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Chinese general discusses spies, government stays silent - CNN.com

By Steven Jiang, CNN
August 30, 2011 -- Updated 2305 GMT (0705 HKT)

Beijing (CNN) -- China remained quiet Tuesday as a recently leaked video of a Chinese general's candid remarks -- apparently made at a corporate event in March -- on sensitive spying cases continued to draw international attention.

The ministries of defense and foreign affairs have not responded to CNN's inquiries, and numerous phone calls to National Defense University where the general -- Maj. Gen. Jin Yinan -- teaches went unanswered. State media made no mention of the story.

In a clip found on YouTube and smaller video-sharing sites, Jin -- with the help of slides -- presented eight major espionage cases. While some cases had been publicized, others had never been revealed or discussed in detail before, especially those involving senior officers of the normally secretive People's Liberation Army (PLA).

Jin talked about Senior Col. Xu Junping, who once directed the American and Oceanic department of the defense ministry's foreign affairs office but defected to the United States in 2000. Jin said Xu was extremely close to China's top military brass.

"What he gave the Americans was not the number of missiles we had or some other technical details, he told them about the personalities of our leaders and their decision-making habits and processes," Jin said. "These were key intelligence."

Jin said another senior colonel, Wang Qingjian, was caught spying for Japan while serving as a military liaison officer at the Chinese embassy in Tokyo. Wang installed bugs in the offices of the ambassador and the military attaché, Jin said, and opened embassy windows periodically to allow Japanese remote-surveillance equipment to peek inside. Wang was convicted of revealing state secrets to Japan in 2007 and received a suspended death sentence, according to Japanese media. The case went largely unreported in China.

While Jin's remarks may reflect the PLA's growing concern over penetration by Western spy agencies, analysts say there is also internal politics at play.

"The Chinese military is an interest group just like militaries in other countries," said Andrei Chang, a Hong Kong-based military analyst who edits the Kanwa Asian Defense magazine. "He was trying to build a case for increasing outside threat, increasing spying threat so the PLA would receive more support and budget from the top leadership."

The biggest scandal in Jin's presentation was a civilian case involving Li Bin, a former Chinese ambassador to South Korea. Jin said Li started providing intelligence to the South Koreans while in Seoul - and continued doing so after he returned to China and was promoted to special representative on Korean Peninsula affairs.

Jin blamed Li for severely undermining China's strategic interest during the six-nation talks on North Korea's nuclear program.

"Looking around the world, where else could you find a country's ambassador spying for another country?" Jin asked aloud. "Only in our country."

Jin explained that China had to "save face" by sentencing Li to seven years in prison for alleged economic crimes, rather than espionage.

Another humiliating episode centered on Kang Rixin, one of the highest-ranking officials caught for spying, Jin said. Kang, who headed the state nuclear industry group, was once a member of the Party's powerful Central Committee and its disciplinary arm.

When Kang was arrested last year Jin said China's top leader was jolted into action, ordering a thorough inspection of the entire ruling elite.


"The (Communist Party) Secretary-General said we would spare no one in this investigation," Jin said, adding that Kang's life sentence for taking bribes-- instead selling nuclear secrets-- was yet another cover to avoid embarrassing the government.

Other cases Jin mentioned included a senior military officer accused of selling intelligence after being passed over for a promotion; a high-level official executed for long-time spying for Taiwan; another official caught years after he passed sensitive documents to the British during bilateral negotiations over the status of Hong Kong; and a government think-tank scholar who simultaneously worked for five foreign intelligence services for money.

"After decades of economic reforms, we are witnessing the lack of ideological strength and the breaching of our 'spiritual dam' leading to this recent round of betrayal," he warned.

Jin appeared to be addressing employees of China Life, one of the country's largest insurance companies. The corporate logo was prominently displayed in the background and he was introduced by a company vice president. Local news reports indicated the event took place on March 17 this year.

While most of the 2.5-hour lecture focused on the rise of China thanks to the ruling Communist Party's early struggles and recent achievements, the 10-minute portion toward the end on the espionage cases has aroused the most public and media interest.

As of Tuesday afternoon, the clip had been removed from major video-sharing sites in China but could still be found on some local social media pages as well as many overseas sites. User comments on the lecture appeared intact on Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter.
 
Well, the info leaked by Xu Junping is now obsolete, as the leaders have changed.

Kang Rixin is indeed a French spy, and will very much enjoy his long, long prison sentence. Those guys aren't taken friendly in prison.

And of course, the Indian American who sold B-2 engine designs to China, we thank him!
 
Well, the info leaked by Xu Junping is now obsolete, as the leaders have changed.

Kang Rixin is indeed a French spy, and will very much enjoy his long, long prison sentence. Those guys aren't taken friendly in prison.

And of course, the Indian American who sold B-2 engine designs to China, we thank him!

Chinese leaders sold out their country for centuries and continue to do so. From Ming (Opening of The Great Wall), to Qing (BeiYang/Japanese collaborators), to ROC (May4th) and now to communist China (Vladivostok/Mongolia).

