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Combating Secular Extremism

Who are the "Islamic extremists" as per the correct dictionary definition of extremism?


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secularism is blatant kufr
No. The convoluted rubbish you peddle is "Kufr" and I bet your a*ss is ensconced in UK or America. Are you? Yes/No?

Or are you going to avoid answering that thus indirectly confirmy my hunch.
 
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Sir Allama Iqbal on Turkish secularism ...


“The religious doctors of Islam in Egypt and India, as far as I know, have not yet expressed themselves on this point. Personally, I find the Turkish view is perfectly sound.”

“The republican form of government is not only thoroughly consistent with the spirit of Islam, but has also become a necessity in view of the new forces that were set free in the world of Islam.”

“Such is the attitude of the modern Turk, inspired as he is by the realities of experience, and not by the scholastic reasoning of jurists who lived and thought under different conditions of life. To my mind these arguments, if rightly appreciated, indicate the birth of an International ideal, which forming the very essence of Islam, has been hitherto overshadowed or rather displaced
by Arabian Imperialism of the earlier centuries in Islam.”

Please take the time to read Sir Allama Iqbals:-

"Reconstruction of Religious thought in Islam"
> http://www.allamaiqbal.com/works/prose/english/reconstruction/

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With the greatest respect that was a mistake. Read Imran Hosein on this subject.

I find it interesting that Allama's Persian and Urdu works are so different to his English works.

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Secularism is the principle of the separation of government institutions and persons mandated to represent the state from religious institutions and religious dignitaries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism

also a picture illustration below

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But does that mean that Divine Law is not upheld in that state?
 
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The thing with secularism is that it declares the state as sovereign not God. As a result it allows you to make things halal that Allah made haram. Once you do this you have committed shirk which is the only thing that Allah will never forgive.
He explains it better.
 
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No. The convoluted rubbish you peddle is "Kufr" and I bet your a*ss is ensconced in UK or America. Are you? Yes/No?

Or are you going to avoid answering that thus indirectly confirmy my hunch.

Why do you always bring up residence in the West? Its a strawman argument.

I want to ask the major question. How many people have liberals in Pakistan slaughtered to make their point. The fact is none. We are labelled as anti muslim, enemies of Islam and secular terrorists (for what reason god knows when no liberal has taken a single life)... I strongly want to see Islam succeed in Pakistan and thus I vouch for secularism. Secularism is a system that is perfectly compatible with Islam.

It will take decades for people to accept the liberal leanings of our Islamic religion and advocate an ideology of peace, freedom, egalitarianism and equality as declared in the constitution Hazrat Umar gave to the muslim nation. Secularism may be the only thing that can save Muslim world from deep rooted fundamentalism.

Islam demands complete subservience to Allah. The very meaning of Islam is 'submission to Allah'

How can you possibly submit if the laws won't be Islamic?
 
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The thing with secularism is that it declares the state as sovereign not God. As a result it allows you to make things halal that Allah made haram. Once you do this you have committed shirk which is the only thing that Allah will never forgive.
He explains it better.
Okay let me deconstruct this bearded trickster's flawed reasoning with my own, point by point rationale:-

1. Sovereignty rests up there - With Allah.

2. Sovereignty cannot be "relocated down here" by mortal human beings. To even think such is Shirk.

(i) Therefore by suggesting such a thing is even possible Imran Husein has comitted Shirk in my humble opinion.
(ii) Therefore when we submit to Allah we must accept the proposition that "man is incapable of relocating sovereignty from up there to down here".

3. The only question we are left with is "to whom the right to interpret down here" of sovereignty from "up there" is vested in?

(i) Society has to decide who is going to exercise, interpret and enforce down here the sovereignty that belongs up there.
(ii) At end of the day the only question left is who is going interpret it? Mr Imran Hosein? Maulana Fazal-ur-Rehman? Maulana Muhammad Khan Sherani or some other Mullah. Or elected parliament? Or dictator?


