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Converging Interests May Lead to Cooperation Between Israel and Gulf States

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JERUSALEM — Looking for a potential bright spot in the roiling upheaval of the Middle East, American and Israeli officials meeting in Jerusalem on Monday held out the hope of growing security cooperation between Israel and its Arab neighbors in the Persian Gulf.

That idea, basically unthinkable a few years ago, could be more plausible now because of widespread worry over Iran’s nuclear program, coupled with chaos in Syria and turmoil in Egypt. Even though Saudi Arabia and other gulf countries have long viewed Israel as the Arab world’s biggest adversary, the rise of threats they all share in common is creating a new urgency to find common ground, the officials said.

Emerging from meetings with his Israeli counterparts on Monday, Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said that discussions included “an outreach to other partners who may not have been willing to be partners in the past.”

He added, “What I mean is the Gulf states in particular, who heretofore may not have been as open-minded to the potential for cooperation with Israel, in any way.” While General Dempsey did not go into specifics, other American military officials said that possibilities include intelligence-sharing, joint counterterrorism exercises and perhaps looking for how Israeli and Saudi troops could jointly work on the training of Syrian opposition fighters.

“World jihadists are not fighting only against Israel,” said Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz, chief of the Israeli Defense Forces, adding that it would behoove neighboring states to look for ways to combat common enemies.

No one is talking about scheduling peace conferences between Israel and the Gulf countries just yet. Despite a growing number of interests in common, the obstacles that would prevent a public embrace of Israel by Arab governments are all still in place.

Most notably, Arab states have long insisted on the resolution of the Palestinians’ dispute with Israel before any wider peace initiative could be taken up. And on Monday, the prospects of Israeli-Palestinian talks were so bleak that Secretary of State John Kerry made an unscheduled visit to Israel to try to salvage the process.

When asked about common goals between Israel and the Gulf, Yousef al-Otaiba, the United Arab Emirates ambassador to the United States, notably did not mention the word “Israel” in his response: “The U.S. and the regional allies cannot find a solution to Syria, stabilize Egypt and halt the Iranian threat without the other,” Mr. al-Otaiba said. “There is simply no way around working together to resolve these issues.”

Still, American officials note that since the Arab Spring uprisings began more than three years ago, Israel and the Gulf countries have increasingly been voicing similar concerns.

For instance, Israel, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates share comparable views on the rise and fall of Mohammed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. They all were far more comfortable with the government of President Hosni Mubarak, and were dismayed at what they viewed as an abandonment of Mr. Mubarak by the United States in the face of the initial Tahrir Square uprising. The Saudis encouraged the Egyptian military’s ouster of the Muslim Brotherhood from power last year, and the subsequent crackdown on its supporters, despite American diplomatic efforts to avert both moves. Israel, for its part, is satisfied to have the Egyptian military back at the country’s helm.

The Egyptian-Israeli “peace treaty and its architecture is part of the overarching strategy of the ruling elite in Egypt,” a senior Israeli military official said on Monday, though he noted that the treaty is still not popular with much of the Egyptian public, the military government is “committed to that for many good reasons.” He spoke of an “alignment of interests, coupled with common enemies” like Al Qaeda and global jihadists that could change longstanding alliances in the region.

Another thing potentially bringing Israel and Gulf states together is their intensifying criticism of American foreign policy. When President Obama met in Riyadh with Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah, for example, he heard the same disquiet over the continuing talks on Iran’s nuclear program that General Dempsey heard on Monday in Jerusalem.

A Defense Department official, who like others agreed to speak on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly, noted that “there’s a convergence of agreement between them, and in opposition to what we’re doing.”

Both Israeli and Saudi Arabian officials have expressed fears that any American rapprochement with Iran could harm their own interests in the region.

“Close your eyes, and you’re not sure if it’s an Israeli or Saudi speaking,” said Daniel Levy, Middle East director at the European Council on Foreign Relations.

The dynamic puts the United States in the unusual position of trying to coax cooperation between adversaries by using their own opposition to American policy as bait — a tricky diplomatic maneuver at best, one Obama administration official acknowledged on Monday.

“Let’s just say I’m not sure this is the best way for us to get these guys to play on the same page,” he said. Then he added: “But hey, whatever works, works.
 
