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Partha S Ghosh
  • Published at 12:00 am October 22nd, 2019
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A dangerous partnership? REUTERS

Under Modi, the Hindu diaspora is experiencing a globalization of Hindutva

The way the “Howdy, Modi” extravaganza was planned, executed, and marketed, one is bound to wonder, is a Hindu ummah under construction. At first glance, this characterization appears comical given that Islam, with which the idea of an ummah is associated, is Hindutva’s bête noire. Hindu ummah ought to be a contradiction in terms. Hinduism is doctrinally insular. In most cases its rituals and meditational practices are personal. Unlike Christianity or Islam, it is also non-congregational.

Ummah is an Arabic word. It means people or community. Its political connotation, however, is loaded. It conceives of a community of “believers,” meaning Muslims, who are spread across nations. They are expected to coalesce around the goal of propagating Islam, as doctrinally sanctioned in Islamic theology. Being a proselytizing religion, Islam also has the notion of Dawat-e-Islam. It circuitously presupposes the superiority of Islam and, therefore, asks non-Muslims to join it.

Hinduism, on the other hand, doctrinally discourages conversion. The only proselytizing effort attempted within Hinduism was in the late nineteenth century by the Arya Samaj when it introduced the ritual of shuddhi, through which a converted Muslim or any non-Hindu could become a Hindu. But it was largely a non-starter. Shuddhi should also not be confused with the present ghar wapsi (return to the Hindu fold), which is nothing but political hooliganism by another name.

And yet, the possibility of a Hindu ummah is greater today than it ever was before: Political Hinduism is active today in about 40 countries of the world. In Western democracies, say, the United States, its visibility is causing ripples in its domestic politics and also among the other religionists. This could hardly have happened overnight. How, then, can one conceptualize its rise?

Some questions, therefore, are inescapable: What is the origin of the Hindu ummah, how has it evolved, what forces drive it, and what will its international fall-out be? Does it prove Samuel Huntington right who talked about the “clash of civilizations” in the post-Cold War world?

Before these questions are answered, some conceptual clarity is in order. One can do so by juxtaposing the concepts of Islamic and Hindu ummah. Two important differences between them immediately become clear. One, unlike Islamic ummah, the Hindu ummah is not doctrinally sanctioned (as I noted above). And two, unlike the former, the Hindu ummah is remote controlled, from India.

It is alleged that Saudi Arabia too remote controls the Islamic ummah. Much as the Saudis would love for this to be true, it is not. At the macro level, Muslim countries barely show any unity, least of all under the leadership of Saudi Arabia. Leave alone the Shias, who constitute about 15% of the world’s 1.8 billion Muslims, even Sunnis are not necessarily pro-Saudi. And most Sunni countries watch with suspicion the unwelcome Wahhabi influence in their societies.

The 57-member Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is barely taken seriously as an Islamic front, and even less so as a cohesive cluster in the classical ummah sense. If the latter has failed at the inter-governmental level, it has not fared any better at the societal level. Islamic ummah seems to be successful only in a form of “Islamic terrorism” which is cross-national and dreams of a return to the glory of the Caliphate. But even “Islamic terrorism” has multiple power centres.

From the above discussion it is clear that Islamic ummah is there only in name. Yet we refer to it because we believe in some imaginary Islamic solidarity, a glue that brings it together. In the case of the Hindu ummah, Hindutva serves as this glue. Like the Islamic ummah, it too is not officially sponsored. But it is much more real than the Islamic ummah because it is semi-officially sponsored. The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), as its sponsor, is now both the brain and brawn of India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which continues to expand its influence across the country.

To make the formulation clearer, let the entire period of independent India be divided into two phases: When BJP was not in power and when it was in power. We can see that the seeds of a Hindu ummah were sown in the first phase itself. It was as early as 1947, the year India gained independence, that emigrant RSS members opened branches in Kenya and Myanmar. But these efforts were rudimentary and probably not overseen by RSS headquarters in Nagpur.

The first clear guidance in this regard came in 1953 when RSS supremo Madhav Sadashiv Golwalkar exhorted RSS pracharaks (workers) to launch a world mission to “propagate” the Hindu notion of the world as “a single family” (emphasis added). In this call, one can see the laying-in ceremony of the Hindu ummah.

