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September 24, 2009 15:28 IST

D S Rajan, director, Chennai Centre for China Studies, analyses the Chinese reaction over closer India-US political and military ties.


A signed Chinese language article in the Chinese Communist Party's theoretical organ, Qiu Shi (September 14), entitled 'The strengthening of US-India military cooperation will change the strategic situation in South Asia', is noteworthy for its assessment of the situation arising out of the US-India agreements on expanding cooperation in the fields of military, space and civil nuclear power generation, reached in New Delhi [ Images ] during US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's [ Images ] visit (July 19-21).

The article by Chinese analyst Li Qiulin has stated that although the agreements did not mean the birth of an 'alliance' between the two nations, it is clear that both will seek long-term cooperation in military and political spheres.

Noting that India's military had been dependent on Russian arms and later on Israel, it has pointed out that the US has now become the most important source for India's military procurement and that mechanisms to manage the same are gradually emerging.

Highlighting in this connection the involvement of the US Boeing company in India, it has revealed that in the first half of 2009, Washington allowed it to sell to India eight Boeing P-8I long-range maritime surveillance and anti-submarine patrol aircraft for $2.1 billion (about Rs 10,500 crore) -- cost-wise the biggest US military sale to India.

Feeling that the agreements would also lead to more US-India joint military exercises in future, the article has stated that in 2007, during the 'Malabar' exercise, India adopted NATO's operational procedures and that the US permitted the Indian Navy access to its satellite system centre.

Viewing that not only commercial interests, but also those relating to military and politics, would influence arms trade both now and in future, it has argued that the US, enjoying a superior and leading position, will exploit military cooperation for roping in India for the purpose of realising its global and regional strategic objectives.

The US will draw India into its strategic orbit and use it for 'restricting' third countries. Noting that India had a robust economic growth in recent years and has emerged as a new and important rising power in Asia, the analysis has alleged that the US is increasingly focusing on India's big power status and geo-political role and considering the latter a 'strategic partner for changing the Asian power balance'.

Touching on India's military modernisation programme, the article has found that the same is being intensified and the country's expenditure towards arms imports is continuously increasing.

In 2007, India's arms purchase was worth $10.5 billion (about 52,500 crore), 44% of the nation's defence budget. In the next 20 years, India will become one of the biggest arms importers in the world, it has added.

As the Qiu Shi article sees it, the US hopes are for India's playing a partnership role in the regional and international security arena. As Washington realises that it can no longer rely on its own strength to guide the world order, it has come to depend on the strengths of its allies and partners like India.

The US seeks to utilise India's bases, ports and military training facilities for facilitating its activities in Middle East and other regions. Also, through having military cooperation with India, the US will be in a position to master the technology relating to Russian-made weapons and develop remedies to deal with it.

Turning to India, the article has said that New Delhi wants to introduce US advanced military technology to its military and diversify arms supply sources. In this regard, it has mentioned that a beginning to the replacement of Russian equipment by American equipment is already taking place.

Another Indian aim is to use US support for its attaining big power status and maintaining hegemony over the Indian Ocean and South Asia. It has further mentioned that US-India cooperation can lead to their 'unified strategy' on all major regional issues, which can change the strategic situation in South Asia.
Analysis

The fact that the party's top theoretical mouthpiece has found the article suitable for its publication is itself significant, notwithstanding the disclaimer given that the opinions do not reflect Qiu Shi's views and are those of the writer.

The following are important to note:
The Qiu Shi article has mostly concentrated its attack on the US, accusing it of using India to restrict 'third countries'. The People's Republic of China was not specifically named, but the term 'third countries' may allude to China also.

There has been no direct criticism of New Delhi in the write-up, indicating a cautious line towards India. A careful reader could however discern the underlying deep Chinese suspicions in the analysis over India's attitude vis-a-vis China.
In 2007-08, the topic of US-India collusion as part of Washington's regional strategy, had prominently figured in Chinese media comments, particularly targetted against the 'Alliance of Democracies' concept, the India-US-Japan joint military exercise and the India-US civil nuclear cooperation agreement.

