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Corbyn: UK could keep Trident submarines but without warheads

Seriously this Corbyn is the biggest joke around.

Makes more sense to just scrap everything to do with
nuclear weapons than to leave just the submarines but with no warheads.

does the UK even need ballistic missile submarines?? I'd rather the U.K use the money saved on beefing up it's land forces,surface navy, and air force.


U.S and France have plenty of nuke subs with plenty more warheads on them to make up for the loss.

At the end of the day you can only rely on yourself.
 
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Well, i am beginning to believe in what some conspiracy theories some of my colleagues say at work(though i never believe in conspiracy theories): 'That Corbyn might have been sent by the conservatives as a Trojan horse to totally destroy Labour to the point where Labour will never again be a mainstream part(just a small/fringe party like say UKIP/SNP etc).' lol

It's beginning to look like they were correct.:lol: If that's the case , then i must say he is doing a superb job as a conservative spy. :rofl:
Yes that did cross my mind, but he has had a hard on for extreme left since the days of Thatcher. He is just really naive :sarcastic: in most of his policies.

Either that or he is a trojan horse, like you said, sent since god knows when; making him the most dedicated and patience conservative in the UK history :D:D:D
 
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Seriously this Corbyn is the biggest joke around.

Makes more sense to just scrap everything to do with
nuclear weapons than to leave just the submarines but with no warheads.



At the end of the day you can only rely on yourself.


does the UK honestly believe we would allow the UK to be nuked without responding with our own??

what is the point of NATO then?
 
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Labour Party have history of electing eccentrics when they know they don't stand a chance of winning elections. They are used to keep the seat warm and appease the extreme left fringe. Think of Michael Foot and then Neil Kinnock. Then when the opening appears on the horizon new face is found to grab the reins - like Tony Blair mid 1990s.
 
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Seriously this Corbyn is the biggest joke around.

Makes more sense to just scrap everything to do with
nuclear weapons than to leave just the submarines but with no warheads.



At the end of the day you can only rely on yourself.

The U.K government has already said the U.K is committed to the successor SSBN program.

World Defence News: UK Government Commited to the Successor SSBN Ballistic Missile Submarine Program

and Defence giant BAE has already been awarded contractto design the next SSBN
BAE Systems Awarded $415 million Design Contract for U.K. Successor SSBN, Program Future Unclear - USNI News

Corbyn can carry on with his delusions(he will never be elected anyway). :coffee:
 
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Exclusive: UK nuclear deterrent to cost 167 billion pounds, far more than expected| Reuters

The overall cost of replacing and maintaining Britain's nuclear deterrent will reach 167 billion pounds ($256 billion), much more than expected, according to a lawmaker's and Reuters' calculations based on official figures.

The Scottish Nationalist Party, which wants Britain's Scotland-based nuclear-armed Trident submarines scrapped, called the sum "unthinkable and indefensible" at a time when deep cuts under the government's "austerity" policies mean "thousands of people across the UK are struggling to afford basics like food".

Some military officials also oppose investment in Trident, saying the money would be better spent on maintaining the army and on more conventional technology, which have also faced cuts.

Until now, Prime Minister David Cameron's government has said replacing the ageing fleet of four submarines which carry nuclear warheads to provide a continuous at-sea deterrent would cost an estimated 15-20 billion pounds.

It has as yet given no official estimate of the cost of its replacement and maintenance.

Critics have previously said Britain will need to spend 100 billion pounds, a figure based on a 2014 report by the independent Trident Commission.

In a written parliamentary response to Crispin Blunt, a lawmaker in Cameron's Conservative party, Minister of State for Defence Procurement Philip Dunne said on Friday the acquisition of four new submarines would cost 25 billion pounds.

He added that the in-service costs would be about 6 percent of the annual defence budget over their lifetime. The total defence budget for 2014/15 reached 33.8 billion pounds and rises to 34.1 billion pounds in 2015/16, according to the ministry.

"My office's calculation based on an in-service date of 2028 and a missile extension until 2060 ... the total cost is 167 billion pounds," Blunt told Reuters.

"The successor Trident programme is going to consume more than double the proportion of the defence budget of its predecessor ... The price required, both from the UK taxpayer and our conventional forces, is now too high to be rational or sensible."

His figure was based on a presumption that Britain will spend 2 percent of its annual gross domestic product (GDP) on defence, as Cameron's government has promised.

It also uses existing official government and International Monetary Fund figures, and an assumption of GDP growth of an annual average of 2.48 percent between 2020 and 2060.

Using the same figures, a Reuters calculation came to the same sum of 167 billion pounds.

Asked about the rising cost, a spokesperson for the British Ministry of Defence said the government had published an unclassified version of a review on alternatives to Trident which "demonstrated that no alternative system is as capable, or as cost-effective, as a Trident-based deterrent".

"At around 6 percent of the annual defence budget, the in-service costs of the UK's national deterrent ... are affordable and represent an investment in a capability which plays an important role in ensuring the UK's national security," the spokesperson said.
 
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I agree with him, rather than wasting money on warheads, britain should spend on better things like using the money to build thousands of houses for refugees.
 
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I'm torn on this. On the one hand I think we need to spend much more on defence. On the other hand if we're going to continue spending at the current rate then the money needed to renew trident will devastate our conventional forces. So I'd like both but if it's a choice between the two I'd scrap trident.

I agree with him, rather than wasting money on warheads, britain should spend on better things like using the money to build thousands of houses for refugees.
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He's increasingly seen as a clown even within Labour.Don't pay attention to the rants of this mad man and political cadaver.
 
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corbyn is an honourable person, I like the fact that he says whatever in his mind, its refreshing. This is why boris is popular(although bumbling fool persona of boris is carefully cultivated) in london.
This is one of those issues I dont agree with corbyn. Opponent of trident say its a cold war era weapon and UK forces should gear up for 21st century war against entities like ISIS. I think that's shortsighted, ISIS is not a threat to UK, and after IRA no terror group poses enough threat to UK. Defense spending should be based on how you see the world 20 years from now, not what is the current headline. Russia, china and other nuclear states pose challenge to UK's security, it will be foolish to give up submarine based second strike capability.
 
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