Soon, efforts were undertaken to enter Hindu communities in Nepal and Kenya, followed by similar activities in the UK. With the establishment, in 1964, of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), a militant Hindu affiliate of the RSS, the United States started appearing more prominently on the RSS radar. In 1970, VHP began its operation there. With the systematic push for Hindutva in the early eighties through campaigns such as the Ekatmata Yagna (connotation: Hindus to think themselves as one soul), this overseas connection grew rapidly. In the beginning, it was difficult to distinguish between Indian-Americans, in general, and Hindu-Americans, in particular. But with the growing dominance of the BJP as a political force in India, this distinction has increasingly become clear.

This organized thrust for Hindutva that we notice in several parts of the world today is what makes a Hindu ummah a real possibility. At present, the RSS is active in at least 40 countries through organizations like the Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh (HSS), the Overseas Friends of the BJP (OFBJP), the Hindu Education Foundation (HEF), the Vedic Foundation, the Hindu American Foundation, etc. With 15% of the world population being Hindu (1,100,000,000 people), it is an important political development with inevitable consequences for international relations.

It is not possible to do justice to the entire process of globalization of Hindutva in a single essay, but an American case study can throw some light on some of the critical issues involved. In any case, when one talks about the Hindu diaspora, one generally means Hindus settled in the West, and that too primarily in the United States. Modi’s two high-profile visits to America leave little doubt about this hypothesis.

America’s Hindu connection is old. In the early days, it was not the Hindu immigrants but Hindu philosophy that attracted many eminent Americans. In the writings of the transcendental philosopher Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-82) one can see the influence of the notion of karma. Helena Blavatsky’s Theosophical Society (1875) had much to borrow from Hindu mystic philosophy. But it was Swami Vivekananda who hugely triggered American interest in Hinduism.

Vivekananda’s electrifying speech at Chicago’s World Parliament of Religions in 1893 impacted Americans so much that many joined his Vedanta Societies. In the subsequent years, the writings of Rabindranath Tagore too had a massive appeal because of his universalistic vision, which were themselves largely drawn from modern Hinduism.

The life and teachings of Mahatma Gandhi injected into American consciousness a profound vision about Hindu social ethics. By his spiritually-inspired political thought, encapsulated in his vision of non-violence as a weapon against oppression, Gandhi profoundly influenced at least three eminent Americans: the civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr, the Christian pacifist and activist AJ Muste, and the folksinger and activist Joan Baez.

The current phase, however, is totally different. It is no longer the philosophy of Hinduism but Hindutva, or political Hinduism, which has assumed centre-stage. This variety of Hinduism appeals little to Americans. Indeed, it is not meant to register their support. It aims at influencing American Hindus so as to make them serve as outstation cheerleaders of a particular political party in India that believes in Hindu nationalism.

It is common knowledge that America being a nation of immigrants will have all kinds of diaspora. Their respective mother countries do use them as lobbies to influence the American government in their favour. But the Hindu diaspora is a sectarian diaspora, not an Indian diaspora. As such, it contains a potential irritant for Indo-US relations, notwithstanding President Donald Trump’s full-throated endorsement of Modi in the “Howdy, Modi” event.

Representing a tiny number of Hindus in predominantly Christian America, it can expose the American Hindus to the distrust of the Christian majority. In response to the anti-Christian violence in India in the recent past, perpetrated by the same forces that dominate the Hindu diaspora in America, some American Christian organizations had called on the US State Department to take action. The fact that the latter almost routinely rebukes India for its shoddy record in terms of religious freedom must be factored in to understand this connection.

The other problem is more deep-seated and concerns the diminished influence of the Indian expatriate lobby in America. This lobby had played an important role during the signing of the Indo-US civil nuclear deal in 2008. It may be recalled that when the importance of the Indian diaspora in America was first highlighted by Rajiv Gandhi by coining the word “brain bank” in place of “brain drain,” his reference was to the “Indian diaspora” and not the “Hindu diaspora.” A recent study suggests that of the 966 Indian American organizations, 481 are religious organizations, and of these, 60% are Hindu.

It cannot just be coincidence, then, that with the coming to power of Narendra Modi in 2014, Muslim Indian-Americans have largely been expelled from the community. The Indian Embassy in Washington no longer organizes an annual Eid reception. Both the massive pro-Modi events, first in Madison Square Garden in New York on September 28, 2014 and more recently in Houston (Texas) on September 23, 2019 were almost entirely dominated by rich Hindus (some Muslims Bohras attended the events as they support Modi in India, but they are an exception within the broader Indian Muslim community).