After some lull, the theme appears to be surfacing again now, for example following the article in question, a People's Daily signed analysis (September 15) has charged that 'the US is tipping the balance between China and India, wooing India away from Russia [ Images ] and China and feeding India's ambition to match China force for force by its ever burgeoning arms sales to India'. More such comments may follow.
A probable explanation to the Chinese media's harping again on the topic can be that despite a visible improvement in China's ties with the US and India in a contemporary sense, fears in strategic terms, to be more precise on containment of China by the US with the help of allies like Japan [ Images ] and a partner like India, seems to continue unabated in China.

The same appears to be getting reflected in some of the current media comments in China.
Chinese media pronouncements can be understood better, if a close look is given at China's relations with the US as well as India in the framework of two contexts -- contemporary and strategic.

Regarding the first, it can be noticed that the character of Washington-Beijing [ Images ] ties has undoubtedly changed now especially due to the former's financial dependence on China, brought out by the global crisis; symbolising the same are activation of mechanisms like bilateral strategic and economic dialogues and a softening of US posture towards China on key irritants, for example the US now considers that issues like the economy and climate change will take precedence over points of friction like human rights and Tibet [ Images ] (US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Beijing, February).
On its part, China is making suitable responses, for example it has expressed its willingness 'to work with the United States from a strategic and long-term perspective, to enhance dialogue and exchanges, build up mutual trust and cooperation, respect and accommodate each other's core interests and properly handle differences and sensitive issues' (Hu Jintao-Obama talks, London [ Images ], April 1).
Positive changes have occurred in Sino-Indian relations also; the two nations are now looking at the same beyond the border dispute, recognising the global character of their ties and witnessing a big momentum in economic and trade links.

On the other hand, the corresponding picture from a strategic point of view remains complex and less promising. China continues to be wary of US intentions in the Asia-Pacific region including in South Asia; demonstrating the same are the authoritative Chinese statements, for example, Beijing's latest Defence White Paper has described the 'increasing US military presence in Asia-Pacific' as China's 'security concern'.

On emerging US-India ties, Beijing may have been irked by the assertion made by US Defence Secretary Robert Gates at a conclave in Singapore that there is a genuine convergence of US-India interests and that his country would look towards India as a partner for providing security in the Indian Ocean and beyond.

The Qiu Shi article appears to be more categorical than other Chinese media comments in conveying a message: The US-India 'unified strategy' on all major regional issues is possible and that may change the strategic situation in South Asia. This shifts the focus on indications to China's possible counter moves in the future.

Mention of India's ambition to maintain its hegemony over the Indian Ocean and South Asia no doubt has precedence. However, the fact that the party journal has carried the same necessitates an examination of it from the point of view of policy perspectives emerging in China to deal with such ambition.

Overall, Chinese media comments had been saying that India as a sovereign nation with a nationalistic population, will not succumb to American pressures on it to join the US camp against China and instead will continue its friendship with China; but such views do not find a place in the write-up of the party organ. Is it an inadvertent omission or indications of China's doubts on this account?

China worried over US-India military cooperation: Rediff.com news
 
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Its obvious china worried alot over indo-us military ties. India buys 1 quality expensive jet fighter and to answer it china builds 3 cheap jet fighters. Who is gaining? Ofcours its india. We spend less fuel in 1 jet fighter while china spends 3 times more. The more india and america comes close the more china will get worry. As i said india's military pick time starts from 2011 and within 5years india would be 3 times more powerful. Its just a baby step by indo-us. More top weapons will get through india. Just wait and watch.
 
