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ref:China's J-20 stealth fighter: 'design is 25 years old' - Telegraph

China's J-20 stealth fighter: 'design is 25 years old'Photographs released on the internet have provoked speculation that China is making rapid progress towards producing a state-of-the-art fighter jet, to compete with the United States, India and Russia.
Photographs on the internet appear to show the aircraft, variously known as the J20 and JXX, taxing along a runway
China 'leaks' pictures of stealth fighter jet test run
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By Praveen Swami 7:30AM GMT 06 Jan 2011 The photographs appear to show the aircraft, variously known as the J20 and JXX, taxiing along a runway.

Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, recently said China would be able to produce a combat jet by 2020, but if the photographs are genuine, it would suggest that it may be able to do so a decade or more sooner.
The photographs come amid growing fears over China's rapidly-expanding military capabilities. Naval experts have expressed concern over the Dong Feng-21D ballistic missile, which is designed to target aircraft carriers in mid-sea – thus denying the United States its traditional military dominance of the Pacific.

Fifth generation fighter jets are so designated because of their ability to evade radar even when carrying armaments, and computer systems which can network with other elements in a battle theatre. The US-manufactured F-22 is the only combat-ready fifth generation fighter.

Experts, however, are warning against drawing conclusions on the basis of the photographs.

Douglas Barrie, an aerospace expert at the International Institute of Strategic Studies, noted that the J20's airframe resembled that of an abandoned Russian prototype, the MiG 1.42.
"I'm not sure that its even much of an impressive airframe," said Richard Aboulafia, another analyst. "It looks like something that might have been designed in 1985."

For the most part, China's combat aircraft programme has lagged behind its competitors in the west and Russia.

China's fourth-generation combat jet, the J-10, appeared in 2006 – but experts say it compares with western aircraft that went into production two decades ago. Beijing has also struggled to develop the Shenyang J-15 carrier-borne jet, reverse-engineered from the Russian-made Sukhoi 33.

China's fifth-generation fighter programme, experts say, faces several critical challenges as it moves forward from prototype stage to actual production.
For example, Chinese avionics – the software-controlled electronic systems which gave modern combat jets their cutting-edge mission capabilities – are believed to be a generation behind their US, European, Israeli and Russian counterparts.
It is also unclear what kind of engine the new Chinese jet will use. Some commentators have suggested that a new prototype engine, the WS 15, will power the J20. The engine, however, is some years away from going into production – and potential foreign suppliers will be cautious about supplying equipment, because of fears over cloning.

Last summer, Russia threatened to cut off supplies of jet engines for China's JF-17, saying it had been cloned from its Sukhoi 27/30 and MiG 29 aircraft – and was being sold for $10 million less than the original.
Illya Kramnik, a Russian expert, said that "despite the strides made by China's aircraft designers in the last 20 years, China has only slightly narrowed the technological gap dividing it from the global leaders."
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could somebody please post that DOUBLE FACEPALM picture here for me..........pretty please...........
 
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Look who wrote the article: Praveen Swami

Some people cannot get rid of their shock and awe on Chinese advancement in defense and technology. Indians for no doubt leading these groups of people.
 
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Indians and Americans as usual.

This century Americans would be crying out loud, for they are in for a rude shock!

Where did indians come in to this?!
Actually if you check it agian, indian memebers are preaising chinese!!
And indian government ordered a study on J-XX like how did chinese manage to do this?
All the credit goes to chinese!! We wish to make our FGFA like this as well!!
I like how all the chinese threads end up being china vs india. Thanks to some 'in sighting' members.
 
Salaam....:coffee:

ref:China's J-20 stealth fighter: 'design is 25 years old' - Telegraph

China's J-20 stealth fighter: 'design is 25 years old'Photographs released on the internet have provoked speculation that China is making rapid progress towards producing a state-of-the-art fighter jet, to compete with the United States, India and Russia.
what state of the art fighter jet has been produced by India?....I mean only two i know of are 1) MKI assembly and subsequent manufacturing under License from SDB 2) LCA (we all know so no comments....)
Photographs on the internet appear to show the aircraft, variously known as the J20 and JXX, taxing along a runway
China 'leaks' pictures of stealth fighter jet test run
ChinaStealth_1797557b.jpg

By Praveen Swami 7:30AM GMT 06 Jan 2011 The photographs appear to show the aircraft, variously known as the J20 and JXX, taxiing along a runway.
Oh, now I got the answer so as to why India was mentioned with giants :lol:
Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, recently said China would be able to produce a combat jet by 2020, but if the photographs are genuine, it would suggest that it may be able to do so a decade or more sooner.
Well we had a lot of debate and i think some of these points were also cited by aviation week in its analysis. But Chinese fora indicate that perhaps today was the median flight date of J-20 so lets see if we get some new pics

