‘China won’t let India gain entry into NSG’

[rubyjackass]

China has assured that if India is allowed to get the membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) it will go all out to ensure that Pakistan also joins the group.

The assurance was given to Islamabad during the visit of a high-level delegation headed by President Mamnoon Hussain to Beijing recently.

“The issue was discussed at length and Pakistan highlighted its point of view saying that it has equal right to join the group for fulfilling its requirement for peaceful use of nuclear technology,” diplomatic sources told.


http://tribune.com.pk/story/999286/china-assures-pakistan-of-help-to-join-nuclear-suppliers-club/

Do you have anything which says otherwise?

India already has an NSG waiver. Fuel supply is assured for existing or planned projects already. With more countries like Australia yet to even seal deals for more fuel. India's entry into NSG is only a bonus. There is no reason to expend political capital at this point for such a symbolic move. When things are quietly happening your way, there is not need to make headlines. Slowly but surely India will work its way in.

 

[Pandora]

What will anyone gain by blocking access of indian in NSG. NSG has already become a laughing stock and a joke ever since they voilated their own laws and allowed india access to nuclear technology. NSG should be discolved all together and world should be rid of this stupid joke in the name of global security.

China won’t let India gain entry into NSG

but how india makeing still nukes

Dude instead of Embarasing yourself go do some research on word NSG and how much relevance it has to nukes.

 

[Pandora]

well question is still there how we still makeing nukes? describe me i m not too oversmart in this kind of things..i can only make video games

Dude how is Pakistan making nukes or how is india making nukes is not relevant to NSG. NSG merely regulates flow of nuclear technology which is used only for civilian applications. India is making nukes bcz it has dedicated nuclear power plants for such a role and same goes to pakistan.

 

[Pandora]

so india civilian applications is not good.??? i dont know anything about it describe it

No but it will be like comparing Tejas 0f India which Rfale of France. West no doubt is far ahead in term of technology.

 

[Djinn]

So you accept that what is being claimed here is totally uncorroborated. That would be correct.

What do you think the following quote means?

"However, a decision on the inclusion of non-NPT states shall be made based on consensus of all NSG members after thorough discussions in accordance with relevant rules. China's position applies to all non-NPT states instead of targeting any specific country,"

No i don't accept that because unlike you i don't need reconfirmation. If a state's officials are saying something then it's not without a reason.
The extract you provided in your post isn't clear enough, as we really don't know what China's position is. The same way the US beats the drums around the world for non- nuclear proliferation but turns a blind eye when its allies proliferate and amass nukes.

 

[VCheng]

we really don't know what China's position is.

That is exactly my point. Thank you for confirming it again.

 

[Djinn]

That is exactly my point. Thank you for confirming it again.

LOL Talk about trying to catch at the straws. That was in response to the extract you provided-----China's position vi-a-vis non NPT states. Pakistan is non NPT signatory but China wants to have nuclear trade with Pakistan but same doesn't apply to India..........That's why i said that the extract you provided didn't clear things from China's position. Gosh!!!!

 

[VCheng]

LOL Talk about trying to catch at the straws. That was in response to the extract you provided-----China's position vi-a-vis non NPT states. Pakistan is non NPT signatory but China wants to have nuclear trade with Pakistan but same doesn't apply to India..........That's why i said that the extract you provided didn't clear things from China's position. Gosh!!!!

Please note that the extract is from the link that you quoted to clarify China's position, which you then admitted above that it did not clear it at all. It's okay, I think I have proven my point. Let us what China will do in this regard. We will know soon enough. In the meantime, its annual trade with India will increase to over $100 billion annually.

 

[Djinn]

Please note that the extract is from the link that you quoted to clarify China's position, which you then admitted above that it did not clear it at all. It's okay, I think I have proven my point. Let us what China will do in this regard. We will know soon enough. In the meantime, its annual trade with India will increase to over $100 billion annually.

Chinas position on India and other states is quite different--------What is so hard to not get here? Trying to jumble up things and then creating something out of own bias proves nothing except the extent of subjectivity involved. Sorry to say but the point you are trying to make lacks rationale and historical perspective. If you want some well grounded facts behind China's opposition go through the following material.

"China’s opposition to the “waiver” was much more formidable. After all, India is a longtime strategic rival and the US geo-political establishment, including figures in and around the Bush administration, has trumpeted a strategic partnership with India as a pivotal element of Washington’s efforts to contain, and if necessary, confront China.


