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Chinese electric car makers once mocked by Elon Musk are flooding Europe with affordable EVs - will they make it to the US?

  • Chinese EV maker BYD surpassed Tesla this year to become largest in the world
  • Nearly 350,000 EVs were imported to Europe in the first six months of 2023
  • Ford and GM are embroiled in their own battle over the use of Chinese batteries
By NEIRIN GRAY DESAI CONSUMER REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

UPDATED: 13:19 BST, 2 October 2023

When Elon Musk was asked in 2011 whether the Chinese electric car maker BYD posed a threat to Tesla, he laughed. But they are the ones laughing now.

'Have you seen their car?' he quipped. 'I think their focus is and rightly should be making sure they don't die in China.'

This year, Shenzhen-based BYD, backed by investor Warren Buffet, surpassed Tesla to become the top-selling EV brand in the world - and is on track to become the first to make more than two million vehicles in one year.


Thanks to generous subsidies from the Chinese government, China is now pumping out more EVs than they know what to do with. Not only are they highly affordable, but they are increasingly advanced.

The allure of these cars has led Europeans to buy them in droves. But US import tariffs - and their exclusion from a popular $7,500 federal tax exemption - have kept them well away from North America.

The BYD Atto 3 is among the most popular Chinese electric cars to have made it onto the European market, where it starts at around $38,000. In China it sells for $20,000


The BYD Atto 3 is among the most popular Chinese electric cars to have made it onto the European market, where it starts at around $38,000. In China it sells for $20,000

Chinese companies exported nearly 350,000 EVs to nine European countries in the first half of this year, according to data from the China Passenger Car Association. This is more than in the entirety of 2022.

Among them is BYD's very popular Atto 3, which is sold for $38,000 in the UK and Europe and just $20,000 in China. But for now it has no future in North America.

Stella Li, a senior vice president at BYD, told Bloomberg in June that trade barriers imposed by the Biden administration were a deal breaker - citing the Inflation Reduction Act.

This states that from 2024 vehicles containing battery parts from 'a foreign entity of concern' will be excluded from the $7,500 tax credit designed to increase the uptake of EVs by Americans. That, of course, includes China.

During Donald Trump's presidency a 27.5 percent tariff was imposed on all cars imported from China. Compared to the US, Europe has been fairly inviting to Chinese manufacturers with tariffs of just 10 percent.

'The US market isn't under our current consideration,' Li told Bloomberg. 'I strongly believe that the IRA may slow down EV adoption in the US.'

In 2021, during a tour of a Ford plant in Michigan where the company began producing its electric F-150 lightning pickup, President Biden told reporters: 'The American auto industry is at a crossroads.'

'The real question is whether we'll lead or we'll fall behind in the race to the future, or whether we'll build these vehicles, and the batteries that go in them, here in the United States or rely on other countries,' he said. 'Right now, China is leading in this race, make no bones about it. It's a fact.'

Chinese EV manufacturers now have an excess auto capacity of about 10 million vehicles a year, Bill Russo, CEO of Shanghai advisory firm Automobility told Reuters this month. That is around two-thirds of all North American output in 2022.

BYD, by far the biggest of the pack, makes a handful of cars including the Yangwang U8 luxury SUV.

The plug-in hybrid makes 1,184 horsepower and will sell for around $140,000 in Europe. Its flagship sedan, Han, will start at $75,000.

William Li, CEO of Chinese EV company Nio, told The Financial Times in July that the US should be more friendly to Chinese industry.

'The world should be more open and stop politicizing business,' he said.

In April, he estimated his company and Chinese peers had a cost advantage of 20 percent over rivals like Tesla - thanks to China's control of supply chains and raw materials.

Nio manufactures the ES7, a 5-seat mid-size luxury SUV, which is due to go on sale in Europe for between $70,000 and $81,000.

MG, once a British sports car brand, has been owned and operated by Chinese company Geely since 2005. In the first half of the year it had the second highest market share increase in Europe.

'The big thing, which accounts for around 80 percent of the Chinese brands' sales in Europe, is MG,' Felipe Muñoz, a senior analyst at consultancy JATO Dynamics, told MIT Technology Review.

'MG is changing the EV game with the MG4 and MG ZS EV,' he said. 'Those cars are really competitive, especially the MG4, which is already outselling cars like the Volkswagen ID3.'

The MG4 starts at $30,000 in Europe, while the ID3 is more than $42,000.

For now, it is uncertain if, when, and how Chinese EVs will enter the North American market. Much will hinge on US policy moving forward.

Biden's attempts to pave the way for American auto makers has not been without controversy, and in June culminated in in-fighting between two of Detroit's three largest firms.

In 2011 Elon Musk dismissed the threat posed to Tesla by the Chinese electric car maker BYD. This year it overtook Tesla to become the largest manufacturer of EVs in the world


In 2011 Elon Musk dismissed the threat posed to Tesla by the Chinese electric car maker BYD. This year it overtook Tesla to become the largest manufacturer of EVs in the world

Ford has long had plans to work with Chinese battery-maker Contemporary Amperex Technology, which is the largest in the world. To do so it proposes a plant in Michigan in which to manufacture batteries.