The photographs come amid growing fears over China's rapidly-expanding military capabilities. Naval experts have expressed concern over the Dong Feng-21D ballistic missile, which is designed to target aircraft carriers in mid-sea – thus denying the United States its traditional military dominance of the Pacific.
Fifth generation fighter jets are so designated because of their ability to evade radar even when carrying armaments, and computer systems which can network with other elements in a battle theatre. The US-manufactured F-22 is the only combat-ready fifth generation fighter.
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Experts, however, are warning against drawing conclusions on the basis of the photographs.

Douglas Barrie, an aerospace expert at the International Institute of Strategic Studies, noted that the J20's airframe resembled that of an abandoned Russian prototype, the MiG 1.42.
ahem ahem its Mig-1.44, so i guess developing another case to shout "copy copy" :lol: here is a pic, the only case of resemblance is canards and delta shape.
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"I'm not sure that its even much of an impressive airframe," said Richard Aboulafia, another analyst. "It looks like something that might have been

For the most part, China's combat aircraft programme has lagged behind its competitors in the west and Russia.

He can say that when compare to US but even Russia has recently tested its T-50 and considering Chinese aviation in 90s and early 2000s their catchup is still appreciative. Anyways, I do respect the opinion of experts as they have more knowledge about the affairs than me
China's fourth-generation combat jet, the J-10, appeared in 2006 – but experts say it compares with western aircraft that went into production two decades ago. Beijing has also struggled to develop the Shenyang J-15 carrier-borne jet, reverse-engineered from the Russian-made Sukhoi 33.
Agreed again but then again, the catch up of Chinese with the western aviation is still a fact that needs to be appreciated
China's fifth-generation fighter programme, experts say, faces several critical challenges as it moves forward from prototype stage to actual production.
For example, Chinese avionics – the software-controlled electronic systems which gave modern combat jets their cutting-edge mission capabilities – are believed to be a generation behind their US, European, Israeli and Russian counterparts.
please go through J-10/FC-20 thread for some details about J-20 systems which were tested in J-10B. It will be extremely informative about the development of Chinese avionics

It is also unclear what kind of engine the new Chinese jet will use. Some commentators have suggested that a new prototype engine, the WS 15, will power the J20. The engine, however, is some years away from going into production – and potential foreign suppliers will be cautious about supplying equipment, because of fears over cloning.
current engine is rumored to be Russian Al-41F/117S and future will be WS-15 which again, will be tested on J-10B first before being incorporated into J-20

Last summer,Russia threatened to cut off supplies of jet engines for China's JF-17, saying it had been cloned from its Sukhoi 27/30 and MiG 29 aircraft – and was being sold for $10 million less than the original.
:lol: and they still offered SU-35BM to China......Russian acts deny their words. Firstly they said that JFT is close to Mig-29, then they said its cheaper than MIG-29 and fulcrum is way better, then they requested to stop engines and demanded respect of their tech rights and wowed not to export advanced systems to China and then they offered both SU-33 and 35 to China :lol:
Illya Kramnik, a Russian expert, said that "despite the strides made by China's aircraft designers in the last 20 years, China has only slightly narrowed the technological gap dividing it from the global leaders."
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his thoughts, debatable
 
Well,so we can export the bird years later,without misgiving.
 
Another thing... If the 5th generation J-20 is 25 year old technology, what the numerous 4th and 4.5 generation planes developed in Europe. 40+ year old technology?
 
Looks more like an F-35 than anything I wouldn't be surprised if this thing turned out to have VTOL capabilities.
 
Salaam....:coffee:

ref:China's J-20 stealth fighter: 'design is 25 years old' - Telegraph

China's J-20 stealth fighter: 'design is 25 years old'Photographs released on the internet have provoked speculation that China is making rapid progress towards producing a state-of-the-art fighter jet, to compete with the United States, India and Russia.

a stupid article written by a stupid author "parveen". china jets to compete with india? what does india produce, oh right NOTHING. Their pilots are so incomptent that they have crahsed most of the jets in bharat inventory.
 
Indians and Americans as usual.

This century Americans would be crying out loud, for they are in for a rude shock!

Are you also playing a game called Legions:Overdrive?

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China and it's tech!
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I sincerely hope no more this kind of low IQ articles "copied" to this forum.
 

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