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Chinese experts explain why India and Russia jointly develop FGFA

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Russia has announced its priorities for the export of arms where India is the key priority. Currently, Russia and India are jointly developing the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA). Recently, the Indian Air Force reported the plans to purchase more than 200 FGFA fighters.



On October 8, the Indian Air Force organized an exhibition and demonstration flights at the base near New Delhi to celebrate the 79th anniversary of the national Air Force. It was announced that the Air Force would buy 214 FGFAs, including 166 single-seat and 48 twin-seat models. The twin-seat fighters will be manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL). :victory:



Chang Hu, the editor of a military magazine, and his colleague were invited to the studio of the Chinese television CCTV. They answered a number of questions.


What is the FGFA fighter?

It should be a fighter developed in line with the highest world standards. India’s technological base is very weak, therefore Russia would do the bulk of this work. Russia has already developed a prototype aircraft (the T-50 project), which is undergoing flight tests.



Then why can’t Russia sell these fighters to India? Why do they need this joint development?

In fact, the T-50 is still under development. Russia showed the fighter at the MAKS 2011 air show. It was clear that the aircraft’s design is "rough" with a lot of seams and joints. India’s participation can cover a significant share of funding for this project. Currently, India has to make the choice between the two European fighters - Typhoon or Rafale – to buy 126 fighters for the Air Force. Given the difficult economic situation in Europe, India can succeed in "extorting" technologies. For example, these aircrafts have very good avionics and India can become a "consolidator" of European and Russian technologies in the FGFA project.



According to the Indian Air Force, the country hopes to get this fighter as early as 2017, that is, it would take only six years to develop it.

In fact, the entire technological platform of this aircraft will be developed in Russia. However, the T-50 is rather a technology demonstrator and it will take a lot of time to get the real fighter. The Russian Air Force reported this fighter would be adopted in 2015, which is hard to believe. Moreover, if the Indian Air Force gets this fighter in 2017 then India can adopt it even faster that the Russian Air Force. Probably, India will be the second test site for the T-50.



It is known that the USA does not export the F-22, then why does Russia allow another country access to the latest technologies?

I think the first reason is that India poses no threat to Russia. Second, this aircraft’s design is still far from the desired level. The T-50 has on-board equipment but a lot has still to be created, for example, a digital data bus similar to the American 1553B. Russia lags behind in this area but France can share a similar technology with India if the Rafale fighter wins the tender.

So, India can consolidate the French and Russian military technologies in the new fighter. India has a special way of military thinking – it wants to get ready-made products not bothering to develop new ones.



But India will again be dependent on foreign technology ...

I think the participation in the development of modern aircraft would be useful for India since the country needs designing experience. The FGFA project is a rare opportunity to gain experience in this field.



So, can India become the owner of the latest technology?


Yes. It will be a big step forward. India will be one of the few countries in the world with its own fifth-generation fighter.



If all goes as planned, can India surpass the US in the number of heavy fifth-generation fighters?

That’s true.



How will this factor affect the situation in the Asia-Pacific?

India has approved the 11th five-year plan, during which 214 fifth-generation fighters must be adopted. In fact, everything depends on the Indian Air Force funding.



But this period is too short to produce so many fighters.

That’s right.



Another question. Today, India can purchase military systems from Western countries including the United States. But Russian weapons still account for 70% of India’s military arsenal. Why does India continue to prefer Russian weapons?

First, it is because of the relative cheapness of Russian military hardware and equipment. Second, Russia is willing to transfer much more technology than Western countries. India uses this situation to diversify arms purchases thus achieving greater independence in the sources of weapons. For example, India buys the C-130 and C-17 transport aircraft in the United States.


Chinese experts explain why India and Russia jointly develop FGFA | Russia & India Report
 
Very interesting analysis. Shows the Indian interest in weapons from around the world in a different light.

:cheers:
 
i agree with him that India's technological base is weak as compare to western countries or Rusia and china....But present and future Programs like-

Tejas Program
ToT for GE F414
ToT for Su30MKI
TOT for Miraage2000 upgrade
ToT for Mig29 upgrade
ToT for MMRCA
25% work share in R&D of FGFA

Will help HAL in making that Base strong enough for AMCA program and other future projects
 
Good article....it might be even true and there is nothing bad about it as long as those mmrca tot can make fgfa more deadliar.....
 