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well said buddy
may be this is one of the reasons for the border incursions:)
 
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well said buddy
may be this is one of the reasons for the border incursions:)

May be the other way around concerning US-India military

cooperation;

China using this excuse to further massive military build up without

worried about China threat rant ? :smitten::pakistan::china:
 
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May be the other way around concerning US-India military

cooperation;

China using this excuse to further massive military build up without

worried about China threat rant ? :smitten::pakistan::china:

China already has a huge GDP invested into defense. Do you really think China can increase the defense budget based on this because there is lot more to develop in rural areas?

I think I am not sure if China was already criticized for the amount of GDP share they have invested into defense. Chinese friends can enlighten on this. Will it be justified or is China on the state that they can increase the GDP share to defense?

PS: I mean percentage share of GDP.
 
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here is the original one, if indian don't know chinese ,use google,stop making news,shame on your media

美印加强军事合作改变南亚战略格局

时间:2009年09月14日 14时20分 来源:学习时报 作者:李秋林    
字号:『 大字体 中字体 小字体 』


  今年7月19日―21日,美国与印度在有关扩大军事国防基础、太空和民间核电站建设的科技合作方面达成了共识,签署了有关协议,并禁止印度将美国的技术转让给第三国。虽然签署协议并不意味着两国军事政治联盟的诞生,但却表明两国将谋求在军事政治领域的长期合作。路透社有文章认为“美国寻求与印度更紧密的战略关系”, “当印度与苏联几十年的亲密关系结束后,近年来开始向华盛顿靠近,标志是新武器买卖和联合军演”。

  长期以来印度的军事装备一直依赖俄罗斯,随着印度经济迅速增长,迫切希望升级前苏联时代的军备,从而使印度成为世界最繁荣的武器市场之一。近几年,以色列成了印度重要的军事合伙人,现在,美国成了印度最重要军事拍档。美印军事关系取得快速的发展,主要表现在以下几个方面:两军高层军事磋商与合作逐步机制化,例如,美印研究商讨签订双边后勤支援协定,未来两国将在互利互惠的基础上为对方军队提供各种后勤保障,也就是说,未来两国将可以在全球任何需要的地点互“借”对方的军事装备,而不必从本土进行远程运送;联合军事演习规模扩大,在2007年“马拉巴尔”演习期间,印度采用了北约的作战程序,美国允许印度海军进入其中心卫星系统,使双方舰艇能相互交换音频、视频数据;美国对印军售质量数量升级,今年上半年,美国政府已经批准波音公司的对印军售计划,波音公司向印度出售8架P-8I远程海上监视和反潜巡逻机,总价值21亿美元(约合人民币140亿元),这是迄今价值最高的一项美国对印军售计划。

  很明显,现在和将来的武器交易追求的不仅是商业利益,更是以军事政治为导向。美印加强军事合作是各取所需,在美印军事关系中,美国处于强势、主动的地位,试图利用军事合作来拉拢影响印度,实现其全球和地区战略目标。美将印度崛起纳入其战略轨道,利用印度制衡第三国。近年来,印度经济增长强劲,成为亚洲一支重要的新崛起的力量,美国日益看重印度大国地位和地缘政治作用,将印度视为改变亚洲力量对比的战略伙伴。美重点抢占印度军火市场,近年来,印度加紧军事现代化建设,用于军事装备进口的开支不断增加,仅2007年,印度军购高达105亿美元,占国防预算总额的44%。据估计,未来5年印度用于军事现代化的开支将达600亿美元,未来20年印度将是世界上最大的军火进口国之一。