An ironic sidelight to the event was that although the Indian-origin Muslim comedian Hasan Minhaj was denied entry to the event because of the digs he took at Modi on his Netflix show Patriot Act, he was featured in the event. Standing outside the stadium, Minhaj watched a livestream of the show and was amused to see his own face up on the jumbotron as one of the Indian-Americans being honoured for their contribution to the arts.

Not all Hindus in America have turned into Hindutva enthusiasts but those who have are more vocal and organized. Pieter Friedrich, a well-known American specialist on South Asian communities says: “Those who oppose Modi often follow elections in India with great interest, and maybe even talk or write about them, but do little beyond. Those who support Modi, host or organize rallies, training camps, and campaign events. While one side alleges that Modi staged a pogrom, thousands of volunteers from the other side return to India to physically canvass for his political party.”

Let all Hindu-Americans, particularly the types that throng “Howdy, Modi” events, be reminded that they have sworn to the US government on becoming American citizens that: “I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America.”

They may also be reminded that America has a violent history of hostility against new immigrants; for example, against the Japanese-Americans during the WWII. Only a decade prior to that, the Americans had chanted against “the menacing spread of Hindus.” It is elementary international politics that there is no permanent friend or foe; today’s friend India can be tomorrow’s enemy India.

Of all the people, Trump is probably least dependable in this regard. Today he may go to the ridiculous extent of calling Modi “the father of India” but tomorrow that same Trump may say with equal aplomb “Imran is the father of Pakistan” and hence, “Modi and Imran are cousins.” He will then step in with his masterly real-estate business skills to divide the real estate called Kashmir between the two cousins.

Anyone who has even an elementary understanding of how the US presidential election works would have noted that it was Trump more than Modi who played his cards better. By sharing the podium with Modi in front of enthralled Modi fans, Trump was trying to poach into the pro-Democratic Indian-American community to further his 2020 re-election prospects.

Texas has 38 votes in the Electoral College, next only to California, which has 55. Trump cannot afford to lose Texas, which, though traditionally Republican, has of late shown a tendency of drifting towards the Democrats. In a close contest, the Hindu-American support will matter.

Let me conclude this essay with a lament. As soon as one becomes a religious fanatic, he stops distinguishing between right and wrong because that faculty is no longer in his possession. It is true of all fanatics, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, or Buddhist. That is the risk in the expansion of the Hindu ummah, as was the case with the Islamic ummah, which degenerated into terrorism.

It is chilling to note the expanded space religion is occupying these days in our lives across all continents. Even our social relationships are facing a crisis of confidence because of the phenomenon. Although most social media posts are garbage, some are quotable. Let me recall one: “Want to convert a friend into an enemy? Discuss politics. If that fails, try religion.”

Postscript

This year, India is celebrating the 150th anniversary of Mahatma Gandhi with all enthusiasm. It would be instructive to know what the Mahatma had to say about the Indian diaspora. Though it was smaller then, limited almost entirely to Ceylon, Malay and the West Indies, where Indian indentured labourers had settled, his thoughts remain relevant today.

Addressing a congregation of Indian Tamils in Colombo on November 25, 1927, Gandhi said: “Since you are earning your bread in this beautiful island, I would ask you to live as sugar lives in milk. Even as a cup of milk which is full up to the brim does not overflow when sugar is gently added to it, the sugar accommodating itself in the milk and enriching its taste, in the same way, I would like you to live in this island so as not to become interlopers and so as to enrich the life of the people in whose midst you may be living.”

Partha S Ghosh is a Senior Fellow, Institute of Social Sciences, New Delhi, and formerly, ICSSR National Fellow, and Professor of South Asian Studies at JNU. E-mail: parsarg@gmail.com.
 
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Non-Muslims should not talk about Islamic religious concepts for this reason.

Yet the the irony is not lost here, with Hindus trying to create a bastardized union and Radical right doing the same, all with the blessings of Israel which did the same for Zionist Jews.

All this while Muslims are chastising other Muslims for talking about Ummah, even here on PDF.
 
