Clashes, water cannon as 100,000+ march in Brussels against austerity (PHOTOS)

[Fukuoka]

Clashes, water cannon as 100,000+ march in Brussels against austerity (PHOTOS) — RT News

It looks like the protest are more and more violent. JEW NATO have shown the way with the arabs "springs" & Maidan

 

[libertad]

Anti austerity communist, lazy bums. Europe is filled with them.

 

[Penguin]

Anti austerity communist, lazy bums. Europe is filled with them.

stfu if you don't know what you're talking about (or have nothing suibstantive to add)

Clashes, water cannon as 100,000+ march in Brussels against austerity (PHOTOS) — RT News

It looks like the protest are more and more violent. JEW NATO have shown the way with the arabs "springs" & Maidan

Beg your pardon?

 

[libertad]

stfu if you don't know what you're talking about (or have nothing suibstantive to add)

These strikers are basically socialist/communist bums. The government can't afford to spend so they strike because spending will be cut. Their solution is for the government to increase taxes on the rest of us so spending levels can remain the same, if not increase. I wonder why taxpayers don't strike because they are sick of being taxed to death to pay inflated union wages? Oh that's right they have jobs and don't have time to loot and burn.

 

[Penguin]

These strikers are basically socialist/communist bums. The government can't afford to spend so they strike because spending will be cut. Their solution is for the government to increase taxes on the rest of us so spending levels can remain the same, if not increase. I wonder why taxpayers don't strike because they are sick of being taxed to death to pay inflated union wages? Oh that's right they have jobs and don't have time to loot and burn.

And you know this .. how?
The rest of us? Aren't you in the US? Rather than in the EU

What you see is a largely peacefull demonstration involving quite a larger number of protestors and another click with a very localized skirmish with one small band of folks. This is presented without context. Only idiots generalize from that.

 

[Pakistani E]

These strikers are basically socialist/communist bums. The government can't afford to spend so they strike because spending will be cut. Their solution is for the government to increase taxes on the rest of us so spending levels can remain the same, if not increase. I wonder why taxpayers don't strike because they are sick of being taxed to death to pay inflated union wages? Oh that's right they have jobs and don't have time to loot and burn.

Nope sorry, the American tax payer is not paying for these "socialist/communist bums", As a British tax payer, I am against austerity measures being carried out be crony capitalist elite while they shore up banks with billions of pounds of our money, the only ones who should be paying for the financial crises are the ones who caused it, the bankers.

 

[libertad]

And you know this .. how?
The rest of us? Aren't you in the US? Rather than in the EU

What you see is a largely peacefull demonstration involving quite a larger number of protestors and another click with a very localized skirmish with one small band of folks. This is presented without context. Only idiots generalize from that.

By 'us' I mean everyone that works for a living that doesn't depend on any kind of government assistance. I have a kinship with such people all over the world.

Nope sorry, the American tax payer is not paying for these "socialist/communist bums", As a British tax payer, I am against austerity measures being carried out be crony capitalist elite while they shore up banks with billions of pounds of our money, the only ones who should be paying for the financial crises are the ones who caused it, the bankers.

Read above. When will you understand that the government is broke and cannot spend any more? The government doesn't have a dime to its name. All its money is derived from others who WORK in the private sector. Nobody answered my previous question; when are the TAXPAYERS going to strike? They have to be sick of being taxed to death to pay for welfare programs unions for the lazy.

 

[Penguin]

By 'us' I mean everyone that works for a living that doesn't depend on any kind of government assistance. I have a kinship with such people all over the world.

Never got student loans?

Seriously, just because you're protesting against something doesn't mean your unemployed and on the dole. And even if you were, being in the dole in most cases is not a choice. And it certainly isn't meat and gravy being on the dole.

Read above. When will you understand that the government is broke and cannot spend any more? The government doesn't have a dime to its name. All its money is derived from others who WORK in the private sector. Nobody answered my previous question; when are the TAXPAYERS going to strike? They have to be sick of being taxed to death to pay for welfare programs unions for the lazy.

Interesting. Over past decades there has been steady productivity growth. Yet, working people these days have to hold down 2 or 3 jobs to pay the bills that their parents paid out of one income/job. Go figure. Meanwhile, government gets stuck with the areas that don't see productivity growth i.e. education, health care, care for the elderly. In whose pockets has that productivity growth landed? Funny, how since the 20008-9 crisis the number of billionaires has increased.....

For citizens (but not corporations) there are 2 certainties in life: death and taxes.

 

[libertad]

Never got student loans?

Student loans are the reason college is so expensive and getting even more expensive. And no, i've never got one. I don't begrudge people getting student loans provided its in a marketable field of study.

Seriously, just because you're protesting against something doesn't mean your unemployed and on the dole. And even if you were, being in the dole in most cases is not a choice. And it certainly isn't meat and gravy being on the dole.


