Chinese company wins bid for the world's 'artifical sun' project

[TaiShang]

Chinese company wins bid for the world's 'artifical sun' project
(People's Daily Online) 17:27, November 10, 2016

On Nov. 7, the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) Organization signed a supply agreement for the design of a steam-condensing tank with China General Nuclear Power Group (CGN). The agreement marks China’s first successful bid for an ITER project.

China joined the bidding in May, and eventually won the bid in September. CGN will take charge of the project. Previously, Chinese companies only joined ITER projects via subcontract bidding.

At the end of the ITER negotiations, the parties reached an agreement on cost estimates and the scale of assessments for the various stages of the ITER program. In the construction phase, China takes over 9 percent of the ITER manufacturing procurement package; currently, China takes 12 packages.

As one of the world’s largest scientific cooperation programs, 35 countries and organizations participate in ITER, including China, the E.U., India, Japan, Russia, South Korea and the U.S. Aimed at examining the feasibility of nuclear fusion to solve the problem of sustainable energy, ITER is working toward an ‘artificial sun.’

Energy obtained through controlled nuclear fusion is similar to that of the sun releasing heat, People’s Daily Online reported earlier in November.

 

[Hareeb]

But is it possible to active an artificial fusion reaction with fission, and use that much energy for useful purposes? What if reaction goes out of control? Its a total destruction for mankind.

 

[TaiShang]

But is it possible to active an artificial fusion reaction with fission, and use that much energy for useful purposes? What if reaction goes out of control? Its a total destruction for mankind.

You never know if you do not try, my friend.

That's the whole point of scientific research and development. If it brings about uncontrollable energy, too bad, second explosive innovation by China after gunpowder.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

But is it possible to active an artificial fusion reaction with fission, and use that much energy for useful purposes? What if reaction goes out of control? Its a total destruction for mankind.

I don't think it could lead to a world-ending event if a fusion reactor went bad, maybe some damage to the local area but that's it.

It will only really be useful if the output exceeds the cost of the input, and to the point where it becomes cost efficient. Unfortunately a lot of these cool new technologies are not cost efficient, and it will be a long while before they reach that stage.

 

[Hareeb]

You never know if you do not try, my friend.

That's the whole point of scientific research and development. If it brings about uncontrollable energy, too bad, second explosive innovation by China after gunpowder.

I wish them to be successful, it would be a great achievement in the history of maykind. But so far its impossible to activate fusion without fission.

I don't think it could lead to a world-ending event if a fusion reactor went bad, maybe some damage to the local area but that's it.

It will only really be useful if the output exceeds the cost of the input, and to the point where it becomes cost efficient. Unfortunately a lot of these cool new technologies are not cost efficient, and it will be a long while before they reach that stage.

Brother, a fusion reaction produces three to four times energy as compared to fission. Nuclear bomb uses fission. If the reaction goes bad, atleast a whole city would be wiped out.
Right. Very high temp and energy is required to activate, and those cooling tech are too expensive, but the outcome is really great. It would cover whole cost of the project.

 

[beijingwalker]

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

I wish them to be successful, it would be a great achievement in the history of maykind. But so far its impossible to activate fusion without fission.


Brother, a fusion reaction produces three to four times energy as compared to fission. Nuclear bomb uses fission. If the reaction goes bad, atleast a whole city would be wiped out.
Right. Very high temp and energy is required to activate, and those cooling tech are too expensive, but the outcome is really great. It would cover whole cost of the project.

No it won't, unlike fission once the power gets shut off the fusion reaction simply shuts off with it, there won't be continued meltdowns or anything comparable to nuclear fission reactor. The fact that you are comparing a fusion reactor to a nuclear bomb and fission reactors means you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Apples and Carrots, apples and carrots.

 

[Hareeb]

No it won't, unlike fission once the power gets shut off the fusion reaction simply shuts off with it, there won't be continued meltdowns or anything comparable to nuclear fission reactor. The fact that you are comparing a fusion reactor to a nuclear bomb and fission reactors means you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Apples and Carrots, apples and carrots.

LOL. im not comparing fusion reactors with fisson reactors. You have absolute no idea what temp and energy is needed to start a fusion reaction, and what amount of high energy is produced during fusion.
Infact till now, a fusion cannot activate without fission.
If you cuts off power during reaction, how will the cooling system work to control reaction?

If you were a scientist, you'd be the bad one.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

LOL. im not comparing fusion reactors with fisson reactors. You have absolute no idea what temp and energy is needed to start a fusion reaction, and what amount of high energy is produced during fusion.
Infact till now, a fusion cannot activate without fission.
If you cuts off power during reaction, how will the cooling system work to control reaction?

If you were a scientist, you'd be the bad one.

Still comparing to nuclear bombs, which I also stated, and fusion has been demonstrated in a fusion reactor without the need of nuclear fission. We just haven't reached the point where more energy comes out than what goes in, there are stability issues that need solved to increase energy output..

A cooling system isn't needed since without power input the temperature automatically drops. Again, comparing with a nuclear fission reactor.

If you were a scientist, you'd be the mad one.

Fixed it.

 

[Hareeb]

Still comparing to nuclear bombs, which I also stated, and fusion has been demonstrated in a fusion reactor without the need of nuclear fission. We just haven't reached the point where more energy comes out than what goes in, there are stability issues that need solved to increase energy output..

A cooling system isn't needed since without power input the temperature automatically drops. Again, comparing with a nuclear fission reactor.


Fixed it.

I think it will depends on the amount of nuclear material. But tell me one thing, when a fusion reaction starts, and energy is produced, and suddenly you cut off the power, where would that energy go?
But you are missing something, they are talking about an artificial sun. Guess what how much energy will be produced.

Bad or mad one, you will never be Einstein.

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

I think it will depends on the amount of nuclear material. But tell me one thing, when a fusion reaction starts, and energy is produced, and suddenly you cut off the power, where would that energy go?
Bad or mad one, you will never be Einstein.

The heat itself would just dissipate (non-radioactive/entropy) the radiation will be inside the reactor, it won't spill out all over the place like the classical Fission Reactor meltdown.

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Best of luck for the totally new thing.

 

[Hareeb]

The heat itself would just dissipate (non-radioactive/entropy) the radiation will be inside the reactor, it won't spill out all over the place like the classical Fission Reactor meltdown.

Oh! Okay then the idea of sustainable energy or use for useful purposes is just useless.Use less amount of nuclear material, cut off the power before much energy is produced so you dont have to cool down reaction and then we are going for an artificial sun. Haha.

You have no clue what you are talking about.