  美国希望争取印度在地区和国际安全事务中发挥伙伴作用。由于美长期过度战略扩张及世界多极化的发展,美国依靠自身力量主导世界秩序已力不从心,因此需要借助盟国和伙伴的力量,美防务战略的一个主要目标是建设所谓的“伙伴能力”,让“新的伙伴协助它完成令人气馁的战略任务”。美寻求能够使用印度的基地、港口及军事训练场所,印度的基地及港口将使美军在中东及其他战略要地采取行动更为便捷。印度有从冰雪覆盖的高山到异常炎热的沙漠等各种地形,这对国内训练场地日渐减少、军事演练争议日增的美军来说很有市场。当前,美国迫切希望通过与印度的军事合作能够掌握俄制武器装备性能,找出应对方法,印度军队的武器装备主要来自俄方,且新式俄制装备所占比例相当高。对美军来说,在主要以俄制装备军队为假想敌的今天,它可以通过与印度军队的共同演练来摸清俄制装备的性能,找出对付它们的办法。对印度而言,也希望通过引进美国先进军事技术,增加印度武器进口的选择余地,借助美国提升大国地位,维持印度在印度洋和南亚的霸主地位。

  印度学者曾撰文指出:“美国利用印度,达到全球战略平衡,保持亚洲主导地位;印度也利用美国的战略需求,在军事和经济上发展自己”。7月20日签署的这些协议意味着印度军队已经开始将美国装备取代俄制装备,美印两国商定将就重大地区问题制定统一战略,这些都将可能改变南亚的战略格局。俄罗斯《独立报》刊登俄罗斯科学院国际问题首席研究员阿列克谢·费年科的文章认为:如今,美国将可能染指印度所有的边界争端和军事行动,美国武器甚至是顾问将出现在印度的军队中。
 
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China already has a huge GDP invested into defense. Do you really think China can increase the defense budget based on this because there is lot more to develop in rural areas?

I think I am not sure if China was already criticized for the amount of GDP share they have invested into defense. Chinese friends can enlighten on this. Will it be justified or is China on the state that they can increase the GDP share to defense?

PS: I mean percentage share of GDP.

Here the official report ;

China's National Defense in 2008

Eventhough there are a chart from WIKI. for the whole world, you

know since you don't trust WIKI, but i will post it anyway.

List of countries by military expenditures - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia :smitten::pakistan::china:
 
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Buddy Chinese defense budget is far ahead compared to that of India so even china increases it further impact on India is same.:cheers:
 
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嘘……

这里的华人同胞千万别翻译成英语哦!!!

我们害怕的其实不是美国,是印度……:cheesy:

你们可千万千万别告诉印度人哦……
 
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here is the original one, if indian don't know chinese ,use google,stop making news,shame on your media

美印加强军事合作改变南亚战略格局

时间:2009年09月14日 14时20分 来源:学习时报 作者:李秋林    
字号:『 大字体 中字体 小字体 』


  今年7月19日―21日,美国与印度在有关扩大军事国防基础、太空和民间核电站建设的科技合作方面达成了共识,签署了有关协议,并禁止印度将美国的技术转让给第三国。虽然签署协议并不意味着两国军事政治联盟的诞生,但却表明两国将谋求在军事政治领域的长期合作。路透社有文章认为“美国寻求与印度更紧密的战略关系”, “当印度与苏联几十年的亲密关系结束后,近年来开始向华盛顿靠近,标志是新武器买卖和联合军演”。

  长期以来印度的军事装备一直依赖俄罗斯,随着印度经济迅速增长,迫切希望升级前苏联时代的军备,从而使印度成为世界最繁荣的武器市场之一。近几年,以色列成了印度重要的军事合伙人,现在,美国成了印度最重要军事拍档。美印军事关系取得快速的发展,主要表现在以下几个方面:两军高层军事磋商与合作逐步机制化,例如,美印研究商讨签订双边后勤支援协定,未来两国将在互利互惠的基础上为对方军队提供各种后勤保障,也就是说,未来两国将可以在全球任何需要的地点互“借”对方的军事装备,而不必从本土进行远程运送;联合军事演习规模扩大,在2007年“马拉巴尔”演习期间,印度采用了北约的作战程序,美国允许印度海军进入其中心卫星系统,使双方舰艇能相互交换音频、视频数据;美国对印军售质量数量升级,今年上半年,美国政府已经批准波音公司的对印军售计划,波音公司向印度出售8架P-8I远程海上监视和反潜巡逻机,总价值21亿美元(约合人民币140亿元),这是迄今价值最高的一项美国对印军售计划。