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Partha S Ghosh
  • Published at 12:00 am October 22nd, 2019
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A dangerous partnership? REUTERS

Under Modi, the Hindu diaspora is experiencing a globalization of Hindutva

The way the “Howdy, Modi” extravaganza was planned, executed, and marketed, one is bound to wonder, is a Hindu ummah under construction. At first glance, this characterization appears comical given that Islam, with which the idea of an ummah is associated, is Hindutva’s bête noire. Hindu ummah ought to be a contradiction in terms. Hinduism is doctrinally insular. In most cases its rituals and meditational practices are personal. Unlike Christianity or Islam, it is also non-congregational.

Ummah is an Arabic word. It means people or community. Its political connotation, however, is loaded. It conceives of a community of “believers,” meaning Muslims, who are spread across nations. They are expected to coalesce around the goal of propagating Islam, as doctrinally sanctioned in Islamic theology. Being a proselytizing religion, Islam also has the notion of Dawat-e-Islam. It circuitously presupposes the superiority of Islam and, therefore, asks non-Muslims to join it.

Hinduism, on the other hand, doctrinally discourages conversion. The only proselytizing effort attempted within Hinduism was in the late nineteenth century by the Arya Samaj when it introduced the ritual of shuddhi, through which a converted Muslim or any non-Hindu could become a Hindu. But it was largely a non-starter. Shuddhi should also not be confused with the present ghar wapsi (return to the Hindu fold), which is nothing but political hooliganism by another name.

And yet, the possibility of a Hindu ummah is greater today than it ever was before: Political Hinduism is active today in about 40 countries of the world. In Western democracies, say, the United States, its visibility is causing ripples in its domestic politics and also among the other religionists. This could hardly have happened overnight. How, then, can one conceptualize its rise?

Some questions, therefore, are inescapable: What is the origin of the Hindu ummah, how has it evolved, what forces drive it, and what will its international fall-out be? Does it prove Samuel Huntington right who talked about the “clash of civilizations” in the post-Cold War world?

Before these questions are answered, some conceptual clarity is in order. One can do so by juxtaposing the concepts of Islamic and Hindu ummah. Two important differences between them immediately become clear. One, unlike Islamic ummah, the Hindu ummah is not doctrinally sanctioned (as I noted above). And two, unlike the former, the Hindu ummah is remote controlled, from India.

It is alleged that Saudi Arabia too remote controls the Islamic ummah. Much as the Saudis would love for this to be true, it is not. At the macro level, Muslim countries barely show any unity, least of all under the leadership of Saudi Arabia. Leave alone the Shias, who constitute about 15% of the world’s 1.8 billion Muslims, even Sunnis are not necessarily pro-Saudi. And most Sunni countries watch with suspicion the unwelcome Wahhabi influence in their societies.

The 57-member Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) is barely taken seriously as an Islamic front, and even less so as a cohesive cluster in the classical ummah sense. If the latter has failed at the inter-governmental level, it has not fared any better at the societal level. Islamic ummah seems to be successful only in a form of “Islamic terrorism” which is cross-national and dreams of a return to the glory of the Caliphate. But even “Islamic terrorism” has multiple power centres.

From the above discussion it is clear that Islamic ummah is there only in name. Yet we refer to it because we believe in some imaginary Islamic solidarity, a glue that brings it together. In the case of the Hindu ummah, Hindutva serves as this glue. Like the Islamic ummah, it too is not officially sponsored. But it is much more real than the Islamic ummah because it is semi-officially sponsored. The Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), as its sponsor, is now both the brain and brawn of India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which continues to expand its influence across the country.

To make the formulation clearer, let the entire period of independent India be divided into two phases: When BJP was not in power and when it was in power. We can see that the seeds of a Hindu ummah were sown in the first phase itself. It was as early as 1947, the year India gained independence, that emigrant RSS members opened branches in Kenya and Myanmar. But these efforts were rudimentary and probably not overseen by RSS headquarters in Nagpur.

The first clear guidance in this regard came in 1953 when RSS supremo Madhav Sadashiv Golwalkar exhorted RSS pracharaks (workers) to launch a world mission to “propagate” the Hindu notion of the world as “a single family” (emphasis added). In this call, one can see the laying-in ceremony of the Hindu ummah.