It is due to the lack of culture akin to the Japanese "Honor" or the European "Chivalry." Chinese leaders will continue to work for foreign powers against PRC, as that is the only viable method to escape the CCP.
 
Chinese leaders sold out their country for centuries and continue to do so. From Ming (Opening of The Great Wall), to Qing (BeiYang/Japanese collaborators), to ROC (May4th) and now to communist China (Vladivostok/Mongolia).

It is due to the lack of culture akin to the Japanese "Honor" or the European "Chivalry." Chinese leaders will continue to work for foreign powers against PRC, as that is the only viable method to escape the CCP.

A bit of a stretch of topic? Guess among many others Confucius didn't exist? Guess China is only known of as a land full of traitors which is why it is still standing today?

Your Japanese honour is what led to Pearl Harbour, Chivalry what made the Holocaust? I can generalise as well.
 
As of Tuesday afternoon, the clip had been removed from major video-sharing sites in China but could still be found on some local social media pages as well as many overseas sites. User comments on the lecture appeared intact on Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter.

Sadly, most stories told by the article are true, China is full of trators.

But CNN, along with many other western media never quit their bad habit of exaggerating the censorhip system inside China.

First, Xu make that speech at a public occasion where he was promoting his book. I believe all the stories mentiond by Xu will be covered in his book. So there is nothing secretive about these stories at all.


Second, the video of that speech was not removed from Chinese cyberspace at all, CNN was simply lying. The video is available on www.cntv.cn the official website of CCTV (China Central Televison). This is the link http://xiyou.cntv.cn/v-c6fe7af4-cf00-11e0-89a1-001e0bd5b3ca.html
Maybe a little off topic, I am just sick of CNN's little trick.
 
^^ those traitors are oppressed. U cant control people mind. Mind is free. So r people. U see the change in middle east? Its called people power!! Ur govt is called peoples republic, but no power to people!
 
Its called people power!! Ur govt is called peoples republic, but no power to people!

In China, when people protest, chemical factory stopped, railway line moved to elsewhere, corrupted official executed. There are much more similar cases not reported in English media. Definitely, you can still argue: it is not enough.

Tell us what you can do in the world's largest democracy? You are free to protest, but nothing happens. You can vote, but corrupted elites are your only choice. And you can buy a vote with just $2 (100 rupees?). It is cheap.
 
In China, when people protest, chemical factory stopped, railway line moved to elsewhere, corrupted official executed. There are much more similar cases not reported in English media. Definitely, you can still argue: it is not enough.

Tell us what you can do in the world's largest democracy? You are free to protest, but nothing happens. You can vote, but corrupted elites are your only choice. And you can buy a vote with just $2 (100 rupees?). It is cheap.

Don't you know Team Anna will make it all better, just like the teaparty in the US will make it all better there.
 
Chinese leaders sold out their country for centuries and continue to do so. From Ming (Opening of The Great Wall), to Qing (BeiYang/Japanese collaborators), to ROC (May4th) and now to communist China (Vladivostok/Mongolia).

It is due to the lack of culture akin to the Japanese "Honor" or the European "Chivalry." Chinese leaders will continue to work for foreign powers against PRC, as that is the only viable method to escape the CCP.

Mongolia attained independence in 1920 on the ROC's watch and Vladivostok was taken in 1860 under the Qing. The PRC only signed the treaties 30-90 years after they were a reality. In 1949-1979 China's borders only expanded, never contracted; the same occured in 1992-present. As for the period in between... we all know who was ruling back then.
 
I can't figure out for this issue any measure more proper other than playing down; anything related to intelligence, unless in exceptional cases, should be taken care in an unobtrusive manner.
 
Mongolia attained independence in 1920 on the ROC's watch and Vladivostok was taken in 1860 under the Qing. The PRC only signed the treaties 30-90 years after they were a reality. In 1949-1979 China's borders only expanded, never contracted; the same occured in 1992-present. As for the period in between... we all know who was ruling back then.

Many, especially anti-CCP media and KMT in Taiwan, distort the history and fabricate facts to mislead the public and slander CCP. Apparently such propaganda has some audience.

I'm not saying CCP has never distorted history to suit its purpose. But on the territorial issue, I have to agree that CCP has always been stubborn, if not relentless. There's few things easier than claiming territory on the maps, but the hardest part is how to put your foot on it.
 
2/10 for attempting to derail the topic.

Why? He is a great hero. If he could sell the B-2 engine designs to China, imagine what he provided to India before he was arrested? YOU SHOULD BE BOWING DOWN TO HIM FOR HELPING INDIA.
 
Why? He is a great hero. If he could sell the B-2 engine designs to China, imagine what he provided to India before he was arrested? YOU SHOULD BE BOWING DOWN TO HIM FOR HELPING INDIA.

No one sold B-2 engine designs to China. An Indian-American who worked as an insignificant engineer on the B-2 project sold exhaust nozzle designs for cruise missiles to China.

He marketed it to multiple countries including Israel and Germany, but they already had stealthier nozzels. China was the only country which responded...
 
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