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NYT: Converging Interests May Lead to Cooperation Between Israel and Persian Gulf States

JERUSALEM — Looking for a potential bright spot in the roiling upheaval of the Middle East, American and Israeli officials meeting in Jerusalem on Monday held out the hope of growing security cooperation between Israel and its Arab neighbors in the Persian Gulf.

That idea, basically unthinkable a few years ago, could be more plausible now because of widespread worry over Iran’s nuclear program, coupled with chaos in Syria and turmoil in Egypt. Even though Saudi Arabia and other gulf countries have long viewed Israel as the Arab world’s biggest adversary, the rise of threats they all share in common is creating a new urgency to find common ground, the officials said.

Emerging from meetings with his Israeli counterparts on Monday, Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that discussions included “an outreach to other partners who may not have been willing to be partners in the past.”

He added, “What I mean is the Gulf states in particular, who heretofore may not have been as open-minded to the potential for cooperation with Israel, in any way.” While General Dempsey did not go into specifics, other American military officials said that possibilities include intelligence-sharing, joint counterterrorism exercises and perhaps looking for how Israeli and Saudi troops could jointly work on the training of Syrian opposition fighters.

“World jihadists are not fighting only against Israel,” said Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz, chief of the Israeli Defense Forces, adding that it would behoove neighboring states to look for ways to combat common enemies.

No one is talking about scheduling peace conferences between Israel and the Gulf countries just yet. Despite a growing number of interests in common, the obstacles that would prevent a public embrace of Israel by Arab governments are all still in place.

Most notably, Arab states have long insisted on the resolution of the Palestinians’ dispute with Israel before any wider peace initiative could be taken up. And on Monday, the prospects of Israeli-Palestinian talks were so bleak that Secretary of State John Kerry made an unscheduled visit to Israel to try to salvage the process.

When asked about common goals between Israel and the Gulf, Yousef al-Otaiba, the United Arab Emirates ambassador to the United States, notably did not mention the word “Israel” in his response: “The U.S. and the regional allies cannot find a solution to Syria, stabilize Egypt and halt the Iranian threat without the other,” Mr. al-Otaiba said. “There is simply no way around working together to resolve these issues.”

Still, American officials note that since the Arab Spring uprisings began more than three years ago, Israel and the Gulf countries have increasingly been voicing similar concerns.

For instance, Israel, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates share comparable views on the rise and fall of Mohammed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. They all were far more comfortable with the government of President Hosni Mubarak, and were dismayed at what they viewed as an abandonment of Mr. Mubarak by the United States in the face of the initial Tahrir Square uprising. The Saudis encouraged the Egyptian military’s ouster of the Muslim Brotherhood from power last year, and the subsequent crackdown on its supporters, despite American diplomatic efforts to avert both moves. Israel, for its part, is satisfied to have the Egyptian military back at the country’s helm.

The Egyptian-Israeli “peace treaty and its architecture is part of the overarching strategy of the ruling elite in Egypt,” a senior Israeli military official said on Monday, though he noted that the treaty is still not popular with much of the Egyptian public, the military government is “committed to that for many good reasons.” He spoke of an “alignment of interests, coupled with common enemies” like Al Qaeda and global jihadists that could change longstanding alliances in the region.

Another thing potentially bringing Israel and Gulf states together is their intensifying criticism of American foreign policy. When President Obama met in Riyadh with Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah, for example, he heard the same disquiet over the continuing talks on Iran’s nuclear program that General Dempsey heard on Monday in Jerusalem.

A Defense Department official, who like others agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, noted that “there’s a convergence of agreement between them, and in opposition to what we’re doing.”

Both Israeli and Saudi Arabian officials have expressed fears that any American rapprochement with Iran could harm their own interests in the region.

Close your eyes, and you’re not sure if it’s an Israeli or Saudi speaking,” said Daniel Levy, Middle East director at the European Council on Foreign Relations.

The dynamic puts the United States in the unusual position of trying to coax cooperation between adversaries by using their own opposition to American policy as bait — a tricky diplomatic maneuver at best, one Obama administration official acknowledged on Monday.

“Let’s just say I’m not sure this is the best way for us to get these guys to play on the same page,” he said. Then he added: “But hey, whatever works, works.”

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Good times are ahead for Sunni Arabs and Israelis.
 
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NYT: Converging Interests May Lead to Cooperation Between Israel and Persian Gulf States

JERUSALEM — Looking for a potential bright spot in the roiling upheaval of the Middle East, American and Israeli officials meeting in Jerusalem on Monday held out the hope of growing security cooperation between Israel and its Arab neighbors in the Persian Gulf.

That idea, basically unthinkable a few years ago, could be more plausible now because of widespread worry over Iran’s nuclear program, coupled with chaos in Syria and turmoil in Egypt. Even though Saudi Arabia and other gulf countries have long viewed Israel as the Arab world’s biggest adversary, the rise of threats they all share in common is creating a new urgency to find common ground, the officials said.