Soon, efforts were undertaken to enter Hindu communities in Nepal and Kenya, followed by similar activities in the UK. With the establishment, in 1964, of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), a militant Hindu affiliate of the RSS, the United States started appearing more prominently on the RSS radar. In 1970, VHP began its operation there. With the systematic push for Hindutva in the early eighties through campaigns such as the Ekatmata Yagna (connotation: Hindus to think themselves as one soul), this overseas connection grew rapidly. In the beginning, it was difficult to distinguish between Indian-Americans, in general, and Hindu-Americans, in particular. But with the growing dominance of the BJP as a political force in India, this distinction has increasingly become clear.

This organized thrust for Hindutva that we notice in several parts of the world today is what makes a Hindu ummah a real possibility. At present, the RSS is active in at least 40 countries through organizations like the Hindu Swayamsevak Sangh (HSS), the Overseas Friends of the BJP (OFBJP), the Hindu Education Foundation (HEF), the Vedic Foundation, the Hindu American Foundation, etc. With 15% of the world population being Hindu (1,100,000,000 people), it is an important political development with inevitable consequences for international relations.

It is not possible to do justice to the entire process of globalization of Hindutva in a single essay, but an American case study can throw some light on some of the critical issues involved. In any case, when one talks about the Hindu diaspora, one generally means Hindus settled in the West, and that too primarily in the United States. Modi’s two high-profile visits to America leave little doubt about this hypothesis.

America’s Hindu connection is old. In the early days, it was not the Hindu immigrants but Hindu philosophy that attracted many eminent Americans. In the writings of the transcendental philosopher Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-82) one can see the influence of the notion of karma. Helena Blavatsky’s Theosophical Society (1875) had much to borrow from Hindu mystic philosophy. But it was Swami Vivekananda who hugely triggered American interest in Hinduism.

Vivekananda’s electrifying speech at Chicago’s World Parliament of Religions in 1893 impacted Americans so much that many joined his Vedanta Societies. In the subsequent years, the writings of Rabindranath Tagore too had a massive appeal because of his universalistic vision, which were themselves largely drawn from modern Hinduism.

The life and teachings of Mahatma Gandhi injected into American consciousness a profound vision about Hindu social ethics. By his spiritually-inspired political thought, encapsulated in his vision of non-violence as a weapon against oppression, Gandhi profoundly influenced at least three eminent Americans: the civil rights leader Martin Luther King, Jr, the Christian pacifist and activist AJ Muste, and the folksinger and activist Joan Baez.

The current phase, however, is totally different. It is no longer the philosophy of Hinduism but Hindutva, or political Hinduism, which has assumed centre-stage. This variety of Hinduism appeals little to Americans. Indeed, it is not meant to register their support. It aims at influencing American Hindus so as to make them serve as outstation cheerleaders of a particular political party in India that believes in Hindu nationalism.

It is common knowledge that America being a nation of immigrants will have all kinds of diaspora. Their respective mother countries do use them as lobbies to influence the American government in their favour. But the Hindu diaspora is a sectarian diaspora, not an Indian diaspora. As such, it contains a potential irritant for Indo-US relations, notwithstanding President Donald Trump’s full-throated endorsement of Modi in the “Howdy, Modi” event.

Representing a tiny number of Hindus in predominantly Christian America, it can expose the American Hindus to the distrust of the Christian majority. In response to the anti-Christian violence in India in the recent past, perpetrated by the same forces that dominate the Hindu diaspora in America, some American Christian organizations had called on the US State Department to take action. The fact that the latter almost routinely rebukes India for its shoddy record in terms of religious freedom must be factored in to understand this connection.

The other problem is more deep-seated and concerns the diminished influence of the Indian expatriate lobby in America. This lobby had played an important role during the signing of the Indo-US civil nuclear deal in 2008. It may be recalled that when the importance of the Indian diaspora in America was first highlighted by Rajiv Gandhi by coining the word “brain bank” in place of “brain drain,” his reference was to the “Indian diaspora” and not the “Hindu diaspora.” A recent study suggests that of the 966 Indian American organizations, 481 are religious organizations, and of these, 60% are Hindu.

It cannot just be coincidence, then, that with the coming to power of Narendra Modi in 2014, Muslim Indian-Americans have largely been expelled from the community. The Indian Embassy in Washington no longer organizes an annual Eid reception. Both the massive pro-Modi events, first in Madison Square Garden in New York on September 28, 2014 and more recently in Houston (Texas) on September 23, 2019 were almost entirely dominated by rich Hindus (some Muslims Bohras attended the events as they support Modi in India, but they are an exception within the broader Indian Muslim community).

