Chinese Missiles News & Discussions

[Figaro]

China already has a pretty credible second strike capability. And will keep working on it.
Copying from US DoDs 2017 report to Congress.

I don't know exactly. I'm pretty sure there are more than 4 094's active ... especially given that the 094A has already entered service.

 

[samsara]

China already has a pretty credible second strike capability. And will keep working on it.
Copying from US DoDs 2017 report to Congress.

Thanks, new info to me. The 2017 US DoD Report, but still no mentioning about the DF-41... but they should add in the DF-41 in the 2018 edition anyhow it's a good sign if they comprehend that they cannot decimate the Chinese strategic deterrence by any means, there's simply no way to win militarily without mutual-destruction, except doing some CVBG show-off in peace time, like they are doing now

 

[Dante80]

I don't know exactly. I'm pretty sure there are more than 4 094's active ... especially given that the 094A has already entered service.

Thanks, new info to me. The 2017 US DoD Report, but still no mentioning about the DF-41... but they should add in the DF-41 in the 2018 edition anyhow it's a good sign if they comprehend that they cannot decimate the Chinese strategic deterrence by any means, there's simply no way to win militarily without mutual-destruction, except doing some CVBG show-off in peace time, like they are doing now

Have in mind that this report comes out around May each year, and mostly contains intelligence and info on the developments happening in the year before. So, for this report, most baked and analyzed info comes from 2016.

Moreover, this is the de-classified part of the report. More speculative content using intelligence info is contained on the other part, but that is certainly not publicized.

Lastly, have in mind that objective analysis of capabilities has nothing to do with posturing. If some politician in America says that China is weak and "we will fry them", for example, you have to view this as a part of internal politics, rather than accepted doctrine. If you do ask the USN for example, that is actually contacting the PLAN on a regular basis, the only thing you will hear from them is the exceptional professionalism that they view in PLAN officers and the navys conduct as a whole.

This is also evident in the report (as well as the cooperation between the two navies, btw). Politics is one thing, actual conduct is another.

 

[Cybernetics]

China already has a pretty credible second strike capability. And will keep working on it.
Copying from US DoDs 2017 report to Congress.

China publicly acknowledged 5000 km of the "Underground Great Wall" which was "completed" (likely still on going) more than a decade ago. Georgetown University did an analysis on the program and concluded China had 3000 nuclear warheads due to the scale of the tunnel networks which is likely to be an exaggeration. China maintains a minimum deterrence and the length of the tunnels are needed to cover its large geography, be robust against a strike and be unpredictable in missile launch location.

The tunnel network includes roadway system, rail system and support facilities. During drills, members of the "second artillery" now called "rocket force" live in underground facilities for many weeks at a time.

The underground facilities are occasionally referenced in media. The movie "Sky Hunter" for example was produced in coordination with the Chinese military and were allowed to use military facilities and equipment during filming. During interviews it was said by the PLA official that "we didn't show everything but what we did show reflects reality". This was in reference to the equipment and tactics, thought it's more of a equipment showcase.

@22:52 in the Sky Hunter movie, it showed what looks to be an old declassified underground facility built many decades ago (60s?). It is likely unnetworked with other tunnels,a stand alone facility like the "816 project" which is open for tourism.

Full Sky Hunter movie

Link to Underground Great Wall thread and the Georgetown report:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pla-underground-great-wall-analysis.509270/

 

[Figaro]

China publicly acknowledged 5000 km of the "Underground Great Wall" which was "completed" (likely still on going) more than a decade ago. Georgetown University did an analysis on the program and concluded China had 3000 nuclear warheads due to the scale of the tunnel networks which is likely to be an exaggeration. China maintains a minimum deterrence and the length of the tunnels are needed to cover its large geography, be robust against a strike and be unpredictable in missile launch location.

The tunnel network includes roadway system, rail system and support facilities. During drills, members of the "second artillery" now called "rocket force" live in underground facilities for many weeks at a time.

The underground facilities are occasionally referenced in media. The movie "Sky Hunter" for example was produced in coordination with the Chinese military and were allowed to use military facilities and equipment during filming. During interviews it was said by the PLA official that "we didn't show everything but what we did show reflects reality". This was in reference to the equipment and tactics, thought it's more of a equipment showcase.

@22:52 in the Sky Hunter movie, it showed what looks to be an old declassified underground facility built many decades ago (60s?). It is likely unnetworked with other tunnels,a stand alone facility like the "816 project" which is open for tourism.

Full Sky Hunter movie

Link to Underground Great Wall thread and the Georgetown report:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pla-underground-great-wall-analysis.509270/

Thanks for the video link! As for the Chinese nuclear arsenal, I estimate they have no less than 600 nukes, with the number being probably closer to 800. Minimum deterrence is not enough for China ... it has the money and ability to maintain many more.

 

[星海军事]

I don't know exactly. I'm pretty sure there are more than 4 094's active ... especially given that the 094A has already entered service.

Those so called 094A are nothing more than fantasy.

 

[星海军事]

So what are those then ... another modified variant?

You mean those modified 09IV?

 

[Figaro]

You mean those modified 09IV?

What is their proper designation then?

 

[Akasa]

What is their proper designation then?

I think he's implying that the 09IV with curved sails are actually retrofits of existing boats.

 

[UserUnknown2025]

Near space hypersonic antiship missile

 

[Beast]

What is their proper designation then?

He is talking rubbish. Don’t trust him.

 

[LKJ86]

 

[samsara]

Near space hypersonic antiship missile

Just out in tweet...

“This presentation slide seems going to be real, ship-borne near space hypersonic anti-ship missile.“

https://twitter.com/x/status/987346282439208960

EARLIER @cirr already hinted in other thread:

It looks though progress in the R & D of YJ-XX near-space hypersonic anti-ship missile is faster than expected.

 

[UserUnknown2025]

Just out in tweet...

“This presentation slide seems going to be real, ship-borne near space hypersonic anti-ship missile.“

https://twitter.com/x/status/987346282439208960

Is this navalized DF21d?

 

[Safriz]

China publicly acknowledged 5000 km of the "Underground Great Wall" which was "completed" (likely still on going) more than a decade ago. Georgetown University did an analysis on the program and concluded China had 3000 nuclear warheads due to the scale of the tunnel networks which is likely to be an exaggeration. China maintains a minimum deterrence and the length of the tunnels are needed to cover its large geography, be robust against a strike and be unpredictable in missile launch location.

The tunnel network includes roadway system, rail system and support facilities. During drills, members of the "second artillery" now called "rocket force" live in underground facilities for many weeks at a time.

The underground facilities are occasionally referenced in media. The movie "Sky Hunter" for example was produced in coordination with the Chinese military and were allowed to use military facilities and equipment during filming. During interviews it was said by the PLA official that "we didn't show everything but what we did show reflects reality". This was in reference to the equipment and tactics, thought it's more of a equipment showcase.

@22:52 in the Sky Hunter movie, it showed what looks to be an old declassified underground facility built many decades ago (60s?). It is likely unnetworked with other tunnels,a stand alone facility like the "816 project" which is open for tourism.

Full Sky Hunter movie

Link to Underground Great Wall thread and the Georgetown report:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pla-underground-great-wall-analysis.509270/

The movie is boring because they show J-20 the latest and the second only 5th Generation fighter in the world, being used to kill some ragtag terrorists?