Emerging from meetings with his Israeli counterparts on Monday, Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that discussions included “an outreach to other partners who may not have been willing to be partners in the past.”

He added, “What I mean is the Gulf states in particular, who heretofore may not have been as open-minded to the potential for cooperation with Israel, in any way.” While General Dempsey did not go into specifics, other American military officials said that possibilities include intelligence-sharing, joint counterterrorism exercises and perhaps looking for how Israeli and Saudi troops could jointly work on the training of Syrian opposition fighters.

“World jihadists are not fighting only against Israel,” said Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz, chief of the Israeli Defense Forces, adding that it would behoove neighboring states to look for ways to combat common enemies.

No one is talking about scheduling peace conferences between Israel and the Gulf countries just yet. Despite a growing number of interests in common, the obstacles that would prevent a public embrace of Israel by Arab governments are all still in place.

Most notably, Arab states have long insisted on the resolution of the Palestinians’ dispute with Israel before any wider peace initiative could be taken up. And on Monday, the prospects of Israeli-Palestinian talks were so bleak that Secretary of State John Kerry made an unscheduled visit to Israel to try to salvage the process.

When asked about common goals between Israel and the Gulf, Yousef al-Otaiba, the United Arab Emirates ambassador to the United States, notably did not mention the word “Israel” in his response: “The U.S. and the regional allies cannot find a solution to Syria, stabilize Egypt and halt the Iranian threat without the other,” Mr. al-Otaiba said. “There is simply no way around working together to resolve these issues.”

Still, American officials note that since the Arab Spring uprisings began more than three years ago, Israel and the Gulf countries have increasingly been voicing similar concerns.

For instance, Israel, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates share comparable views on the rise and fall of Mohammed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. They all were far more comfortable with the government of President Hosni Mubarak, and were dismayed at what they viewed as an abandonment of Mr. Mubarak by the United States in the face of the initial Tahrir Square uprising. The Saudis encouraged the Egyptian military’s ouster of the Muslim Brotherhood from power last year, and the subsequent crackdown on its supporters, despite American diplomatic efforts to avert both moves. Israel, for its part, is satisfied to have the Egyptian military back at the country’s helm.

The Egyptian-Israeli “peace treaty and its architecture is part of the overarching strategy of the ruling elite in Egypt,” a senior Israeli military official said on Monday, though he noted that the treaty is still not popular with much of the Egyptian public, the military government is “committed to that for many good reasons.” He spoke of an “alignment of interests, coupled with common enemies” like Al Qaeda and global jihadists that could change longstanding alliances in the region.

Another thing potentially bringing Israel and Gulf states together is their intensifying criticism of American foreign policy. When President Obama met in Riyadh with Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah, for example, he heard the same disquiet over the continuing talks on Iran’s nuclear program that General Dempsey heard on Monday in Jerusalem.

A Defense Department official, who like others agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, noted that “there’s a convergence of agreement between them, and in opposition to what we’re doing.”

Both Israeli and Saudi Arabian officials have expressed fears that any American rapprochement with Iran could harm their own interests in the region.

Close your eyes, and you’re not sure if it’s an Israeli or Saudi speaking,” said Daniel Levy, Middle East director at the European Council on Foreign Relations.

The dynamic puts the United States in the unusual position of trying to coax cooperation between adversaries by using their own opposition to American policy as bait — a tricky diplomatic maneuver at best, one Obama administration official acknowledged on Monday.

“Let’s just say I’m not sure this is the best way for us to get these guys to play on the same page,” he said. Then he added: “But hey, whatever works, works.”

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Good times are ahead for Sunni Arabs and Israelis.

Cracking Iran's chest, has never been more imperative. :rofl:
 
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This stupid IDF Australian Jewish chief is hysterical. There are no 'jihadists' fighting Israel. In fact, nobody is fighting Israel, Israel is brutally occupying the Palestinians and committing violations against their rights on a daily basis. It's a nation run by Jewish extremists.

As for the article, I do see they have similar interest although I'm not sure it would lead to cooperation. That would say a lot about Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabians in general.
 
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The GCC's name would go down in infamy in terms of muslim history if they make the mistake of supporting israel against muslim iran

In another topic in the arab military forum the question was asked why have the arabs not won wars recently, its because of this kind of divsion, betrayal and dumbshittery, add to that shooting themselves in their own heads by not giving their people freedom and holding onto power
 
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They've got great bonds before Saudi kingdom foundation .....

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"I am the Sultan Abdul Aziz Bin Abdul Rahman Al Saud al-Faisal and I conceded and acknowledged a thousand times to Sir Percy Cox, delegate of Great Britain, that I have no objection to giving Palestine to the poor Jews or even to non-Jews, and I will never ever violate their [the UK] orders," read the note signed by King Abdul Aziz.
 
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