An ironic sidelight to the event was that although the Indian-origin Muslim comedian Hasan Minhaj was denied entry to the event because of the digs he took at Modi on his Netflix show Patriot Act, he was featured in the event. Standing outside the stadium, Minhaj watched a livestream of the show and was amused to see his own face up on the jumbotron as one of the Indian-Americans being honoured for their contribution to the arts.

Not all Hindus in America have turned into Hindutva enthusiasts but those who have are more vocal and organized. Pieter Friedrich, a well-known American specialist on South Asian communities says: “Those who oppose Modi often follow elections in India with great interest, and maybe even talk or write about them, but do little beyond. Those who support Modi, host or organize rallies, training camps, and campaign events. While one side alleges that Modi staged a pogrom, thousands of volunteers from the other side return to India to physically canvass for his political party.”

Let all Hindu-Americans, particularly the types that throng “Howdy, Modi” events, be reminded that they have sworn to the US government on becoming American citizens that: “I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America.”

They may also be reminded that America has a violent history of hostility against new immigrants; for example, against the Japanese-Americans during the WWII. Only a decade prior to that, the Americans had chanted against “the menacing spread of Hindus.” It is elementary international politics that there is no permanent friend or foe; today’s friend India can be tomorrow’s enemy India.

Of all the people, Trump is probably least dependable in this regard. Today he may go to the ridiculous extent of calling Modi “the father of India” but tomorrow that same Trump may say with equal aplomb “Imran is the father of Pakistan” and hence, “Modi and Imran are cousins.” He will then step in with his masterly real-estate business skills to divide the real estate called Kashmir between the two cousins.

Anyone who has even an elementary understanding of how the US presidential election works would have noted that it was Trump more than Modi who played his cards better. By sharing the podium with Modi in front of enthralled Modi fans, Trump was trying to poach into the pro-Democratic Indian-American community to further his 2020 re-election prospects.

Texas has 38 votes in the Electoral College, next only to California, which has 55. Trump cannot afford to lose Texas, which, though traditionally Republican, has of late shown a tendency of drifting towards the Democrats. In a close contest, the Hindu-American support will matter.

Let me conclude this essay with a lament. As soon as one becomes a religious fanatic, he stops distinguishing between right and wrong because that faculty is no longer in his possession. It is true of all fanatics, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, or Buddhist. That is the risk in the expansion of the Hindu ummah, as was the case with the Islamic ummah, which degenerated into terrorism.

It is chilling to note the expanded space religion is occupying these days in our lives across all continents. Even our social relationships are facing a crisis of confidence because of the phenomenon. Although most social media posts are garbage, some are quotable. Let me recall one: “Want to convert a friend into an enemy? Discuss politics. If that fails, try religion.”

Postscript

This year, India is celebrating the 150th anniversary of Mahatma Gandhi with all enthusiasm. It would be instructive to know what the Mahatma had to say about the Indian diaspora. Though it was smaller then, limited almost entirely to Ceylon, Malay and the West Indies, where Indian indentured labourers had settled, his thoughts remain relevant today.

Addressing a congregation of Indian Tamils in Colombo on November 25, 1927, Gandhi said: “Since you are earning your bread in this beautiful island, I would ask you to live as sugar lives in milk. Even as a cup of milk which is full up to the brim does not overflow when sugar is gently added to it, the sugar accommodating itself in the milk and enriching its taste, in the same way, I would like you to live in this island so as not to become interlopers and so as to enrich the life of the people in whose midst you may be living.”

Partha S Ghosh is a Senior Fellow, Institute of Social Sciences, New Delhi, and formerly, ICSSR National Fellow, and Professor of South Asian Studies at JNU. E-mail: parsarg@gmail.com.
Does Hindus exist in all ethnicities??
No they are only found in a country called India. How can there be an ummah
 
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Disagree all you want but Hindu Ummah is stronger than Muslim Ummah.

Not fair comparison, majority of hindus are gangu telis and basically same people. See what so called hindus of NE India think about gangu hindu invaders.
 
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Does Hindus exist in all ethnicities??
No they are only found in a country called India. How can there be an ummah
Not fair comparison, majority of hindus are gangu telis and basically same people. See what so called hindus of NE India think about gangu hindu invaders.

