COAS Qamar javed Bajwa official visit to the USA

[SIPRA]

He speaks like he is from a different country and has no idea.another talker and does nothing

He earns a handsome income from this "Bakwaas"; otherwise he is a totally characterless person.

 

[TNT]

If you knew the west you would never say thay gave you weapons free. Nothing the west does is for free. There is always strings attached and agenda.
Looool re book on international relations...I guess that book must be written by a gora

All the good books are mostly written by goras, its the reason ppl like u go there. I know its not free and we gave them help but even they accuse us of backstabbing them. we took their money n still helped taliban. They have still not sanctioned us and if they did, our economic situation will be 100x worst than now. so logic dictates that we keep a balance and reap benefits from all.

 

[maverick1977]

. out of control thread…

I agree US is no friend of Pakistan, sanctions, Salala and strategic relationship with India

 

[araz]

Bajwa is going for damage control. Just like he went to Saudi before the planned Malaysia summit. In the same manner IK visit to Moscow will likely be cancelled. And IK will still not learn any lessons.

I dont think this is damage control. These visits are part of regular interaction between the 2 armies and arranged well in advance. Even if US has played dirty with us, we will play it down rather than act hurt.
You are right in that Pakistan is at a difficult cross road where connectivity of the CPEC and extension into Central Asia will open doors for its progress which it has not seen ever. Increasing trade with central asia will blank out the 6-8 billion trade with the US.
However the matter is one of assuring the powers that be-that our aim is purely economic furthering of Pakistani interests. It maybe that there are specific US reservations about trade routes to Russia but genuinely they cannot object to trade with Central Asia. The counter could be to invite their trade delegation to come and invest in CPEC industrial zone, a move which the US might CURRENTLY not accept, but also it might allay their anxieties about being kept out of the CPEC loop.
On the military front it may all be about Pak wish to get credit from the US for its role in helping US out of Afghanistan. The US might want to restart the joint training programmes and invite Pakistan to attend the annual exercises which Pakistan will accept. I think Pakistan will again raise the issue of CSF dues which would be politely refused, but I think there is no issue in asking and we should ask for what we consider to be ours. There will be mutual back patting for Pakistan's role as major non Nato allie publically while behind closed doors there will be issues raised regarding Pakistan's support of Afghan Taliban, which would be diplomatically rebuffed. The future would be looked at and I think Pakistan will be forceful in its commitment to the West without equating US friendship with its relations with China. The only thing if it comes up (diplomatically it does not make sense) is-Pak anxieties about US interests in India instead of Pakistan, and while this would be taken as extension of US trade interests we might gently ask for similar access to US markets and avenues to increase trade. It may be decided to invite trade delegations from both sides to explore the possibilities, and it will be taken up on goverent to government basis
Kashmir will come up and US will restate its policy of being a mediator if both parties agree.
I do not think any arms will be requested nor granted. There maybe perks offered to the Chief and I will not comment on that. However I do not think much more than that will go on. I know this is an army chief's visit so a lot of political messages maybe passed around but deferred to inter-governmental level discussions.
As to the US if it wants to play dirty it will play dirty. However I do not see any advantage in doing so in the long term. Much more likely it will use all means to maintain pressure on the government.
A

 

[Genghis khan1]

how much annual investment does Pakistan get from Russia v Europe and USA?. Who are Pakistan’s largest export markets to whom we export a lot a lot more than we import from them? I don’t need to say the abvious.

Look Pak and Russia should have good relationship, but this is not the time to visit Moscow, that would antagonise the Europeans and the Americans. Let’s not further ruin our relationship. IK needs to stop trying to intimate Erdogan, even Erdogan is trying to improve relations. IK needs to put the country interest before his ego.

Bajwa is going for damage control. Just like he went to Saudi before the planned Malaysia summit. In the same manner IK visit to Moscow will likely be cancelled. And IK will still not learn any lessons.

When I sometimes talk to my “Think Tank” friend in Islamabad. I hear total confusion. Their understanding of western world is that of Hollywood.

 

[Trango Towers]

When I sometimes talk to my “Think Tank” friend in Islamabad. I hear total confusion. Their understanding of western world is that of Hollywood.

Not much of a think tank then. Sad

 

[SIPRA]

Not much of a think tank then. Sad

Most of them are merely "Think Chhapparhs".

 

[Trango Towers]

Good to keep ties going.

I heard from a source that Pakistan will be asked to become a joint partner in the F-35 program.

This was the sauce;

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That so racist why not brown sauce ???

 

[HarisMalik]

Here is something I responded to regarding: F-16 arahay hain.

How many times have Members here uttered the exact same words you just said in the past year, or 2 years, or 5 years or even 10 years ago?

This trip has nothing to do with acquisition.

COAS had visited the US a couple of years back, and that time we had leverage - because Afghanistan was still a situation.

Priorities of the US have shifted from Afghanistan to Russia.

On the flip side, like it or not - we are still consider a (major) non-NATO ally. In this region they need us more than we (now) need them.

No one here should make much out of this meeting and certainly not expect anything.

If memory serves, a couple of years back people were tracking our IL-78's from US thinking we were getting the Cobras. How'd that work out?

But I believed this for the past 2 years. We had a little interaction with LM officials at DAS was that there could be a possibility of an F16V sale. but again i am not saying i am 100% right. There is a difference betwen F16 arahay hain and F16 on table.