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KSA is not a so-called "Gulf State" which are just Arab countries located on the Eastern Arabian Peninsula and who were part of the ancient native Dilmun Civilization and ancient Eastern Arabia. Only about 200.000 Saudi Arabians even speak a Khaleeji dialect. All live in the coastal areas of the Eastern Province.

Dilmun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Eastern Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gulf Arabic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyway this news is complete nonsense.

Qatar is the only GCC member state that has any ties with Israel and we know where they stand.

 
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I believe Jews and Arab Sunnis should create a military organization similar to NATO, to counter the Shia in the region. The Palestinians will be placed on the chopping block to create this unholy alliance, Arabs will have to accede to Israeli demands. But it will be worth the cost.
 
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I believe Jews and Arab Sunnis should create a military organization similar to NATO, to counter the Shia in the region. The Palestinians will be placed on the chopping block to create this unholy alliance, Arabs will have to accede to Israeli demands. But it will be worth the cost.

You do realize that 90% of all Palestinians are Sunni Arabs and the remaining 10% are Christian Arabs and more often than not Arab nationalists?

Arab nationalism has been instrumental for the Christian Arabs and always hugely popular because they wanted to distinguish themselves from the Arab Muslims and focus on common blood, culture, language, history etc. as a uniting force irrespective of religion rather than just an Islamic viewpoint that do not care about all that. To feel included.

This is why many of the modern early Arab nationalists (Arab nationalism always existed since Arabs are one of the most proud people and never hided that - just look at in hindsight the discriminatory policies that were employed for a short time by the Umayyad Caliphate and Empire) have been Christians.

Why should we counter Shia in the region? You have always been a tiny and largely neglected minority. What is there to combat? In any case Sunni and Shia Arabs do not have any problems in the GCC or anywhere on the Arabian Peninsula. Take a look at Yemen. Nearly no sectarian incidents. Only the Houthi's and Al-Qaeda are creating problems but none of the people recognize those groups as more than terrorist groups.

No problems in Oman either or the small GCC states. Let alone KSA.

In any case even in Iraq and Syria it's just a tiny minority and it's mostly based on politics and power. Nothing more. Before the invasion of Iraq in 2003 there were no such problems in the region and before your Mullah's gained power in 1979 and throw the officer-son out.
 
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There already is some de facto alliance but its quiet. Its documented that Prince Bandar, the former intelligence chief, went to Tel Aviv at one point.
 
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Any arab or muslim state that has relations with Israel will go down in infamy
 
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There already is some de facto alliance but its quiet. Its documented that Prince Bandar, the former intelligence chief, went to Tel Aviv at one point.

Documented where? Did PISSTV document it?

On the other hand this Indian look-alike (rumored to be an off-spring of an Indian - no kidding) has officially met with Israel and have had ties with it. As has Turkey. The latter very good ties economically.

But for some strange reason certain users are obsessed about KSA, Egypt, UAE, Jordan and a few other Sunni Arab Muslim countries of having ties to Israel.




PDF at it's best. That's why I love it.
 
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What's terrible about that letter? He's urging Israel to restore peace talks for a two state solution.
 
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The Qatari emir's great grandmother was indian
Really? You got any source for that or just a rumor you have heard as well? I heard rumors that it's from his father's side.
There is apparently an branch of the Al-Thani family somewhere in Indian that have intermarried with locals and some of them went back to Qatar. Relations with the Arabian Peninsula and Indian are after all 5000 years old.

Trade and cultural links between ancient Arabia and ancient India date back to third millennium BC.[1]

Heptulla, Nejma. Indo-West Asian relations: the Nehru era. Allied Publishers, 1991.ISBN 9788170233404.
 
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It seems those Saudi bediouns didn't read the article properly so they refute when its not even reported from PressTV to begin with. Read slowly and see the difference. What do you want? Only Al Jewrabiya to consider as legitimate source?

They share common interest, both wanted MB out and supported El Sissi. Both wanted takfiris (ISIS, Islamist, AQ etc) out of Syria to establish a secular state for their interest (i.e trusted, remain on thrones or no conflict beyond border etc) and like that....
 
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