"Who"? "Interpret"? "Down here"?

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so no one mentions printing the dollar, usury, land theft, overthrowing goevrnments like salvador of chile, finacing isis,
free oil, maniplating the market, price fixing. false flag, operation gladio, crisis actors, patsy, agents like ajem choudry, depleted uranium, agent orange, nuked japan, did you know in the cold war usa actually transfered all military industriel complex and techncians to help the bolshaveiks in russia, cold war was drama haglian dielectics. list goes on.

qaddafi they got rid becuase he united africa and was going to switch to islamic gold dinar and darham. the dollar would imeditely crash and hell for usa it be reduced to third world.
after invading libya they planted rothschild central bank also blowup the pipes for water, goodbye libyans
 
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If I was sat in a pub do you think that might slighly cramp my position to speak the virtues of avoiding alcohol?




Please expand on this?
Read and listen to Imran Hosein. He explains it much better. Due to the great stature of Allama and no doubt deserved, many Pakistanis accepted that the modern republican state as a valid alternative to the model of a state in Islam.
 
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there is neither secularism nor extremism in islam but the followers tend to bend islam to suit their own lie style/agenda/worldy gains. i can say it with surity that neither the extremists nor the secular muslims have ever read a single verse of Quran the way it should be read.
 
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It is high time people who claim to be muslims followed the quran based deen of islam rather than mullahs. Mullahs are ignorant fools who have imposed their foolishness on this ummah for far too long thanks to equally stupid followers.

Things which mullahs label islamic shariah have nothing at all to do with deen of islam. It is because deen of islam is logically consistent but mullahs self invented things are logically inconsistent. For example, take the triple talaaq idea and explain how can a man marry a woman once but divorce her more than once unless one marries her more than once? If you put one thing in an empty bottle can you take out two things from it?

So if you marry once you can only divorce once unless you marry same woman again after first divorce and then divorce her again the second time. So the idea that one can marry a woman once but can divorce her more than once is utter nonsense and has nothing at all to do with deen of islam yet mullahs label it islamic.

Such people are nothing more than dumb animals in human forms who use name of deen of islam to cover their own mental crookedness.

These people also claim inheritance laws are part of deen of islam when they are not, yet they claim deen of islam is just and fair. All one has to do is, ask them suppose we have a man who has two sons and owns 100 acres of land. Each son will get 50 acres. But now suppose one of his sons has one son but the other 10 sons what is going to happen now? Son of one of them will get 50 acres but sons of the other will get 5 acres each and if the same happens in the next generation then we will have 50 acres for grandson of one of them but very little for each of the grandsons of the other. Is this just and fair? Has God given us such an unfair inheritance law to divide our things between us?

deen of islam we find in the quranic text is very different from what mullahs tell us. It is a way of life in which there is no room for man ruling over another man. No room for buying anything from others or for selling anything to anyone because none is owner of anything in this world other than Allah. God has given mankind only the right of proper management of things in this universe for ensuring well being of whole of mankind.

Mullaism is responsible for ruining this ummah that is why it is anti deen of islam but people who claim to be muslims are mostly bunch of ignorant fools who follow mullahs like sheep and think they are following deen of islam.

rulers, money lenders and mullahs are enemies of deen of islam and ummah has to see them for what they really are but till they do that things will continue as they have been.

The most important point one should be aware of is, in the quranic text God is expressing his thoughts in human language for human understanding. For this reason the quran needs pondering over its verses by people for its proper understanding. It is because just by reading it like a human written book without knowing a lot of meanings of each of its words cannot help understand it properly. This point is most important point yet all of the works available on the quran fail to convey it.

This is why in all the arabic language dictionaries we find nothing more than daily used words and their very commonly used meanings by people at the time and thereby people limit the message of the quran to a time as if it is just another human work. No effort has been made to go into depth of origin and development of human language which gives basis to proper understanding of the quran as a book revealed by God. It is very important to realise the fact that message of God cannot be limited by limits of human knowledge at any given point in time.

