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I respectfully disagree with Brahma Chellaney in his June 25 article, "Dancing with the dragon." As a center-left American, I agree with President Barack Obama's approach to China and would prefer that he go further. If any country is likely to become the next superpower, it is China. It is ahead of India in gross domestic product, economic power, agricultural production, manufacturing, science (papers published and scientists produced), and technology (patents and engineers graduated).

To make things worse, China is pulling ahead of India in military technology (e.g., stealth aircraft, phased array radar, cruise and ballistic missiles, and directed energy weapons), semiconductors, computers, biotechnology and nanotechnology. China is also acquiring natural resources outside of China like a vacuum and already rivals the U.S. as a polluter. Should we not deal with China now before things get out of hand?

China is probably one of the most secular countries in the world and, compared to India, is more tolerant of different religions as long as you register with the state. This feature fits nicely with American values. The only problem, of course, is that China is NOT a democracy. But we have had alliances with a Meiji Era emperor, the shah of Iran, military dictatorships and states that were democracies in name only. The fact is that China will eventually become a democracy, though that may take decades.

We should work with China and treat it with respect; develop relations with the Communist Party, the People's Liberation Army, the state-owned enterprises, the universities, and the science and engineering academies; and keep trading. Over time the relationship will evolve into a true partnership.

There is no reason to turn a competitor into an enemy by "balancing" China's neighbors against it. Historically, ANY rising power reacts as an enemy when other nations band together to try to "manage" its rise.

For its part, India should focus on helping the U.S. in Pakistan and Afghanistan and forget about forming or joining an anti-Chinese coalition.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/rc20090702a5.html

Covering at least 1.5 billion people across India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Maldives and Afghanistan, the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation is one of the largest regional organizations in the world. But its achievements so far have been so minimal that even its constituents have become lackadaisical in their attitudes toward it. The state of regional cooperation in South Asia can be gleaned from the fact that Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani went to Bhutan via Nepal, using Chinese territory in Tibet rather than the straightforward route through India.

For long, the dominant narrative of SAARC has been how the India-Pakistan rivalry hampers the group's evolution into something significant. That is now losing salience amid China's growing dominance of the South Asian landscape.

China entered SAARC as an observer in 2005, supported by most member states; India could do little about it and so acquiesced. Now, much to India's consternation, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal are supporting China's full membership in SAARC. China's rising profile in South Asia is not news. What is astonishing is the diminishing role of India and the rapidity with which New Delhi is ceding strategic space to Beijing on the subcontinent.

Even as China becomes the largest trade partner of most states in South Asia, including India, New Delhi is busy repeating the old mantra of South Asia being India's exclusive sphere of influence.

Of course, no one takes note of that anymore. Pakistan's all-weather friendship with China is well-known, but the reach of China in other South Asian states has been extraordinary. Bangladesh and Sri Lanka view India as more interested in creating barriers against exports than in spurring regional economic integration. India's protectionist tendencies have allowed China to don the mantle of regional economic leader. Instead of India emerging as the facilitator of socio-economic development in Sri Lanka, Nepal and Bhutan, it is China's developmental assistance that has impact.

India's attempts to keep China out of the subcontinent have clearly not worked, and it's time to re-evaluate its South Asia policy. China's strategy toward South Asia is premised on encircling India and confining her within the geographical coordinates of the region. This strategy of using proxies started with Pakistan and has gradually evolved to include other states in the region, including Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Nepal. China is entering markets in South Asia more aggressively through trade and investment, improving linkages with South Asian states through treaties and bilateral cooperation.

Yet, there is no hope for regional economic cooperation in the absence of Indian leadership. The failure of India to counter China's rise has made it even more unlikely that such cooperation will evolve productively. As the two regional giants compete with each other in the near future, they will be more focused on relative gains vis-a-vis each other than on the absolute gains that regional cooperation can bestow.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo20100517a2.html

It would appear that even China's bitter rival does not see India as an equal... Well, one author is American and the other -- British. But that only goes to show how India's former and current master(s) disdain Indians...
 
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Official Japanese point of view ??

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Is it why they are signing a nuclear deal with India??









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I respectfully disagree with Brahma Chellaney in his June 25 article, "Dancing with the dragon." As a center-left American, I agree with President Barack Obama's approach to China and would prefer that he go furthe

What a bullsh1t thread ....


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How to deal with a rising China | The Japan Times Online
 
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US -> China > India

Hence must try to contain China.

The attempts to contain China is a backhand compliment.
The request from help from India is a backhand insult to India. Obviously India will be no threat to the US else it will have to be contain.

But the US is in denial about its own state of affairs and how long more its got.

Japan's view?
They got the deer in headlights look.
Their economy will need Chinese financing sooner or later.
China will want it those JGBs to be "dragonised".
At the same time, the US decline continues to get more pronounced with each day.
And the US will not let Japan go so China will never accept a regional block with Japan which Japan needs.
Japan is not caught between China and US.
Japan has the US as a millstone around its neck!
 
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LOL

This is a (pro china) american from california giving his 'readers opinion'in a japanese newspaper. This guy seems to do it as a profession... hmmm many such pro china comments from him on the net... hmmmm


Now he represents Japan's point of view... LOL just my 50 cents!
 
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Let's take it for what it is. It is an Amerian reader's response carried by the Times of Japan. This may or may not reflect the view of the Japanese establishment. Co-operation or containment, this debate has been going on in the US for a long time. So far, proponents of containment are in the majority.
 
