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Chinese SSD maker eyes U.S. market for 8TB drive intro

Computerworld | Oct 13, 2015 2:59 AM PT
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Sage Microelectronics (SageMicro), a four-year-old company based in Hangzhou, China, plans to release an 8TB solid-state drive (SSD) next month as it attempts to break into the U.S. market.

The company, which emerged from quiet mode last year, already sells a 5TB SSD in a 2.5-in. form factor, along with SD cards and NAND flash memory controllers. The 8TB SSD simply adds another stack of eMMC flash memory crammed into a 9.5mm-high SSD.

What makes SageMicro different from most other SSD makers is that it uses eMMC, or embedded MultiMediaCard technology, which is the dense flash storage typically used in mobile devices such as smartphones.
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An internal view of SageMicro's 5TB SSD.

SageMicro would presumably lead the industry in terms of 2.5-in SDD capacity if it does begin selling a 8TB SSD next month as planned.

Jerome Lou, SageMicro's founder and CEO, said his company is already testing a 10TB SSD in house and expects it will ship sometime next year.

While SanDisk now sells a 4TB SSD and hopes to release an 8TB version this year, there are no 10TB 2.5-in SSDs on the market today.

Samsung has developed a 15.36TB SSD based on a 2.5-in. form factor, but there are few details about when it may actually go into production.

The advantage SageMicro has over other NAND flash SSD companies, according to Lou, is that it uses a denser multi-chip package. Each eMMC flash chip package offers 128GB of capacity versus 32GB packages used in other SSDs.

A major tradeoff SageMicro made in order to pitch a drive with industry-leading capacity is the lack of DRAM memory on board. No DRAM means more space for NAND flash.
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A look at the eMMC chip package on the PCB.

DRAM in SSDs is used to cache write operations and pre-position data before it's written to the flash memory, which helps increase drive performance and endurance.

Lou, however, argued that eMMC flash has less need of DRAM because it comes natively with ECC.

"Another advantage is that everyone builds SSD controllers with wear leveling and ECC for each flash channel. So you have an ECC controller with ECC and wear leveling for all 8 or 10 channels," Lou said. " We don't care about ECC... eMMC has its own controller that takes care of ECC. That way, our controller can deal with more channels and packages of eMMC chips."

Troy Rutt, SageMicro's U.S. sales director, said the SSDs are extremely durable multi-level cell (MLC) NAND flash memory versus triple-level cell (TLC) flash that's used in many commodity SSDs today. MLC stores two bits of data per memory cell and TLC memory stores three, which requires more error correction code and tends to wear memory faster.

"If the circuitry holds up, you could do 10 writes per day for 10 or 15 years," Rutt said.

SageMicro currently uses flash from Samsung, but plans to begin purchasing its memory from Intel, Rutt said.

Because it uses no DRAM, SageMicro's SSDs are also markedly slower than other 2.5-in SSDs -- even consumer models, which can boast read/write rates exceeding 500MB/s. SageMicro's 5TB SSD using a SATA II interface has a maximum read/write rate of 200MB/s.

"Our drives will continue to be slower, but we haven't found it to be a deal killer right now," Rutt said.

Rutt said the SSDs are still vastly faster than hard disk drives and offer capacities that are attractive for enterprise applications, where the drives are being marketed.
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A close-up view of the PCB on SageMicro's 5TB SSD.

Jim Handy, an analyst with Objective Analysis, said that while the drives are slower than other SSDs, there's still a market for high capacity flash drives -- even if they aren't cutting edge in performance.

"Even though most companies focus a lot of attention on IOPS [I/Os per second], a lot of SSDs that are used in embedded applications like POS terminals, industrial controllers, and even tablet PCs, don't need much speed," Handy said.

SageMicro's SSDs are also pricy. A 5TB model runs north of $5,000. :woot:

The high price of the drive reflects what Rutt said is a highly resilient product, capable of withstanding temperatures of -40 to 85 Celsius.

Knowing it wouldn't be able to compete on a level playing field against the likes of Intel, Micron and other big-name SSD makers, Sage Micro decided instead to be different, and different meant not only large capacity but also unusual features.