Interesting. Over past decades there has been steady productivity growth. Yet, working people these days have to hold down 2 or 3 jobs to pay the bills that their parents paid out of one income/job. Go figure. Meanwhile, government gets stuck with the areas that don't see productivity growth i.e. education, health care, care for the elderly. In whose pockets has that productivity growth landed? Funny, how since the 20008-9 crisis the number of billionaires has increased.....

For citizens (but not corporations) there are 2 certainties in life: death and taxes.

If the government is broke, it is broke. There's no amount of protests and tax increases (that leftist protesters demand) that's going to change the inevitable. The taxpayers should strike as well. Working people have to hold down 2 jobs to pay the bills. They work hard and don't have time for nonsensical protests which is nothing but thuggery as we can see from those pictures. Compare them with unionized government employees who earn alot more than their private sector peers. Yet unions and government employees are always on the streets protesting austerity or agitating for salary increases. Life is not easy we all have to work hard to make it. Only thing is most of us don't depend on government for our income therefore strikes would do us no good. So what if the number of billionaires has increased? They earned their money, they didn't take it from you. Its not your money!!!!

 

[Penguin]

Student loans are the reason college is so expensive and getting even more expensive. And no, i've never got one. I don't begrudge people getting student loans provided its in a marketable field of study.

Expensive? Not outside of the US it is. Why should only marketable studies (whatever those are) be considered 'worthy'? THere's more to life and mankind than economics.

If the government is broke, it is broke. There's no amount of protests and tax increases (that leftist protesters demand) that's going to change the inevitable. The taxpayers should strike as well. Working people have to hold down 2 jobs to pay the bills. They work hard and don't have time for nonsensical protests which is nothing but thuggery as we can see from those pictures. Compare them with unionized government employees who earn alot more than their private sector peers. Yet unions and government employees are always on the streets protesting austerity or agitating for salary increases. Life is not easy we all have to work hard to make it. Only thing is most of us don't depend on government for our income therefore strikes would do us no good. So what if the number of billionaires has increased? They earned their money, they didn't take it from you. Its not your money!!!!

bla bla. The reason you today have to hold down 2 jobs is because corporations take they facilities to another country if they think wages are too high. Holding down 2 jobs mean your work has devalued. While at the same time there is productivity growth. Mmmm, wonder how you explain that.

Essentially you say that whoever isn't busy with nothing other than working isn't pulling their weight. So, its a good thing to have no time for anything by earning a buck?

You don't understand how Europe works at all: government workers earn less than private sector peers, which are also unionized (google collective bargaining: applies in both public and private sectors). Government workers wages are behind (way!) behind private sector. At least in my country they do.

Imagine having (mandatorily) payed into pensionfunds and now being told a) you;re getting less when retiring, b) you will be paying more for the remainder of your working life, while working longer and c) while it is you responsibility to save to complement you pension we do want you to spend money now so we keep interest on savings at less than inflation d) we lower the mandatory payment into pension funds so you have more to spend now (rather than save), which extra income we tax now tax and e) we also do this with unemployment and health benefits (i.e. if you have money saved, you will be charged more for the same health care/retirement home). Somebody is taking huge bites out of my cheese while moving it. And it ain't the unions.

If your productivity increases and your real wages don't, who profits? Government or business?

 

[Penguin]

vid 1 > peacefull mass demonstration
vid 2 > 1 small localized disturbance
Therefor all 100k protesters are bums.

Belgian police have used tear gas and water cannon against violent anti-austerity protesters in central Brussels after a largely peaceful march by about 100,000 workers.
Several vehicles were set alight by protesters who also hurled stones and flares at police. About 50 people were hurt and 30 detained, officials said.

BBC News - Brussels anti-austerity protest ends in clashes

For two hours, the demonstrators had peacefully marched down the main thoroughfares of central Brussels to protest government policies that will raise the pension age, contain wages and cut into public services.
But violence broke out at the end of the demonstration as police fired tear gas and water cannon in an effort to clear the streets.
A new government was elected in Belgium last month and immediately pledged to raise the retirement age, cancel wage rises and cut social security benefits. This was all in line with strict guidelines from Europe, which views austerity as the key to the trading bloc's future.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2824057/Brussels-burns-100-000-protesters-clash-police-march-against-EU-austerity-measures.html#ixzz3IiKI9Ziu
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[libertad]

Expensive? Not outside of the US it is. Why should only marketable studies (whatever those are) be considered 'worthy'? THere's more to life and mankind than economics.

Here, college tuition has skyrocketed because the student loans have removed all incentive for colleges to compete. It results in a bad cycle. College expensive>government loans>colleges don't cut cost because students are getting free loans to attend>college expensive<.
College loans in the US have a 70-80% recidivism rate. There is more college loan debt than credit card debt. Why? Because graduates are not getting jobs to pay off the loans. If loans were only going out to competitive fields (health sciences, engineering, computer science etc) then all loans would be paid off. I don't think college loans should be given in areas where there is no demand for graduates. If you want to study french literature, do so at your own dime.

bla bla. The reason you today have to hold down 2 jobs is because corporations take they facilities to another country if they think wages are too high. Holding down 2 jobs mean your work has devalued. While at the same time there is productivity growth. Mmmm, wonder how you explain that.

