CII wants co-education abolished at the earliest

[faisal6309]

I was just being sarcastic sheesh

Oh! In that case I will take my words back. I sometimes get aggressive when title of debate is related to religion.

 

[General General]

 

[Zarvan]

My last try.

Why mixing of genders is allowed during hajj time? Logic?

Even the kind of mixing you are thinking is not allowed their. As for logic ? What is logic of combining prayers in Hajj but not after Hajj. Logic is it's order of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW. In mosques in PROPHET SAW time men and women section used to be totally seperate.

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Sorry staying on track is implementing Islam going against it will only give rise to extremism and people taking law in their own hands.

 

[I.R.A]

Even the kind of mixing you are thinking is not allowed their. As for logic ? What is logic of combining prayers in Hajj but not after Hajj. Logic is it's order of ALLAH and his RASOOL SAW. In mosques in PROPHET SAW time men and women section used to be totally seperate.

Logic for combining timing of prayers would be time saving, as logic shortened prayers during travel is safety and convenience. So logic for mixing of genders at time of tuwaf would be most probably it is not possible to separate them out, have no means to do that. Similarly we don't have means right now to separate boys and girls right now. Fatwas need to consider this.

 

[Zarvan]

Logic for combining timing of prayers would be time saving, as logic shortened prayers during travel is safety and convenience. So logic for mixing of genders at time of tuwaf would be most probably it is not possible to separate them out, have no means to do that. Similarly we don't have means right now to separate boys and girls right now. Fatwas need to consider this.

Sorry why not save times on other occasions ? We have means to separate we need intention to implement Islam.

 

[I.R.A]

Sorry why not save times on other occasions ? We have means to separate we need intention to implement Islam.

I also gave you example of qasar....................... remember while sitting in comfort of my home and town I have all the time.

You don't have means to educate your whole populace, look at our literacy rate its a shame for us as a nation, look at how many children beg and are forced into labor, and you are telling me that we have means to separate education for different genders. Come on be realistic.

 

[Zarvan]

I also gave you example of qasar....................... remember while sitting in comfort of my home and town I have all the time.

You don't have means to educate your whole populace, look at our literacy rate its a shame for us as a nation, look at how many children beg and are forced into labor, and you are telling me that we have means to separate education for different genders. Come on be realistic.

Sorry well you can be at work still you can't shorten or combine prayer man. Yes we have sources only think which we lack is intention and need to control corruption

 

[I.R.A]

Sorry well you can be at work still you can't shorten or combine prayer man. Yes we have sources only think which we lack is intention and need to control corruption

That is what I am saying there is a reason for shortening or merging prayer times, without reason it is normal, in ideal conditions what CII is saying should be right, but we are not living in ideal conditions or are we? I am not the one who can control this corruption or utilise resources to build and reform education system. CII chairman has been MNA for his lifetime what steps did he take before announcing this?

 

[gau8av]

just how common is the niqab in Pakistan ? people here often argue and say with pride that most Pakistani women don't wear it (the urban upper/middle classes anyway)

 

[Zarvan]

That is what I am saying there is a reason for shortening or merging prayer times, without reason it is normal, in ideal conditions what CII is saying should be right, but we are not living in ideal conditions or are we? I am not the one who can control this corruption or utilise resources to build and reform education system. CII chairman has been MNA for his lifetime what steps did he take before announcing this?

Well all co education institutions can't be shut at once but they should be given 8 to 10 years to build separate facilities and government also needs to build more institutions separate for both genders

just how common is the niqab in Pakistan ? people here often argue and say with pride that most Pakistani women don't wear it (the urban upper/middle classes anyway)

More than 90 % Cover themselves out of which 35 % wear Niqab other don't cover face but wear Abaya and other cover themselves with Dupatta

 

[Maarkhoor]

@Color_Less_Sky
Argument with Zarvan bhai is equal to hit stone with forehead. He is self confessed Salafi so no use to engage Zarvan bhai yeh log nahien sudherney waley. Inkey diloun per stamp lag chuki hey.

 

[Spring Onion]

Acha to Phir Akhri Rasool-e-Khuda ki death k baad sahaba Hazrat Ayesha say Nabi ki life k baray main aur dosray masail k baray main knowledge or you kahye k usswa hassana k baray main malmooat k liye kesay atay thay? kia junaid baghdadi Hazarat Ayesha say ziada mutabar hain k un k quotes ko jawaz banaya jaye?

 

[TheNoob]

And I want CII to be abolished, once and for all.
These uneducated bunches are stopping the country from development.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Sorry prove them wrong from Quran and Sunnah although those talking thrash against CII have failed to come up with anything from Quran and Sunnah. As long as they provide proof from Quran and Sunnah before talking thrash first decide weather you are Muslim or not because all people are indirectly attacking attacking Quran and Sunnah.

prove from the Quran and sunnah that co ed is banned?
in the Prophet's (S.A.W.W) men and women used to pray together in the Masjid E Nabwi, and they used to losten together to the Prophet (S.A.W.W)
so wasnt that co ed, sort of?

Ha ha ha i know what you mean i used to be that

unfortunately i am still like that

 

[Maarkhoor]

prove from the Quran and sunnah that co ed is banned?
in the Prophet's (S.A.W.W) men and women used to pray together in the Masjid E Nabwi, and they used to losten together to the Prophet (S.A.W.W)
so wasnt that co ed, sort of?


unfortunately i am still like that

All the madrasas before salfiism practice co ed, in my childhood i saw with my eyes.