China had repeatedly voiced reservations about the US’s call for India to be given special status within the nuclear regulatory regime. But, presumably hoping the Indo-US scheme would unravel due to either domestic opposition in India or the US or because of opposition from other states concerned about non-proliferation, China did not categorically come out against the lifting of the nuclear embargo on India.


That apparently changed in the run-up to the NSG meeting. On September 1, the Chinese Communist Party’s People’s Daily published an opinion piece that denounced the Indo-US nuclear treaty. “Whether it is motivated by geopolitical considerations or commercial interests,” declared the article, “the US-India nuclear agreement has constituted a major blow to the international non-proliferation regime.”


The Indian media, reflecting the sentiments of Indian government and officials, has accused China of encouraging the smaller powers in their opposition to the waiver. What is known is that late on the evening of September 5, after the opposition from the smaller countries had crumbled, the Chinese delegation withdrew from the NSG deliberations. As decisions at the NSG are by consensus, the Chinese withdrawal threatened to prevent adoption of the waiver.


It was at this point that Bush telephoned his Chinese counterpart Hu and India reportedly sent Beijing a demarche protesting the Chinese stance.


Ultimately the Chinese negotiators returned to the NSG negotiations and, when the waiver came to a vote, abstained, thereby allowing it to be considered carried by consensus.


According to a report in the September 12 Times of India, “It required considerable effort by both New Delhi and Washington to get Beijing to change its position. What perhaps forced China to withdraw the hand it had so impetuously shown was that it did not want to be seen as the only NSG member styming (sic) the waiver which would allow India to re-engage in nuclear cooperation with the rest of the world.”


China’s opposition unnerved the Indian elite to such an extent that the Indian government lashed out at China even after obtaining the waiver. Indian National Security Advisor M. K. Narayanan told a television channel Sept. 6, “The (Chinese) Foreign Minister will come here and we will of course express some kind of disappointment. We will say we did not expect this from China.”


India’s “disappointment” was reportedly one of the main subjects of discussion when


Pranab Mukerjee and his Chinese counterpart, Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi, who began an official visit to India September 7, met up.


Sino-Indian relations have been strained since they fought a border war in 1962. Not long thereafter China emerged as a pivotal ally of Pakistan; indeed, the Pakistani elite routinely refer to China as their “all weather friend.”


In recent years there has been a thaw in Sino-Indian relations. Sino-Indian trade now surpasses that between Indian and the US. But the two countries are competing for foreign investment, oil and other natural resources, and influence in South, Central and South-East Asia.


China’s overriding concern, however, is not with India per se, but rather with the emerging Indo-US partnership and Washington’s obtrusive drive to harness India to its strategic ambitions in the Middle East and Central Asia and use a rising India as a “counterweight” to China.


It will not have passed unnoticed in Beijing that the US has repeatedly used the prospect of the Indo-US nuclear deal to pressure India to follow its lead in IAEA deliberations about Iran. Nor that one of the major goals of the US is to develop military inter-operability with India."
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/09/nucl-s17.html

This isn't from a Pakistani source so that should clear a few things for you. I am not saying that China wont allow India into the NSG but given the Sino-India relations, it's appears that China will block, especially if it has been giving assurances to Pakistan.

 

[VCheng]

I am not saying that China wont allow India into the NSG but given the Sino-India relations, it's appears that China will block, especially if it has been giving assurances to Pakistan.

You mean the assurances that Pakistan is claiming, but not confirmed by China itself?

 

[Djinn]

You mean the assurances that Pakistan is claiming, but not confirmed by China itself?

Why would China state the obvious and something that was discussed at a bilateral level? Just because Pakistan is claiming something doesn't mean it's not true. Let's see what the future holds. At the mean time Pakistan will keep on pushing it's nuclear weapons program at a staggering rate and let the US and it's cronies get the jitters.

 

[VCheng]

Why would China state the obvious and something that was discussed at a bilateral level? Just because Pakistan is claiming something doesn't mean it's not true. Let's see what the future holds. At the mean time Pakistan will keep on pushing it's nuclear weapons program at a staggering rate and let the US and it's cronies get the jitters.

Sure, let's see what China does when it is time to act.

 

[Yousafzai_M]

You mean the assurances that Pakistan is claiming, but not confirmed by China itself?

Where do you see Pakistan claiming anything? does the OP speak for Pakistan? or that retired ambassador?