Colonel Sanders point of view....

[Maarkhoor]

As I said above, hope is great, but realism is better.

Looser like you only troll but real men marry and get son but if a son is coward like you the feeling of a father is same as yours father.

 

[VCheng]

Looser like you only troll but real men marry and get son but if a son is coward like you the feeling of a father is same as yours father.

And your personal attack (which is false, BTW ) shows that you have run out of logical counterpoints for discussion.

Have a nice day!

 

[Haris Ali2140]

And the rest of the world will simply watch and not do anything?

Forget the world India has nuke in the same amount while it is 7x larger than Pakistan. Pakistan will totally be wiped off.
And who thinks that India won't retaliate is an idiot of highest level.

 

[SQ8]

Yeah agreed but without war we are like that and after that we will be like that and if we let India go free they will induct more weapons and force us ..... so let them drowned with us.....

Take them by surprise and launch massive nuclear attack on their naval, air and ground basis....

Plus take down Mumbai....

And welcome the biggest beggar of this world India....

Again, that is one view and as such with our nuclear deterrent we tried to convince them of that.

But we are dealing with religious fanatics leading India so much like the terrorists who we ignoring hiding among our population on the pretext we could convince them of sanity; we can’t convince them of the sheer destruction that awaits them in a nuclear conflict.

After all, until we bombed them and shot their planes down; they were convinced of being a superior force who would walk through us.

They are convinced of the same with their ABM systems except that is not something we can walk back from or a pilot we can return.

Our best bet is to abandon our usual approach in world affairs and get involved in issues that make us invaluable to those countries that wish to target India as a market.

So, just as we have engaged ourselves as a mediator in the persian gulf situation, we should push towards other diplomacy as fixers or negotiators.
We should focus on critical economic issues through ruthless pursuit of the corrupt.

If recognition of Israel has benefits for us, we should do it and quash the usual fanatic uprisings we may get at home.

In other words, we need to start playing unpredictability for India in its comfort zones and keep the message to those that want to see India as a market: that this market will be laid to waste unless you control its leaders.

The world sees money in India, then speak its language and let them know that money will burn to ashes and never be seen again if they don’t intervene and make it behave.

 

[VCheng]

Forget the world India has nuke in the same amount while it is 7x larger than Pakistan. Pakistan will totally be wiped off.
And who thinks that India won't retaliate is an idiot of highest level.

Only fools rush in where the wise fear to tread, eh?

 

[YeBeWarned]

Lol, what happened to you? just 2 days ago you were arguing that war is not an option and that we should only go for a diplomatic solution.


They will attack us once they have 72 rafales, and are well integrated into their airforce. I really hope that the PAF wakes and buys some medium to long range air defence systems before its too late. a major shift in PAF's doctrine is needed.

I am not a Pacifist or Anti War like IK said he is, my point was and still remain same .. If we are going to war, so it better be on our terms, Let India be the aggressor , and Let Kashmiri's start a massive civil war .

If we start a war than India will open IB, stretch our forces from Sindh to AJK .. and we cannot match them in numbers, and economy and we will either lose or end up in a stalemate/ceasefire and there will be no progress .

Lol, what happened to you? just 2 days ago you were arguing that war is not an option and that we should only go for a diplomatic solution.


They will attack us once they have 72 rafales, and are well integrated into their airforce. I really hope that the PAF wakes and buys some medium to long range air defence systems before its too late. a major shift in PAF's doctrine is needed.

I am not a Pacifist or Anti War like IK said he is, my point was and still remain same .. If we are going to war, so it better be on our terms, Let India be the aggressor , and Let Kashmiri's start a massive civil war .

If we start a war than India will open IB, stretch our forces from Sindh to AJK .. and we cannot match them in numbers, and economy and we will either lose or end up in a stalemate/ceasefire and there will be no progress .

Lol, what happened to you? just 2 days ago you were arguing that war is not an option and that we should only go for a diplomatic solution.


They will attack us once they have 72 rafales, and are well integrated into their airforce. I really hope that the PAF wakes and buys some medium to long range air defence systems before its too late. a major shift in PAF's doctrine is needed.

I am not a Pacifist or Anti War like IK said he is, my point was and still remain same .. If we are going to war, so it better be on our terms, Let India be the aggressor , and Let Kashmiri's start a massive civil war .

If we start a war than India will open IB, stretch our forces from Sindh to AJK .. and we cannot match them in numbers, and economy and we will either lose or end up in a stalemate/ceasefire and there will be no progress .