In fact this point I am making will go over almost all peoples’ heads because they never think about such fundamental points. For sake of understanding this point, one could think of it as if God is talking to people like a grown up is talking to a baby. Unless a baby develops understanding of the vocabulary of the adult he can never know what the adult is talking about. This is why till we come to learn vocabulary of the human language we cannot know what God is trying to tell us. This is why our daily used language cannot help us know message of God so we must go beyond that point and start learning as many meanings of a word used in the quran as it is possible for us. Only and only that can help us contextualise message of God properly. It is because when we cannot know something as it is then we have no choice but to consider as many possibilities as there are or as many as we can. So we can only be limited by our own imaginations or abilities of our own creativity.

In fact this is how we start our lives ie we are born knowing nothing at all and then we gradually learn to make sense of real world realities by considering as many possibilities as many we can as we grow up in our understanding of things. In other words we try to fit a piece of a jig saw puzzle in as many different ways as we can till it fits in its own framework. This is what the Quranic context is all about ie it is up to us human beings what we make of the text of the quran but we must not introduce contradictions in it in doing so because that will turn message of the quran into a jumble of conflicting statements. Unfortunately this is what we find in all the available tafaseer of the quran. This is where my work on the quran will be found very helpful because it sets future trend for the correct way of interpreting the message of the quran, see HERE and HERE. The text of the quran needs proper understanding before it could be debated by people who have learned sense of making proper sense of things. Deen of islam is a way of life advised by God for mankind that can lead mankind to blissful, dignified and secure existence in this world if they understand it properly and follow it faithfully. Many different versions of religion or secularism have no chance against deen of islam because they are based upon divide and rule foundation. Deen of islam is based upon foundation of unity, peace, progress and prosperity of mankind.
 
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No. The convoluted rubbish you peddle is "Kufr" and I bet your a*ss is ensconced in UK or America. Are you? Yes/No?

Or are you going to avoid answering that thus indirectly confirmy my hunch.

NO to the answer of your first question.

Second whether a person is on Greenland or Ghana it does NOT change the basic islamic obligations on him/her i.e he/she can and should preach Islam in his or her personal capacity.

Third , even if I was ensconced in Antartica , it would NOT change the facts that I am posting to fiction. SO my place of residence is absolutely irrelevant in this discussion.

@Luffy 500 ,
Can you explain what secular extremism is cause i dont know what it means?

The whole thread is your friend.
 
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islamic obligations
True. They should avoid being in places inimical to their obligations. If they can't then they should find the least inimical place to Islam.

he/she can and should preach Islam in his or her personal capacity.
You can even preach sat in a pub full of drunks about virtues of being a teetotaler but it does rather weaken their case - if not sounding hypocritical.
 
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The message of the quraan in following sooras explained in urdu

surah 2
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_922
surah 3
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_970
surah 4
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_833
surah 5
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_198
surah 6
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_444
surah 7
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_304
surah 8
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_258
surah 9
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_109
surah 10
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_965
surah 11
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_394
surah 12
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_305
surah 13
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_579
surah 14
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_50
surah 15
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_313
surah 16
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_267
surah 17
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_384
surah 18
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_232
Surah 19
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_218
surah 20
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_767
surah 21
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_809
surah 22
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_186
surah 23
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_508
surah 24
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_420
surah 25
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_601
Surah 26
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_345
Surah 27
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_685
Surah 28
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_644
Surah 29
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_905
Surah 30
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_582
Surah 31
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_137
Surah 32
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_586
surah 33
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_453
Surah 34
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_470
Surah 35
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_380
surah 36
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_794
surah 37
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_502
surah 38
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_857
surah 39
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_646
surah 40
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_216
surah 41
http://archive.org/details/AL-QURAN_152
surah 42
http://archive.org/details/Al-Quran_378
surah 43
https://archive.org/details/AL-QURAN_201504
 
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