Its leadership has therefore lobbied for more flexible interpretation of the 'foreign entity' rule which would prevent buyers from enjoying the $7,500 credit.

General Motors executives have called instead for a strict interpretation of the 'foreign entity of concern' rule to prevent such partnerships with Chinese firms.

'This is not about GM vs. Ford,' a GM spokeswoman told The Wall Street Journal. Instead, they said, it's about adherence to the Inflation Reduction Act.

Issues faced by the Chinese EV makers are far from over, and politicians in the European Union are increasingly turning up the heat there too.

Just this month, the European Commission launched an investigation into whether to impose punitive tariffs that would protect EU producers against cheaper Chinese EV imports.

'Global markets are now flooded with cheaper electric cars. And their price is kept artificially low by huge state subsidies,' European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said.

Ensuring those cars can survive in the European market will likely be the main priority of Chinese auto executives for now.

 
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We have been waiting patiently since 2009 for BYD to enter the US market but due to their technology being ready lies they never were able to sell their cars globally and Elon Musk 2 years later was laughing at them for dropping the ball.


Here's is BYD's in 2009 laying out the BS about his electric cars
BYD at 2009 Detroit Autoshow Wang Chuanfu announces expansion into the US market..which has yet to happen 14 years later.

Now Wang Chuanfu announces he's kicking the can down the road yet again.
 
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This year is 2023 and BYD is posing to become the world number on seller. Live with it.

BYD was probably already the top seller in the world for 100% EVs in 2009/2010/2011..not sure who was much competition back then for 100% EVs other than maybe Nissan.

But as for selling cars in the US promises have not been kept.
 
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BYD was probably already the top seller in the world for 100% EVs in 2009/2010/2011..no sure who was much competition back then for 100% EVs other than maybe Nissan.

But as for selling cars in the US promises have not been kept.
BYD Promised nothing, actually Musk trash talked BYD some years ago and now he had to eat his words, BYD is doing amazing job this year and will certainly claim more titles next year.
 
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BYD Promised nothing, actually Musk trash talked BYD some years ago and now he had to eat his words, BYD is doing amazing job this year and will certainly claim more titles next year.

Watch the video again where they said they would be opening a car auto plant in the US (and thanked Warren Buffet for giving them money)...the facilities never happened

BYD showing off the car at the Detroit Auto Show in 2009..and never sold any cars here.
 
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Watch the video again where they said they would be opening a car auto plant in the US (and thanked Warren Buffet for giving them money)...the facilities never happened

US is just one market, you can close your market to BYD forever, but it won't affect BYD's global rise the least.
 
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US is just one market, you can close your market to BYD forever,

Would you stop lying.

We never closed anything to BYD.
BYD has an EV bus plant here that is doing fine.

How an ELECTRIC BUS is Made | BYD Factory Tour​


They never opened up that car plant.

Not in 2011
Not in 2012
Not in 2013
Not in 2014
Not in 2015
Not in 2016
Not in 2017
Not in 2018
Not in 2019
Not in 2020
Not in 2021
Not in 2022
Not in 2023
 
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Would you stop lying.

We never closed anything to BYD.
They have a EV bus plant here that is doing fine.

They never opened up that car plant.

Not in 2011
Not in 2012
Not in 2013
Not in 2014
Not in 2015
Not in 2016
Not in 2017
Not in 2018
Not in 2019
Not in 2020
Not in 2021
Not in 2022
Not in 2023
Close or not, BYD doesn't even care, it's just rising to the top like crazy, live with it.
 
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Close or not, BYD doesn't even care, it's just rising to the top like crazy, live with it.

Glad you can admit you are lying...you guys never do any research for what you post...you just reply as quickly as you can without even thinking...to make sure to quckly blame anybody but yourselves.
 
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Glad you can admit you are lying...you guys never do any research for what you post...you just reply as quickly as you can without even thinking...to make sure to quckly blame anybody but yourselves.
Admit what? I said you can do it, not you did or going to do it. doing it or not, it won't affect BYD's rise to the top the slightest.
 
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Admit what? I said you can do it, not you did or going to do it. doing it or not, it won't affect BYD's rise to the top the slightest.

I have no doubt BYD will sell at least a million+ sub $15K cars to the developing world.

Chinese electric car makers once mocked by Elon Musk are flooding Europe​

But so far BYD has not been doing well in the EU. How many years have they been offering cars like the 100% EV BYD Tang? Since at least July 2021 according to this video.

But where are they on the list?
bydEU.png


Either some big turnaround is needed by BYD or it is time to look for other markets.

Yes maybe this could finally be the year for BYD in the EU with their latest new car models (like the Atto) since their old ones (like the Tang) have been a flop so far.

EUAugust.png
 
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