The reason most of the stuff we buy (clothes, electronics etc) is more and more affordable is because companies are cutting costs by outsourcing. Everyone has to do it to remain competitive. You need to learn economics. The jobs being outsourced are menial jobs that anyone with two hands can do. It makes no sense to pay someone $20 an hour to do something that can be done with $1 somewhere like Bangladesh. Simple economics. The money saved on labor costs allows companies to grow and compete internationally and in the end they actually add jobs in their home country. High paying high skilled jobs like accountants, distributors etc.

Essentially you say that whoever isn't busy with nothing other than working isn't pulling their weight. So, its a good thing to have no time for anything by earning a buck?


You don't understand how Europe works at all: government workers earn less than private sector peers, which are also unionized (google collective bargaining: applies in both public and private sectors). Government workers wages are behind (way!) behind private sector. At least in my country they do.

I know that most of European countries are heavily influenced by labor unions. Here in the US, 93% of the workforce is non union, yet our GDP per capita is higher than every European country. Why is that? Unions and big government kill economic growth.

Imagine having (mandatorily) payed into pension funds and now being told a) you;re getting less when retiring, b) you will be paying more for the remainder of your working life, while working longer and c) while it is you responsibility to save to complement you pension we do want you to spend money now so we keep interest on savings at less than inflation d) we lower the mandatory payment into pension funds so you have more to spend now (rather than save), which extra income we tax now tax and e) we also do this with unemployment and health benefits (i.e. if you have money saved, you will be charged more for the same health care/retirement home). Somebody is taking huge bites out of my cheese while moving it. And it ain't the unions.

Austerity is going to happen one way or the other. Its either going to happen in a controlled manner or by collapse. There's nothing you can do about that. I'd be alot more sympathetic if they didn't have these ridiculous 35 hour work weeks, 8 week vacations and laws preventing you from firing bad employees.

 

[Steve781]

Clashes, water cannon as 100,000+ march in Brussels against austerity (PHOTOS) — RT News

It looks like the protest are more and more violent. JEW NATO have shown the way with the arabs "springs" & Maidan

Nothing about "Jew USA?"

 

[Penguin]

Here, college tuition has skyrocketed because the student loans have removed all incentive for colleges to compete. It results in a bad cycle. College expensive>government loans>colleges don't cut cost because students are getting free loans to attend>college expensive<.

College loans in the US have a 70-80% recidivism rate. There is more college loan debt than credit card debt. Why? Because graduates are not getting jobs to pay off the loans. If loans were only going out to competitive fields (health sciences, engineering, computer science etc) then all loans would be paid off. I don't think college loans should be given in areas where there is no demand for graduates. If you want to study french literature, do so at your own dime.

I'm not here to discuss student loans (although having worked on ed. policy with the Dutch Govt, I could). Rest assured, it is not govt loans that make US ed expensive.

The reason most of the stuff we buy (clothes, electronics etc) is more and more affordable is because companies are cutting costs by outsourcing. Everyone has to do it to remain competitive. You need to learn economics. The jobs being outsourced are menial jobs that anyone with two hands can do. It makes no sense to pay someone $20 an hour to do something that can be done with $1 somewhere like Bangladesh. Simple economics. The money saved on labor costs allows companies to grow and compete internationally and in the end they actually add jobs in their home country. High paying high skilled jobs like accountants, distributors etc.

There is more to life, to society than just economics. Mostly, there are just policy options (i.e. politically motivated policy CHOICES).You might do well to learn and think more critically. Check out were US employment has gone and where jobgrowth is.

I know that most of European countries are heavily influenced by labor unions. Here in the US, 93% of the workforce is non union, yet our GDP per capita is higher than every European country. Why is that? Unions and big government kill economic growth.

Yeah, the US aversion to unions is well documented (see eg Lipset). NL, for excample, has one of the smallest per capita number of civil servants. And unionism has been declinging in Europe for decades. Update your facts.

Austerity is going to happen one way or the other. Its either going to happen in a controlled manner or by collapse. There's nothing you can do about that. I'd be alot more sympathetic if they didn't have these ridiculous 35 hour work weeks, 8 week vacations and laws preventing you from firing bad employees.

Since you already have the answers, why bother debating here?[/quote]
Again, I am not here to debate policy. Fact is you put a label on a whole segment of society without being knowledgeable, merely on the basis of some footage of a very limited clash between a small group of protestors and police.

I've lived in the US for about a decade, I have the highest available US educational degree, I know the place and I don't agree with you.

 

[Penguin]

Nothing about "Jew USA?"

That 'JEW ...[ whatever]' bit in itself is already ... well .