  很明显,现在和将来的武器交易追求的不仅是商业利益,更是以军事政治为导向。美印加强军事合作是各取所需,在美印军事关系中,美国处于强势、主动的地位,试图利用军事合作来拉拢影响印度,实现其全球和地区战略目标。美将印度崛起纳入其战略轨道,利用印度制衡第三国。近年来,印度经济增长强劲,成为亚洲一支重要的新崛起的力量,美国日益看重印度大国地位和地缘政治作用,将印度视为改变亚洲力量对比的战略伙伴。美重点抢占印度军火市场,近年来,印度加紧军事现代化建设,用于军事装备进口的开支不断增加,仅2007年,印度军购高达105亿美元,占国防预算总额的44%。据估计,未来5年印度用于军事现代化的开支将达600亿美元,未来20年印度将是世界上最大的军火进口国之一。

  美国希望争取印度在地区和国际安全事务中发挥伙伴作用。由于美长期过度战略扩张及世界多极化的发展,美国依靠自身力量主导世界秩序已力不从心,因此需要借助盟国和伙伴的力量,美防务战略的一个主要目标是建设所谓的“伙伴能力”,让“新的伙伴协助它完成令人气馁的战略任务”。美寻求能够使用印度的基地、港口及军事训练场所,印度的基地及港口将使美军在中东及其他战略要地采取行动更为便捷。印度有从冰雪覆盖的高山到异常炎热的沙漠等各种地形,这对国内训练场地日渐减少、军事演练争议日增的美军来说很有市场。当前,美国迫切希望通过与印度的军事合作能够掌握俄制武器装备性能,找出应对方法,印度军队的武器装备主要来自俄方,且新式俄制装备所占比例相当高。对美军来说,在主要以俄制装备军队为假想敌的今天,它可以通过与印度军队的共同演练来摸清俄制装备的性能,找出对付它们的办法。对印度而言,也希望通过引进美国先进军事技术,增加印度武器进口的选择余地,借助美国提升大国地位,维持印度在印度洋和南亚的霸主地位。

  印度学者曾撰文指出:“美国利用印度,达到全球战略平衡,保持亚洲主导地位;印度也利用美国的战略需求,在军事和经济上发展自己”。7月20日签署的这些协议意味着印度军队已经开始将美国装备取代俄制装备,美印两国商定将就重大地区问题制定统一战略,这些都将可能改变南亚的战略格局。俄罗斯《独立报》刊登俄罗斯科学院国际问题首席研究员阿列克谢·费年科的文章认为:如今,美国将可能染指印度所有的边界争端和军事行动,美国武器甚至是顾问将出现在印度的军队中。


Wahat the hell

where is china worried ?
 
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sir it would be nice if our chinese friends can use translator to translate and then post it. Chinese is same for Indians same as Hindi for Chinese friends....
 
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Translation


US-Indian military cooperation to change the strategic situation in South Asia

Time: at 14:20 on September 14, 2009 Source: Learning Times Author: Li Qiulin

July 19 -21 this year, the U.S. and India in the expanding military defense base, space and civil nuclear power plant construction reached a consensus on scientific and technological cooperation and signed the relevant agreements, and to prohibit the transfer of technology in India will be the United States to third countries. Although the agreement does not mean that the birth of military and political alliance between the two countries, but it shows that the two countries will seek a long-term military and political cooperation in the field. Reuters There is an article that "the United States and India seek closer strategic relationship", "When India and the Soviet Union for decades after the end of a close relationship in recent years, Washington began to close, marking a new arms sales and joint military exercises."