 

[Trailer23]

But I believed this for the past 2 years. We had a little interaction with LM officials at DAS was that there could be a possibility of an F16V sale. but again i am not saying i am 100% right. There is a difference betwen F16 arahay hain and F16 on table.

DAS?

Dubai Air Show...

 

[SQ8]

I dont think this is damage control. These visits are part of regular interaction between the 2 armies and arranged well in advance. Even if US has played dirty with us, we will play it down rather than act hurt.
You are right in that Pakistan is at a difficult cross road where connectivity of the CPEC and extension into Central Asia will open doors for its progress which it has not seen ever. Increasing trade with central asia will blank out the 6-8 billion trade with the US.
However the matter is one of assuring the powers that be-that our aim is purely economic furthering of Pakistani interests. It maybe that there are specific US reservations about trade routes to Russia but genuinely they cannot object to trade with Central Asia. The counter could be to invite their trade delegation to come and invest in CPEC industrial zone, a move which the US might CURRENTLY not accept, but also it might allay their anxieties about being kept out of the CPEC loop.
On the military front it may all be about Pak wish to get credit from the US for its role in helping US out of Afghanistan. The US might want to restart the joint training programmes and invite Pakistan to attend the annual exercises which Pakistan will accept. I think Pakistan will again raise the issue of CSF dues which would be politely refused, but I think there is no issue in asking and we should ask for what we consider to be ours. There will be mutual back patting for Pakistan's role as major non Nato allie publically while behind closed doors there will be issues raised regarding Pakistan's support of Afghan Taliban, which would be diplomatically rebuffed. The future would be looked at and I think Pakistan will be forceful in its commitment to the West without equating US friendship with its relations with China. The only thing if it comes up (diplomatically it does not make sense) is-Pak anxieties about US interests in India instead of Pakistan, and while this would be taken as extension of US trade interests we might gently ask for similar access to US markets and avenues to increase trade. It may be decided to invite trade delegations from both sides to explore the possibilities, and it will be taken up on goverent to government basis
Kashmir will come up and US will restate its policy of being a mediator if both parties agree.
I do not think any arms will be requested nor granted. There maybe perks offered to the Chief and I will not comment on that. However I do not think much more than that will go on. I know this is an army chief's visit so a lot of political messages maybe passed around but deferred to inter-governmental level discussions.
As to the US if it wants to play dirty it will play dirty. However I do not see any advantage in doing so in the long term. Much more likely it will use all means to maintain pressure on the government.
A

There is a bit of damage control involved due to the current situation since the initial move was to send high level diplomats but the assurance was needed from the defacto foriegn policy leadership level.

There was some goodwill built up due to Pakistan's assistance during the Afg withdrawal fiasco by the Biden Admin which is now at risk due to the Ukraine situation and the image of IK in Moscow which Russia will use on its media as a show of support. It is also likely that the talker that IK is he will repeat his tape recorder and let slip some words of support and then its all hell at FATF.

To reiterate - things are still pretty much the same between Pak & US mil leadership. Many of these relationships are personal as well from the years spent in training and in attache' positions together. These are also the links that continue to lobby (along with whatever little lobbying Pakistan can afford) in both Senate and congressional briefings. In addition, there is an "understanding" on Kashmir vis-a-vis Taiwan as well along with some on India too.
The US did vie for India's support against Russia as well but India has a strict no-cross line there. Since the US cannot abandon a prime bulwark against China and a massive trading partner it will try to keep any additional support away from Russia; and since Pakistani leadership is an easy kick in the butt if real US anger is shown it works out this way.

Not as extreme as many would interpret, each side has red lines not to cross in this complex multi-dimensional relationship and for the United States it is currently do not support Russia.

 

[cloud4000]

On matter of Principle , it is wrong that our Head of Military just packs up the bag and heads out to USA with out any Prior agenda being discussed with Prime Minister of Pakistan or having a joint declaration what is the purpose of visit?

It looks awkward , unplanned , and a bit rushed.

There should be a proper Press Release which declares why the visit is taking place?

As a General of Pakistan Military , there is no reporting requirement to any foreign body unless , there is pre arranged agenda to discuss which is fully disclosed with Pakistani People

Had the visit been planned with prior communication , people would have clear understanding of this visit

Because the Pakistan military acts more like a parallel government. They have their own agenda and have nothing but contempt for the civilians. COAS Bajwa is not only playing the role of army chief but foreign minister as well.

 

[kingQamaR]

The biggest headache for the west now is mass immigration of afghans to Europe! We can not stop this go speak with Taliban , on the other big issues Ukraine and Russia we are not big enough to play any role in that thank god
I’m hoping it’s a just a friendly visit to kinds mend our fences

 

[HarisMalik]

DAS?

Dubai Air Show...

yes

 

[Trailer23]

yes

Yeah, I was there too (all 5 Days) & the previous one in 2019 too.

Don't let the slick suits & fancy talk of Lockheed Martin fool you.

If it were possible, they'd sell F-35's to Yemen 'cause they don't care about Politics - just money.

Prior to the pandemic at the 2019 DxB Air Show, they told me that they were interested in attending IDEAS as well, but at the end of the day, its up to US Gov't to give the nod.

Don't think too much into it.