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China’s J 10 vs French Rafale - Which would win?

reminds me a lot of Russia I remember in the early 2000's how Russia was considered a considered a peer to NATO and the US I can smell the BS even then
now with the invasion of Ukraine every thing is coming to light
The best way to know if someone is a 'peer' or not is to actually fight. But before, you get deterrence, and deterrence is much like the animal kingdom where you display as much plumage and claws as possible, inflate yourself, make a lot of noise, etc. That is what we are seeing here in this little corner of the internet.
 
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Chinese equipment is it any good?
JF-17 is a joint design and development project between China and Pakistan. It went into enemy territory, completed its mission and landed back against the likes of SU30MKI and Migs protecting the skies.

That should answer your question based on fact.
 
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I think the two planes are evenly matched.

It would depend on factors such as numbers, pilot skill and support assets like AWACs insofar as who comes out on top.
 
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reminds me a lot of Russia I remember in the early 2000's how Russia was considered a considered a peer to NATO and the US I can smell the BS even then
now with the invasion of Ukraine every thing is coming to light

Hi,

The russian issue in Ukraine is primarily of a tactical blunder rather than weapons superiority.

Russia waited for a longtime to attack and that allowed the west to arm Ukraine and train its soldiers.

If russia would have attacked right away---there was not much standing in its way to stop the incursion.
 
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J10 will always have a BVR advantage but it will be only when it's airborne...... So how to Stop it it from being airborne.... A single solution..... BRAHMOS...... Preempt the bases with crazy BRAHMOS before those J10 or F16s take off...... Problem solved.....

Too bad and sad that's not easy as said so no problem solved yet another problem as arised for Iaf !!!!
 
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Too bad and sad that's not easy as said so no problem solved yet another problem as arised for Iaf !!!!
only theoretically possible when you don,t have complete information about your opponents concealed weapons and tactics which might give you another big surprise.
 
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J10 will always have a BVR advantage but it will be only when it's airborne...... So how to Stop it it from being airborne.... A single solution..... BRAHMOS...... Preempt the bases with crazy BRAHMOS before those J10 or F16s take off...... Problem solved.....
AND that is why planes are dispersed during wartime
 
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J10 will always have a BVR advantage but it will be only when it's airborne...... So how to Stop it it from being airborne.... A single solution..... BRAHMOS...... Preempt the bases with crazy BRAHMOS before those J10 or F16s take off...... Problem solved.....

What a very very silly statement - just look at how many missiles the Russians have compared to India and they could not take out the Ukranian Airforce airbases or their aircraft. Just look at how many missiles they have thrown at the UAF... and UAF still flies and a UAF Mig29 shot down a Su35 just a few days ago ...

India has fewer missiles it can throw at Pakistan that Russia has, and Pakistan has far better defences against missiles than Ukraine ever had...
 
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China have been absent from military affairs for about 300 yrs, meaning China have not been a contributor to the science, crafts, and arts of warfare, not matter how much internet Chinese crow about Sun Tzu or the Korean War. But give credit where it is due.

Good => Excellent => Outstanding.

China's efforts at modernizing her armed forces, at the hardware front, have been borderline excellent-outstanding. We are looking from Desert Storm, where PLA leadership was gobsmacked, to today. So we are looking at 30 yrs of hard work to produce hardware that is with decreasing dependency on Russia. That is the weakness of most countries -- their defense must be imported. Those who can build their own can dictate first to their neighbors, then later others far off. The first priority is to build your own, next is to build qualitatively and China is catching up with the West. So to answer your question: Yes, Chinese hardware is good enough to create a credible deterrence.

But the greatest problem for the PLA is on the human front. I pointed this out many times and of course, the PDF Chinese dismissed it. They dismissed it because none of them ever served. None of them know what the military life is like. The problem for the PLA is human corruption, and it is STILL going on today. The worst is the selling of ranks and assignments. This type of corruption is like a cancer. It is deep, entrenched, and much more difficult to exorcise than the real medical cancer. There ARE, not just were, mid to high level officers who demands bribes from subordinates for advancement and favorable, read 'safe', assignments. There are flag officers who make millions from selling military favors. The few who were busted were sacrificial lambs by their peers. They got careless and too greedy. Those who escaped detection now devised better and deeper ways to hide their ill gotten gains deeper and further in foreign countries. The selling of ranks and assignments have incompetent and ill educated officers at all levels of the PLA, and their incompetency WILL manifest in a real war. No amount of shiny new toys can compensate for such bad leadership. Selling a rifle on the black market is not the same thing as selling a grade/rank. The rifle serve another master. The newly promoted officer still serves the PLA but this time, he is over his head.
Let me chime in.

This question, along with the similar line of question usually posted from someone who had no combat experience, or were never serve in the military.

Technological gap mean absolutely nothing to the person who use them in battle. There is a famous saying with the US Marine Crops - "MAKE DO" That is why when you see someone with a tattoo of a 7 and a 2 on their hand, you need to be scare, not when you see whatever shiny toy you got from your government.


War did not fight with technology only, you aren't above the shit even when you are with high tech gadget, and that, only people who were in the shit would know.
 
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Hi,

The russian issue in Ukraine is primarily of a tactical blunder rather than weapons superiority.

Russia waited for a longtime to attack and that allowed the west to arm Ukraine and train its soldiers.

If russia would have attacked right away---there was not much standing in its way to stop the incursion.

1) Waited 8+ years to hit Ukraine giving them enough time to get funds train and arm.
2) Failed to cut of the country from NATO bordering nations that continue to supply Ukraine.
3) Went in half-assed measures and using conscripts rather than professional soliders.
4) Corruption has eroded Russian Armed Forces (This could also be a warning sign to Pakistan Armed Forces as well).
 
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What a very very silly statement - just look at how many missiles the Russians have compared to India and they could not take out the Ukranian Airforce airbases or their aircraft. Just look at how many missiles they have thrown at the UAF... and UAF still flies and a UAF Mig29 shot down a Su35 just a few days ago ...

India has fewer missiles it can throw at Pakistan that Russia has, and Pakistan has far better defences against missiles than Ukraine ever had...

We have way more no of BRAHMOS than Russia having kinzhel, onix, or pj10..... Just look at the numbers of BRAHMOS in India army, navy and now Thanjavar based flankers...... Also Ukraine is a vast country compared to Pakistan hence not easy to attack and destroy all the bases....

In future wars Pakistan will have advantages with superior fighter jets and BVR capacity but India will heavily dependent on BRAHMOS to destroy this J10/F16 threat on the ground itself.....
 
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We have way more no of BRAHMOS than Russia having kinzhel, onix, or pj10..... Just look at the numbers of BRAHMOS in India army, navy and now Thanjavar based flankers...... Also Ukraine is a vast country compared to Pakistan hence not easy to attack and destroy all the bases....

In future wars Pakistan will have advantages with superior fighter jets and BVR capacity but India will heavily dependent on BRAHMOS to destroy this J10/F16 threat on the ground itself.....
Pakistan is larger than Ukraine...
 
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