"We didn't want to roll up with a 1TB drive like everyone else. We're not going to be better than Intel and we're not going to be cheaper than Samsung," Rutt said. "So, we need to be different." One "different" feature SageMicron sells are SSDs with a "Smart Destruction" function. The Smart Destruction feature can be set to erase encryption keys, perform a drive erase or physically fry the memory chips with a pulse of high voltage.

The Smart Destruction mode can be triggered using a digital timer, a mobile phone instruction, or by simply pressing a button.

"Yes, it actually smokes sometimes when you push the button," Rutt said. "People like that."

The drives also come with 256-bit AES encryption and SageMicro is hopeful it will soon receive its FIPS 140-2 certification, which would make them compliant for use with government applications.

SageMicro is not the first Chinese state-backed company to attempt to make inroads into the U.S. data storage market. China's Tsinghua Holdings, for example, plans to buy a 15% stake in U.S.-based Western Digital.

To date, SageMicro has seen little in terms of U.S. sales. It's been focused on selling to the Chinese government and military.

SageMicro believes its highly dense drives will enable it to sell double whatever competitors have.

"So when...you're able to buy a 5 or 6 or 8TB drive from Samsung, we'll be putting out 20TB drives in the same package," Rutt said.

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It's a good news. Hope this company gain more competence and survive. Market rules.

There are just too many SSD makers in domestic market nowadays. I have already buy 2 pieces of SSD with very good performances to replace HDD this year.
 
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SageMicro's SSDs are also pricy. A 5TB model runs north of $5,000. :woot:

Wow, good luck this isn't breaking into the private consumer US market rofl.:rofl:

Well in all honesty it doesn't seem intended for that in anycase.

SSD is the future, but anything above 2tb is still too pricey imo, hopefully will come down in the next 5 years.
 
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Hmmm

Who has money to blow five thousand on a 5 terabyte ssd? As of now most people are running their operating systems on 120 - 240 Gig ssds and storing everything else on conventional disk drives.

I think a few more years are needed for ssds to be the mainstream and kick out mechanical drives.
 
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Hmmm

Who has money to blow five thousand on a 5 terabyte ssd? As of now most people are running their operating systems on 120 - 240 Gig ssds and storing everything else on conventional disk drives.

I think a few more years are needed for ssds to be the mainstream and kick out mechanical drives.
I have 128 G SSD, nearly as expensive as one TB hard disk drive. :(
 
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Hmmm

Who has money to blow five thousand on a 5 terabyte ssd? As of now most people are running their operating systems on 120 - 240 Gig ssds and storing everything else on conventional disk drives.

I think a few more years are needed for ssds to be the mainstream and kick out mechanical drives.
Businesses do. We are not talking about main street stores but major names like NASDAQ, NYSE, or the rest of the world's major financial centers that moves billion$ per hr. Other companies in other industries like manufacturing or meteorology where large amount of data must move in certain speed in order to keep up with certain computations. You want 'stealth' fighters or more silent submarines ? Fork over the cash for SSDs.

very expensive indeed, but it's worth the price. i have 256 gb samsung ssd for couple of months now and everything run super fast. i'm now only using mechanical drives for storage only..
Here is what I have in my linux box:

sda: boot (ssd 64gb)
sdb: home (ssd 256gb)
sdc: var and tmp (hdd 64gb)
sdd: work (sdd 250gb)
sde: back (hdd 512gb)

I get employee discount for the SSDs. :enjoy:
 
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I know it was Chinese who invented USB disk. I'm not sure about this. Doesn't SSD work the same way as U disk does? Is SSD big version U disk?
 
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If people are ticked off that SSDs are still not comparable in price to traditional spinners, and I am among one of those ticked off, it is because businesses put dibs to all the major SSD makers.

Yes, SSDs are more expensive. But a major component of that price is simple economics, as in supply and demand. If someone buys bulk it is inevitable that the leftovers will be higher price than expected. I will clue you guys in: among all the major SSD makers, at least 20% of the retail price came from that price increase because of the bulk buyers.

Here are my recommendations: Intel, Crucial Technology, or Samsung.