India has a special way of military thinking – it wants to get ready-made products not bothering to develop new ones.
Why only India every country has special way of military thinking....You know every country can't produce J11{Su27} or F7{Mig 21}....like you
 
Why only India every country has special way of military thinking....You know every country can't produce J11{Su27} or F7{Mig 21}....like you
Yeah they produce these copies just because they can , Can you ? Many countries before China have done it and will continue to do so in the future ... Wars aren't fought on ethical grounds like you think so kindly stop this " Poor me " thinking !
 
The title of thread is wrong Indian is not developing FGFA with Russia, India just providing the money.:sick:
Russia offered PAK-FA to Nigera and Algeria so am not surprised by Indian inductions of 200 or 300 fighters.
 
The title of thread is wrong Indian is not developing FGFA with Russia, India just providing the money.:sick:
Russia offered PAK-FA to Nigera and Algeria so am not surprised by Indian inductions of 200 or 300 fighters.

Delusional much??
 
i think the article is very nicely written but people are forgetting that PakFa project started a decade ago and Russians have developed most of the tech they will put into this jet and now they are including them with every new prototype but still doubt that Russia and India can keep the timeline. As far as Indian contribution to this project is concerned India is capable of contributing 25-30 %. India has a EW system being developed in collaboration Israel for next gen fighter jets which israel was going to put in F35 but now they won't. With the past experience India has developed a few things which is suitable for 5th gen jets and few we are developing although i must agree most of these parts are although better than russian counterparts but are not important components in a fighter jets. Most of the important work will be done by Russia only. India still has some capital with French and Israelis and we can utilize them to involve in JV (Like Kaveri engine which now may be develop into an engine suitable for 5th gen fighter jet) and if MMRCA goes to EF then also we can get some tech from all of them.
 
I think this talk was meant for the consumption of the Chinese. As a lot of them did not know much about this 5th Gen Fighter.
A lot of Indian (and Pakistanis I presume) members knew much abt it anyway..
Well balanced article coming out of CCTV. I have seen their news channel on Sky... Im sure the Chinese who watch that channel regularly have a good indication as to what is going around the world and well informed.. at least they dont have commercials and other crap like our Star News...
"Saas Bahu Saazish" , Jaanbaaz , " chintu ne kaise chor se apni cycle bachiyee" , " Mohalle mein ghus aaya tendua" .. I mean give me a break Star News.
 
"Saas Bahu Saazish" , Jaanbaaz , " chintu ne kaise chor se apni cycle bachiyee" , " Mohalle mein ghus aaya tendua" .. I mean give me a break Star News.
You made my day bro !!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I must watch Star News from now :P
 
In general, pretty good article, but it underestimates how much development Russia has done on the T-50. The S-37 and Mig 1.44 were technology demonstrators. The T-50 is a prototype. I don't know what the author means when he says it is '"rough" with a lot of seams and joints'. If he means that the T-50 doesn't have its final stealth paint, then he is correct. But applying the stealth paint will not cause large delays. The fact that a lot of technology is shared between the Su-35 and the T-50 will make final development relatively smooth in general. Comparing the T-50 to historical Russian aircraft, I would estimate that 2016 is a likely date for it to enter service. 2015 is optimistic but not "hard to believe" as the article says.

Anyways, the keenest observation is that "So, India can consolidate the French and Russian military technologies in the new fighter. India has a special way of military thinking – it wants to get ready-made products not bothering to develop new ones." The Chinese commentator doesn't make any value judgement of this mentality. But this is what I always hate about the Indian technological industry. They don't develop technology of their own. Instead, they buy off the shelf parts from various suppliers and put them together. This is the case with such "indigenous" projects as the Dhruv or Tejas. That way I think joint Indo-Russian projects are pretty good. While India simply customized the Su-30 using various products to create the Su-30MKI, and might do the same with the FGFA considering how late it signed on to the project, it directly contributed to the Brahmos project and is likely to do the same for the Medium Transport Aircraft.
 

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