we know it has matured. This is my humble opinion.
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Our aource is possibly China. On that basis I surmise that the prosuct is still in testing phase. It will see actioon once we know it has matured. This is my humble opinion.

Its understandable that if the product is not matured enough to be sent on sensitive missions .. I hope we start using Burraq and our own MALE Drones on these TTP , JuA and ISIS scums .
 
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No they are not. J-31 chances are reducing and I wish it comes but Pakistan it working on few Armed Drones of its own. The 5th Generation will be designed by us and we would also be partners in one with China and most likely Turkish one also
Ager yeh khaber sachi hai tu lajawab hai.
 
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The development of CH-5
2015/8/26
CH-5 made its maiden flight at an airport in northwestern China.
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Source:http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2015-11/21/content_22506401.htm


2016/11/04 China had granted an export license for the CH-5 reconnaissance/combat drone.
Source:http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201611/04/WS5a2b89d9a310eefe3e9a106b.html


2017/7/14 The first mass-production CH-5 made its debut flight, in which it was airborne for more than 20 minutes, at an airport in Hebei province.
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Source:http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-07/14/c_136444659.htm


2017/9 CH-5 had already completed performance flight testing and live-fire exercise, and entered into small-scale production.
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Source:http://en.people.cn/n3/2017/0926/c90000-9273955.html


2018/6/4
CH-5 made its test flight on the plateau.
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The development of CH-5
2015/8/26
CH-5 made its maiden flight at an airport in northwestern China.
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Source:http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2015-11/21/content_22506401.htm


2016/11/04 China had granted an export license for the CH-5 reconnaissance/combat drone.
Source:http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201611/04/WS5a2b89d9a310eefe3e9a106b.html


2017/7/14 The first mass-production CH-5 made its debut flight, in which it was airborne for more than 20 minutes, at an airport in Hebei province.
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Source:http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-07/14/c_136444659.htm


2017/9 CH-5 had already completed performance flight testing and live-fire exercise, and entered into small-scale production.
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Source:http://en.people.cn/n3/2017/0926/c90000-9273955.html


2018/6/4
CH-5 made its test flight on the plateau.
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And the pictures prove what? Only that the system is in testing, and a few years from being proven. Given the history of CH-3, and CH-4, would CH-5 be miraculously different?

Everything looks good on paper, but such huge investment (speculated to be 10 million clean config, 20 million with payloads), in a MALE bird means less birds for the customer. With the program history, the attrition is expected to be high. In contested airspace, loss of one such bird will be a huge loss for a country like Pakistan.

I believe that this is a later step for Pakistan. Current step would be to make their own MALE unmanned platform, and if there are struggles with autopilot and telemetry, then use specialist input. Once the MALE bird doctrine are established, then progress to a combat capability by integrating whatever weapons are available. The Chinese weapons such as AR-1 and FT-9 are obvious contenders. Once the weaponized capability and sensor nodes are well absorbed in operation, then leap to upgrade of the wing to carry additional stores. This can be a 2-4 year process where Pakistan will come out as a sustainable producer for MALE UAV birds. However, trying to leap towards the Chinese concept will kill the ambitions of a local industry, not allow for local content, and make us further dependent on foreign designs and approaches, which in-fact already is a borrowed concept and not original design approach.

There is a next step for Pakistan after the above, and is to consider development of low-observable HALE drones for persistent and long duration surveillance at high altitude. This will add to the network enabled warfare which is the essential requirement.

Not as much as what our friend @Bilal Khan 777 recieves from the CIA lol.

Wow such a display of confidence from our friend @Bilal Khan 777 here, censoring most of our posts.

Who is the admin? Can they deal with the Chinese insult brigade as I dont have the time or patience.
 
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And the pictures prove what? Only that the system is in testing, and a few years from being proven. Given the history of CH-3, and CH-4, would CH-5 be miraculously different?

Everything looks good on paper, but such huge investment (speculated to be 10 million clean config, 20 million with payloads), in a MALE bird means less birds for the customer. With the program history, the attrition is expected to be high. In contested airspace, loss of one such bird will be a huge loss for a country like Pakistan.

I believe that this is a later step for Pakistan. Current step would be to make their own MALE unmanned platform, and if there are struggles with autopilot and telemetry, then use specialist input. Once the MALE bird doctrine are established, then progress to a combat capability by integrating whatever weapons are available. The Chinese weapons such as AR-1 and FT-9 are obvious contenders. Once the weaponized capability and sensor nodes are well absorbed in operation, then leap to upgrade of the wing to carry additional stores. This can be a 2-4 year process where Pakistan will come out as a sustainable producer for MALE UAV birds. However, trying to leap towards the Chinese concept will kill the ambitions of a local industry, not allow for local content, and make us further dependent on foreign designs and approaches, which in-fact already is a borrowed concept and not original design approach.

There is a next step for Pakistan after the above, and is to consider development of low-observable HALE drones for persistent and long duration surveillance at high altitude. This will add to the network enabled warfare which is the essential requirement.
What I want to say is: We don't need Pakistan to buy CH-5. We have our customers.
Best wish!
 
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And the pictures prove what? Only that the system is in testing, and a few years from being proven. Given the history of CH-3, and CH-4, would CH-5 be miraculously different?

Everything looks good on paper, but such huge investment (speculated to be 10 million clean config, 20 million with payloads), in a MALE bird means less birds for the customer. With the program history, the attrition is expected to be high. In contested airspace, loss of one such bird will be a huge loss for a country like Pakistan.

I believe that this is a later step for Pakistan. Current step would be to make their own MALE unmanned platform, and if there are struggles with autopilot and telemetry, then use specialist input. Once the MALE bird doctrine are established, then progress to a combat capability by integrating whatever weapons are available. The Chinese weapons such as AR-1 and FT-9 are obvious contenders. Once the weaponized capability and sensor nodes are well absorbed in operation, then leap to upgrade of the wing to carry additional stores. This can be a 2-4 year process where Pakistan will come out as a sustainable producer for MALE UAV birds. However, trying to leap towards the Chinese concept will kill the ambitions of a local industry, not allow for local content, and make us further dependent on foreign designs and approaches, which in-fact already is a borrowed concept and not original design approach.

There is a next step for Pakistan after the above, and is to consider development of low-observable HALE drones for persistent and long duration surveillance at high altitude. This will add to the network enabled warfare which is the essential requirement.



Who is the admin? Can they deal with the Chinese insult brigade as I dont have the time or patience.
Gesus, you almost give negative rating to all his and mine post.

What I want to say is: We don't need Pakistan to buy CH-5. We have our customers.
Best wish!
its Pakistan's call, not Bilal's.

UAV is a killing machine, we shall be careful when export it.

anyway, old_timer should get up to speed.

but i agree with.him that Pakistan shall not push too hard in MALE development. step by step.

China is.willing to provide technical support Pakistan need in MALE development.
 
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Pakistan already sign tot agreement with china about winglong 2 as own azm uav program. it was mentioned by a member rohail asif sometimes ago
 
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Pakistan already sign tot agreement with china about winglong 2 as own azm uav program. it was mentioned by a member rohail asif sometimes ago

There is no evidence to your claim that Pakistan has signed agreement or contract for WL2 for Azm UAV program.
 
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yes sir you are right but originally its a member Rohail Asif's claim not mine and he also claimed that 20+ will be block 3 dual seater jft ac.

I shall not comment on JFT, but there is no evidence of Pakistan buying WL2.
 
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