Well, there is a Nepal which is Hindu majority and couple of other countries with sizeable Hindu population like Fiji, Mauritius etc. But that's not the point here.

Point is, most Hindu communities(1 billion people) no matter how much they differ from each are still under the banner of one country - India.

Imagine, instead of India there were two and half dozen different Hindu majority countries constantly at each others' throat. At that time, we could have said that there is no unity among Hindus.
 
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Well, there is a Nepal which is Hindu majority and couple of other countries with sizeable Hindu population like Fiji, Mauritius etc. But that's not the point here.

Point is, most Hindu communities(1 billion people) no matter how much they differ from each are still under the banner of one country - India.

Imagine, instead of India there were two and half dozen different Hindu majority countries constantly at each others' throat. At that time, we could have said that there is no unity among Hindus.

You are right. On certain key issues, Hindus are far more united than Muslims.
 
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This guy seems to be on board!

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https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2...offering-land-12-lakh-want-e-citizenship.html

Controversial godman Swami Nithyananda may be on the run, but that has not stopped the seemingly endless flow of his discourses and bewildering statements.

A week ago, news went viral of Nithyananda buying an island to form nation called 'Kailaasa' off the coast of Ecuador. The government in Ecuador issued a statement denying that it had given land for Kailaasa.

Not surprisingly, Nithyananda has released updates on the Kailaasa project. On Monday, his official Facebook handle claimed, "Some governments have officially approached us and invited us to have Kailaasa settlement in their place".

In the rambling and seemingly disjointed post, which has been titled as "powerful cognitions" from his satsang, Nithyananda claims "We will start working with them [governments]". Nithyananda's statement claims that with the blessings of the gods and goddesses, "We will have not only space, but place for Kailaasa! Because the governments themselves have approached us". Intriguingly, in the statement, the new nation is called both Kailasha and Kailaasa!

Nithyananda claims that "suddenly in the last few days, social media has started talking" about Kailaasa and were not talking about the "lies and rumours" that are being spread. Providing numbers, Nithyananda claimed "8 lakh people are visiting the Kailaasa website per day, 1 lakh were becoming members per day and 12 lakh people were applying for e-citizenship".

Providing details about his new nation, Nithyananda writes, "We are the only nation with no tax, completely run on voluntary contribution". Nithyananda adds Kailaasa also does not have an army. "We only pray to Param Shiva. Param Shiva and Mahakala Bhairava protect us. This is the only protection we have,” Nithyananda writes.


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Continuing to bolster his claims of being Param Shiva, the ultimate manifestation of lord Shiva, Nithyananda declares he was "always radiating Param Shiva". Nithyananda boasts that even those who are attacking and abusing him know deep inside them, "Swamiji has powers; Param Shiva is real. He has incarnated as Swamiji." An undated video went viral last week that shows Nithyananda claiming he is Param Shiva and no "stupid court" could touch him.

Nithyananda began the statement by telling his followers that they can "become Param Shiva". "The space, state and being of Param Shiva can manifest in you," Nithyananda declared.

In the statement, Nithyananda alluded to his decision to leave India in the wake of criminal cases against him in Gujarat. Nithyananda wrote, "These attackers may have stopped me from being physically available to people, but they are not able to stop me manifesting powers."
 
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The Buddhist/Atheist Communist China and Hindu India seemed to be proven future Gog and Magog / Yajuj and Majuj. All the people of Book should unite under one umbrella of Eesaa/Jesus (PBUH) to defeat this common enemy to save human civilization.
 
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The Buddhist/Atheist China and Hindu India seemed to be proven future Gog and Magog / Yajuj and Majuj. All the people of Book should unite under one umbrella of Eesaa/Jesus (PBUH) to defeat this common enemy to save human civilization.
Very well said. But since you mentioned China, I am afraid that Pakistanis will start beating you :).
 
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Does Hindus exist in all ethnicities??
No they are only found in a country called India. How can there be an ummah

They can be found in NYC, New Jersey, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, Chicago, Silicon Valley, UK and many many other places. Because of the Hindu diaspora in these places, RSS has been quite successful in recruiting extremist adherents for their cause.

However I believe this phenomenon - in spite of RSS hopes, is temporary. The kids will become Americanized and will integrate to the American mainstream.

Sitting in the US, no native-born US kid gives a flying eff about what is happening in Bangladesh, India or Pakistan. Just not in their radar...
 
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