 

[Haris Ali2140]

I am not a Pacifist or Anti War like IK said he is, my point was and still remain same .. If we are going to war, so it better be on our terms, Let India be the aggressor , and Let Kashmiri's start a massive civil war .

If we start a war than India will open IB, stretch our forces from Sindh to AJK .. and we cannot match them in numbers, and economy and we will either lose or end up in a stalemate/ceasefire and there will be no progress .

We are a small country. If India will be the aggressor then it will be beneficial for us.

 

[YeBeWarned]

We are a small country. If India will be the aggressor then it will be beneficial for us.

Diplomatically yes, if world see India as aggressor it will save us a lot of trouble which follows after war, second until Kashmiri's start full scale civil war, even PA can not do anything

We are a small country. If India will be the aggressor then it will be beneficial for us.

Diplomatically yes, if world see India as aggressor it will save us a lot of trouble which follows after war, second until Kashmiri's start full scale civil war, even PA can not do anything .

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Diplomatically yes, if world see India as aggressor it will save us a lot of trouble which follows after war, second until Kashmiri's start full scale civil war, even PA can not do anything

Now tell this to some PDF members.
It may also cause trouble for India.

 

[Inqlab-e-Pakistan]

I agree this is the right time to start a war but not a nuclear war.

Reasons for war.

1. No one come to solve Kashmir issue except if there is a war.

2. Due to fear of again war and chance of nuclear war world powers try to solve issue on equal basis otherwise they understand this issue again brink world on END OF TIMES.

3. When there is a war it's automatically hit economy really hard. (In that case India loose more)

4. During war days we have great chances to enter our deactivated cells (I think you guys got my point). in India both in Kashmir and Punjab. These cells after cease fire bleed India which right now we don't have and without war we can't do.

5. War is the only language which RSS regime listen and understand.

6. Last but not least war is the only way which unite us all and may be with grace of ALLAH ALLMIGHTY this war give us sincear leadership.

 

[yesboss]

If its a conventional war, make sure to take out all their Dams, powerplants and everything that destroys their economy completely. If nuclear, better go first with the attack, complete fucking wipe out. Allah Malik.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Again, that is one view and as such with our nuclear deterrent we tried to convince them of that.

But we are dealing with religious fanatics leading India so much like the terrorists who we ignoring hiding among our population on the pretext we could convince them of sanity; we can’t convince them of the sheer destruction that awaits them in a nuclear conflict.

After all, until we bombed them and shot their planes down; they were convinced of being a superior force who would walk through us.

They are convinced of the same with their ABM systems except that is not something we can walk back from or a pilot we can return.

Our best bet is to abandon our usual approach in world affairs and get involved in issues that make us invaluable to those countries that wish to target India as a market.

So, just as we have engaged ourselves as a mediator in the persian gulf situation, we should push towards other diplomacy as fixers or negotiators.
We should focus on critical economic issues through ruthless pursuit of the corrupt.

If recognition of Israel has benefits for us, we should do it and quash the usual fanatic uprisings we may get at home.

In other words, we need to start playing unpredictability for India in its comfort zones and keep the message to those that want to see India as a market: that this market will be laid to waste unless you control its leaders.

The world sees money in India, then speak its language and let them know that money will burn to ashes and never be seen again if they don’t intervene and make it behave.

We got by surprise after article 370....Now we don't have time to do all above you mentioned....

It is time to do or die or die slow death....choice is with big wigs....

If we succeed we will rule this subcontinent otherwise we will die like a hero....

Indian started ethnic cleansing by removing young boys from Kashmir to concentration camps till now 13000 the have shifted....


Time is running out....

 

[SQ8]

We got by surprise after article 370....Now we don't have time to do all above you mentioned....

It is time to do or die or die slow death....choice is with big wigs....

If we succeed we will rule this subcontinent otherwise we will die like a hero....

Indian started ethnic cleansing by removing young boys from Kashmir to concentration camps till now 13000 the have shifted....


Time is running out....

It is a rock and a hard place situation. Neither options have clear outcomes and weigh on the negative side(sins of our fathers upon us in terms of our own economics and diplomacy)..
But I agree that there is an inflexion point coming where we need to take some action or have no say in what happens in the future.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

It is a rock and a hard place situation. Neither options have clear outcomes and weigh on the negative side(sins of our fathers upon us in terms of our own economics and diplomacy)..
But I agree that there is an inflexion point coming where we need to take some action or have no say in what happens in the future.

Thankyou!

 

[SIPRA]

Pakistan is facing the worst crisis of its history. Pakistan is not going to initiate any major armed conflict. But, it appears that circumstances would impose this conflict and then it might take any direction, most probably, a very ugly one, for both Pakistan and India.