Any of those three are top tier SSDs. Toshiba, despite being the inventor of the NAND cell, has issues with manufacturing processes, which affects long term reliability. I know because we took their NAND products apart and put them under the scanning electron microscope (SEM). Toshiba has higher irregularities in cell structures compares to the other three makers.

NAND products comes in three tiers: One, Two, and Three. :enjoy:

Tier 1 dies are called 'prime' dies and they are sold to major names like Sony or IBM and the buyer do whatever they want with it. They will not touch anything else and they have the cash to pay for Tier 1 products.

Tier 2 dies are dies that lost half of their intended capacity due to manufacturing processes defects. For example, if a die is constructed to be 128gb, but something went wrong in the manufacturing, from fab to probe, repairs reduced usable capacity to 64gb, it will be sold as Tier 2 and will sell to customers like OCZ or PNY.

Tier 3 dies are dies that required so much repairs that if a die was constructed to be 128gb, it probably ended up with only 16gb or less of usable capacity. Customers like OCZ or PNY would also buy them but would not make SSDs out of them. Instead, these Tier 3 products usually end up in those flash thumb drives or put into appliances like 'smart' refrigerators/washers/dryers/etc.

So if you want to go SSD for your PC, go Intel, Crucial Tech, or Samsung.
 
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Hmmm

Who has money to blow five thousand on a 5 terabyte ssd? As of now most people are running their operating systems on 120 - 240 Gig ssds and storing everything else on conventional disk drives.

I think a few more years are needed for ssds to be the mainstream and kick out mechanical drives.

Very true y waste so much money on SSD ? especially when its so expensive , what u stated is very common nowadays to upgrade your system just have a SSD ranging from 128 - 240 GB it will boost the performance of the system and use 2-5 TB portables for storage.

P.S I hate mechanical drives all that heat and vibrations. :sick:
 
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Very true y waste so much money on SSD ? especially when its so expensive , what u stated is very common nowadays to upgrade your system just have a SSD ranging from 128 - 240 GB it will boost the performance of the system and use 2-5 TB portables for storage.

P.S I hate mechanical drives all that heat and vibrations. :sick:
Then go SSD. Odds are very good to excellent that you would be installing Windows 30 on an SSD that you bought for Windows 10. I have SSDs in my main desktop and back up PCs, and in my two laptops. I will never go back to HDDs as my main drives.
 
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Businesses do. We are not talking about main street stores but major names like NASDAQ, NYSE, or the rest of the world's major financial centers that moves billion$ per hr. Other companies in other industries like manufacturing or meteorology where large amount of data must move in certain speed in order to keep up with certain computations. You want 'stealth' fighters or more silent submarines ? Fork over the cash for SSDs.


Here is what I have in my linux box:

sda: boot (ssd 64gb)
sdb: home (ssd 256gb)
sdc: var and tmp (hdd 64gb)
sdd: work (sdd 250gb)
sde: back (hdd 512gb)

I get employee discount for the SSDs. :enjoy:

I was talking about the average dudes, not the 1 percenters.

With 5000 dollars I would spend 220 on an ssd and the rest for groceries, loan repayments and utilities. Like 99 percent of us would.
 
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I was talking about the average dudes, not the 1 percenters.

With 5000 dollars I would spend 220 on an ssd and the rest for groceries, loan repayments and utilities. Like 99 percent of us would.
Am an average dude. Yes, I do have employee discount, but that is only 10% off. Nothing spectacular.

Spinners are dead, essentially, even the makers knows it. Odds are very good to excellent that the 'expensive' SSD you bought today will outlast the HDD you buy tomorrow, or next month, or even next yr. Long term wise, at even today's prices, an SSD is the superior choice in many ways, from speed to reliability, that it is economically better than a spinner. I spent good money on an Intel SLC 32gb and it is still running just fine for nearly 8 yrs. In that time, I had to replace four spinners.

8TB of storage is for Facebook and the likes, not average dudes like us.

Amazon.com: Crucial m4 128GB 2.5-Inch (9.5mm) SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Drive CT128M4SSD2: Electronics

This is not exorbitant.
 
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