India's military equipment has long been dependent on Russia, with India's rapid economic growth, are eager to upgrade Soviet-era armaments, thus making India the world's most prosperous arms markets. In recent years, Israel has become an important military partner in India, and now the United States has become India's most important military partner. US-Indian military relations have made rapid development, mainly in the following areas: high-level military consultations and cooperation with armed forces and gradually mechanism, for example, discuss the signing of a bilateral US-India study of logistics support agreement, the two countries will be on the basis of mutual benefit for each other to provide a variety of military logistical support, that is, the two countries will be able to place anywhere in the world need each other "borrowing" each other's military equipment, without having to conduct long-range transport from their home; scale joint military exercises in 2007 "Malabar" exercise period, India's use of NATO's operational procedures, the United States to allow the Indian Navy access to its central satellite system, so that they can ship the exchange of audio, video, data; the United States to upgrade quality and quantity of arms sales to India, in the first half of this year , the U.S. government has approved arms sales to Boeing's plans for India, the Boeing Company to sell India eight P-8I long-range maritime surveillance and anti-submarine patrol planes, the total value of 2.1 billion U.S. dollars (about 14 billion yuan), which is by far the value of the highest in India and a U.S. arms sale plan.

Obviously, the present and future of the arms trade is not only the pursuit of commercial interests, but also based on military and political orientation. The US-India to strengthen military cooperation is what they need, in the US-Indian military relations, the United States in a strong, active status, trying to influence the use of military cooperation to rope in India to achieve its global and regional strategic objectives. The United States will India's emergence into its strategic orbit, the use of checks and balances in India a third country. In recent years, India's strong economic growth has become an important emerging Asian power, the United States are increasingly focusing on India's great power status and geo-political role will be to change the Asian balance of power in India as a strategic partner. Focus on India, the United States to seize the arms market in recent years, India has stepped up military modernization, spending for military equipment imports increased in 2007 alone, India's arms purchase up to 10.5 billion U.S. dollars, accounting for 44% of the total defense budget. It is estimated that in the next five years, India's spending for military modernization will reach 60 billion U.S. dollars in the next 20 years, India will be the world's largest arms importing states.

United States hopes to reach out to India in regional and international security affairs, to play a partnership role. As the United States over the long-term strategy for expansion and the development of a multipolar world, the United States to rely on their own strength to dominate the world order has been inadequate, and therefore need to draw the power of allies and partners, the U.S. defense strategy, a major goal is to build the so-called "partnership capacity", so that "The new partner to help it complete the daunting strategic task." The United States to seek to use India's bases, ports and military training sites in India will allow the U.S. military bases and ports in the Middle East and other strategic places more convenient to take action. India has from the snow-covered mountains to the extreme heat of the desert and other all-terrain, which is declining domestic training ground for military exercises for the U.S. military disputed the growing market place. At present, the United States eager to military cooperation with India able to master the Russian-made weapons and equipment, and to find remedies, the Indian army's weapons and equipment, mainly from Russia, and the new Russian-made equipment, the ratio is quite high. The U.S. military is, in the mainly Russian-made equipment of the army as the imaginary enemy today, it can be shared with the Indian military drill to find out the performance of Russian-made equipment to find ways to deal with them. For India, also hopes to introduce the U.S. advanced military technology, to increase India's arms imports to choose from, great-power status with the United States to enhance and maintain India in the Indian Ocean and South Asia's dominance.

Indian scholars have written that: "The United States uses in India, to achieve the global strategic balance and maintain a dominant position in Asia; India also made use of the U.S. strategic needs in military and economic development of their own." July 20 signing of these agreements means that the Indian army has already begun to replace the United States equipped with Russian-made equipment, the United States and India agreed on major regional issues will formulate a unified strategy, which are likely to change the strategic situation in South Asia. Russia's "Independent" published on international issues, chief researcher at the Russian Academy of Sciences, Alexei Fei-year subjects of articles that: Today, the United States will likely encroach on India's border disputes and all military operations, U.S. military advisers will even appear in the Indian army in.
 
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