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It would appear that even China's bitter rival does not see India as an equal... Well, one author is American and the other -- British. But that only goes to show how India's former and current master(s) disdain Indians...
You could have done without your usual "master" BS.
 
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these chinese are so boastful on the face, but afraid from within...

that is why they shout out loud everysecond that we will be this and that(insecurity isnt it...and need to shout to reassure.. but shouting wont give anything rt)...

why dont wait till 2040 and see where India is and where China is..

The growth today is not assured to continue forever and neither we can predict the future....
till 2040 the world can turn upside down....

it is only the foolish chinese claiming from rooftops to be the superpower in future....

shout in 2040 if u r a power by then.... no need to shout like a fool at present......we shall see in 2040 where India is and where China is.....:cheers:

anyhow being number 1 n 2 in world wont really make much of difference at that time.... coz 1 and 2 can neithher fight nor harm each other.....
 
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these chinese are so boastful on the face, but afraid from within...

that is why they shout out loud everysecond that we will be this and that(insecurity isnt it...and need to shout to reassure.. but shouting wont give anything rt)...

why dont wait till 2040 and see where India is and where China is..

The growth today is not assured to continue forever and neither we can predict the future....
till 2040 the world can turn upside down....

it is only the foolish chinese claiming from rooftops to be the superpower in future....

shout in 2040 if u r a power by then.... no need to shout like a fool at present......we shall see in 2040 where India is and where China is.....:cheers:

anyhow being number 1 n 2 in world wont really make much of difference at that time.... coz 1 and 2 can neithher fight nor harm each other.....

I hope most Indian do not share your "lets compare the future" mentality. Otherwise, India is doomed to be in the current state forever. Who know what the distant past will held... But since you lose any debate about the present, you can only talk about the future, which is unknown.

This article shows why India at the present is 2nd rated in the eyes of the Obama administration. Brahma Chellaney can't bear to see that India is being so insignificant so he is waving his arms frantically for Obama to pay attention. So pathetic.
 
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I hope most Indian do not share your "lets compare the future" mentality. Otherwise, India is doomed to be in the current state forever. Who know what the distant past will held... But since you lose any debate about the present, you can only talk about the future, which is unknown.

This article shows why India at the present is 2nd rated in the eyes of the Obama administration. Brahma Chellaney can't bear to see that India is being so insignificant so he is waving his arms frantically for Obama to pay attention. So pathetic.

A country with 1+ billion population (1/6th of the humanity) and growing at a rate of 8% per annum cannot be termed insignificant. It would be foolish if anyone think that way.

Anyway the article is about predicting the future. It predicts that China could be a Superpower replacing US. US is sole current Superpower
 
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I hope most Indian do not share your "lets compare the future" mentality. Otherwise, India is doomed to be in the current state forever. Who know what the distant past will held... But since you lose any debate about the present, you can only talk about the future, which is unknown.

This article shows why India at the present is 2nd rated in the eyes of the Obama administration. Brahma Chellaney can't bear to see that India is being so insignificant so he is waving his arms frantically for Obama to pay attention. So pathetic.

India is not crying for recognition in global stage, It is US who is shouting that it wants an alliance with India be it anti china or not :cheers:.
You can compare China and India now as both are developing economically and militarily. About the sphere of influence in south asia, India has the significant influence in this region and it will be there for years to come. China is not a super power yet and is developing to become one. If any country has the potential to develop and counter china it is India and nobody can deny it.
 
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I hope most Indian do not share your "lets compare the future" mentality. Otherwise, India is doomed to be in the current state forever. Who know what the distant past will held... But since you lose any debate about the present, you can only talk about the future, which is unknown.

This article shows why India at the present is 2nd rated in the eyes of the Obama administration. Brahma Chellaney can't bear to see that India is being so insignificant so he is waving his arms frantically for Obama to pay attention. So pathetic.

there comes the Chinese...all proud of China...and doing propaganda about India...i knew u will respond...:rofl:
 
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as if I even care who thinks what abt my country. We've got our objectives to achieve, plain and simple. And we'll BEND the world order if we have to to do that. As for the rest of the world- it can like us if it wants to or dislike us or like someone more or dislike....
 
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India is not crying for recognition in global stage, It is US who is shouting that it wants an alliance with India be it anti china or not :cheers:.
You can compare China and India now as both are developing economically and militarily. About the sphere of influence in south asia, India has the significant influence in this region and it will be there for years to come. China is not a super power yet and is developing to become one. If any country has the potential to develop and counter china it is India and nobody can deny it.

dude not only xcounter..that we are dng rt now..but to be better and strnger then them also..wait till 2040...:cheers:
 
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I hope most Indian do not share your "lets compare the future" mentality. Otherwise, India is doomed to be in the current state forever. Who know what the distant past will held... But since you lose any debate about the present, you can only talk about the future, which is unknown.

This article shows why India at the present is 2nd rated in the eyes of the Obama administration. Brahma Chellaney can't bear to see that India is being so insignificant so he is waving his arms frantically for Obama to pay attention. So pathetic.

that will remain...comparisons are bound to happen, whether u refute or accept...i am all for it...healthy competition is goood....lets see whos century it is India or CHina...

it is just too early in the race...like 0.1% only...
 
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