CIA declassified documents Air War 1971 - PAF v IAF

[Reichmarshal]

I am seriously appalled at the level of intelligence of some of the posters specially indians......u ppl r here arguing in a thread titled " CIA declassified docs 1971".
Did u even bother to even read that page? How stupid is that and on top of that u go around foolishly throwing figures.

If u can read u can clearly see an almost 2:1 ratio in favour of PAF. This dispite an over whelming iaf superiority in men n material.

 

[KhanBaba2]

I am seriously appalled at the level of intelligence of some of the posters specially indians......u ppl r here arguing in a thread titled " CIA declassified docs 1971".
Did u even bother to even read that page? How stupid is that and on top of that u go around foolishly throwing figures.

If u can read u can clearly see an almost 2:1 ratio in favour of PAF. This dispite an over whelming iaf superiority in men n material.

I am appalled that people on a defence forum think that war is a game of numbers.

 

[Reichmarshal]

When the firing stops and the dust has settled, than only numbers matter.

 

[KurtisBrian]

wasn't Pakistan supported by the USA and using US ("Canadian") jets? Like the F-86 Sabre. That makes the CIA impartial and any information reported suspect.

 

[KhanBaba2]

When the firing stops and the dust has settled, than only numbers matter.

The objectives that have been gained are the only things that matter.

We would in any case have by now replaced the warplanes that we lost in 1971. You have not been able to replace Bangladesh or Kargil that you lost in 1971. And you will never be able to replace it.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The objectives that have been gained are the only things that matter.

We would in any case have by now replaced the warplanes that we lost in 1971. You have not been able to replace Bangladesh or Kargil that you lost in 1971. And you will never be able to replace it.

So according to you, did Pakistan ever have domain over Kargil?.............


Has indian managed to replace what it lost in 1947?............

 

[KhanBaba2]

So according to you, did Pakistan ever have domain over Kargil?.............

Yes. The Kargil hills were held by you.

Has indian managed to replace what it lost in 1947?............

You were born first. Maybe it was you who lost India.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Yes. The Kargil hills were held by you.



You were born first. Maybe it was you who lost India.

Was ALL of Kargill held by Pakistan or are you referring to the hills Pakistan vacated AFTER we had taken it from india?............

Also, you are aware that Pakistan conquered point 5353 in Kargil from more than 7× bigger india who has the full backing of the West and Russia, yet still cannot take it back from Pakistan, even today.............:

The rarely told story of vital Point 5353 India failed to retake from Pakistan in Kargil

Some 19 yrs after the war, ThePrint pieces together events that prevented the Indian Army from capturing a vital height.

www.google.co.uk

PS Do you believe that there was EVER a united india and that the area that is now Pakistan was NEVER a part of that entity?............

 

[KhanBaba2]

Was ALL of Kargill held by Pakistan or are you referring to the hills Pakistan vacated AFTER we had taken it from india?............

Also, you are aware that Pakistan conquered point 5353 in Kargil from more than 7× bigger india who has the full backing of the West and Russia, yet still cannot take it back from Pakistan, even today.............:

You are clearly not aware that every point on Kargil was once held by Pakistan. You have vacated the Kargil hills not once but thrice.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You are clearly not aware that every point on Kargil was once held by Pakistan. You have vacated the Kargil hills not once but thrice.

IF what you say is true, can you post the links to the evidence that confirm your above claims?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

wasn't Pakistan supported by the USA and using US ("Canadian") jets? Like the F-86 Sabre. That makes the CIA impartial and any information reported suspect.

The same CIA has has also published USAF USA and USN losses in Vietnam war. Why would CIA falsify PAF losses in classified report that was not even declassified few years ago?

Indian logic makes no sense.

You are clearly not aware that every point on Kargil was once held by Pakistan. You have vacated the Kargil hills not once but thrice.

Do you know how embarrassing it is for a regional super power "India" to have its territory occupied by a minion power "Pakistan"?
Thats like saying Ukraine occupied Russian territory for few months!!! lol

 

[KurtisBrian]

he same CIA has has also published USAF USA and USN losses in Vietnam war. Why would CIA falsify PAF losses in classified report that was not even declassified few years ago?

Who would see that report? Budgeting committees. You keep looking at these fellows at the CIA as human beings (instead of as Poe Pokemon). They serve for gov’t (masters) funding. If the information shows that US funding to Pakistan was ineffective or not worthwhile the funding gets cut. Pokemon need to make what they do appear productive.

 

[KhanBaba2]

The same CIA has has also published USAF USA and USN losses in Vietnam war. Why would CIA falsify PAF losses in classified report that was not even declassified few years ago?

Indian logic makes no sense.


Do you know how embarrassing it is for a regional super power "India" to have its territory occupied by a minion power "Pakistan"?
Thats like saying Ukraine occupied Russian territory for few months!!! lol

Ukraine did occupy Crimea

 

[PradoTLC]

I am seriously appalled at the level of intelligence of some of the posters specially indians......u ppl r here arguing in a thread titled " CIA declassified docs 1971".
Did u even bother to even read that page? How stupid is that and on top of that u go around foolishly throwing figures.

If u can read u can clearly see an almost 2:1 ratio in favour of PAF. This dispite an over whelming iaf superiority in men n material.

Indian intelligence ?

what is that?

I am appalled that people on a defence forum think that war is a game of numbers.

understandable you are upset. Your government keeps lying to you...

truth can be a migraine.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Who would see that report? Budgeting committees. You keep looking at these fellows at the CIA as human beings (instead of as Poe Pokemon). They serve for gov’t (masters) funding. If the information shows that US funding to Pakistan was ineffective or not worthwhile the funding gets cut. Pokemon need to make what they do appear productive.

Most of weapons Pakistan received from US were from late 1950s and early 1960s and majority of them were 20-30 year old technology by 1971 which US phased out. And they held up well against India in both wars 65 and 71 war.

Ukraine did occupy Crimea

Indiot, Crimea was in Ukraine possession sine its independence which then got annexed by Russia. So imagine Ukraine occupying Crimea which is now in Russia's possession.