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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...s-nsg-membership-bid/articleshow/54519890.cms

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NEW DELHI: As India mounts a diplomatic offensive against Pakistan over the issue of terrorism, China has again signalled it will continue to prop up Islamabad as a counterpoise against India's bid for membership of Nuclear Supplies Group.

Last week, China held another round of Arms Control Consultation with Pakistan in which it discussed Islamabad's application for NSG membership and also "indicated" on placing Pakistan's views and inputs to the group for consideration. The China-Pakistan dialogue comes within days of India's "candid and substantive" talks with Beijing here on its NSG bid.

According to Chinese authorities, Beijing shared with Pakistan its views on recent developments and also its principled position over the issue of participation of non-NPT countries in the NSG.

What's amusing though is that the language used in the statement by the Chinese embassy in Pakistan is almost identical to the one issued by China's mission in Delhi after the Sino-Indian NSG talks. Like in the case with the statement on India, the Chinese communication on Pakistan too says it will bring the view of Islamabad to the NSG. China's assurance is still important though in the light of Beijing's use of Pakistan to blunt India's campaign for membership.


After China, with the backing of a few other countries, blocked India's bid for membership at the Seoul NSG plenary in June, Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi proposed a dialogue between the director generals of disarmament of the two countries when he met his counterpart Sushma Swaraj here last month. While discussing NSG, Swaraj had spoken about the importance of India meeting its clean energy goals in context of the Paris climate agreement. A Chinese delegation led by director general Wang Qun of the foreign ministry visited India on September 13 for talks with an Indian contingent led by MEA's Amandeep Singh Gill, joint secretary (disarmament and international security).

In the case of its statement with India though, Beijing spoke in detail about the need for a two-step process to explore a "non-discriminatory formula'' which it said would be applicable to all non-NPT states seeking to join NSG.

China wants NSG to consider country-specific waiver only after this formula is arrived at. This approach, of course, failed to provide any breakthrough in talks even though the two officials agreed to again meet soon over the issue.


China, in fact, has maintained all along that the NSG consider a criteria based approach for non-NPT countries before getting into any country-specific issue. While China itself is accused of violating both NSG and a 2010 NPT consensus on not transferring nuclear material to countries (like Pakistan) which have not brought their facilities under IAEA safeguards, that has not come in the way of Beijing highlighting the need for non-NPT states to address the "gap'' between their existing practices and existing global non-proliferation rules "based on NPT as the cornerstone''.

India believes in doing that, and in clubbing India with Pakistan, China continues to show complete disregard for India's internationally acknowledged non-proliferation credentials.
 
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India can import nuclear technology, but cannot export. Pakistan can neither import -- except from China -- nor export. Sounds like NSG is more important for Pakistan than India, but, in the end, both countries want membership. So why not let both countries in at the same time and end this meaningless drama?

But this is the key stumbling block for India's and Pakistan's membership:

In the case of its statement with India though, Beijing spoke in detail about the need for a two-step process to explore a "non-discriminatory formula'' which it said would be applicable to all non-NPT states seeking to join NSG.

China wants NSG to consider country-specific waiver only after this formula is arrived at. This approach, of course, failed to provide any breakthrough in talks even though the two officials agreed to again meet soon over the issue.

Even though China is raising the issuing on non-NPT states seeking to joining, this issue is very prevalent among other NSG members as well. So if even China allows India and Pakistan in, other countries may still block.

I think it's all BS. The nuclear genie is out of the bottle. NSG members should realize that India and Pakistan will never, ever sign NPT. So why continue with this charade? Time to get realistic.
 
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http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...s-nsg-membership-bid/articleshow/54519890.cms

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NEW DELHI: As India mounts a diplomatic offensive against Pakistan over the issue of terrorism, China has again signalled it will continue to prop up Islamabad as a counterpoise against India's bid for membership of Nuclear Supplies Group.

Last week, China held another round of Arms Control Consultation with Pakistan in which it discussed Islamabad's application for NSG membership and also "indicated" on placing Pakistan's views and inputs to the group for consideration. The China-Pakistan dialogue comes within days of India's "candid and substantive" talks with Beijing here on its NSG bid.

According to Chinese authorities, Beijing shared with Pakistan its views on recent developments and also its principled position over the issue of participation of non-NPT countries in the NSG.

What's amusing though is that the language used in the statement by the Chinese embassy in Pakistan is almost identical to the one issued by China's mission in Delhi after the Sino-Indian NSG talks. Like in the case with the statement on India, the Chinese communication on Pakistan too says it will bring the view of Islamabad to the NSG. China's assurance is still important though in the light of Beijing's use of Pakistan to blunt India's campaign for membership.


After China, with the backing of a few other countries, blocked India's bid for membership at the Seoul NSG plenary in June, Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi proposed a dialogue between the director generals of disarmament of the two countries when he met his counterpart Sushma Swaraj here last month. While discussing NSG, Swaraj had spoken about the importance of India meeting its clean energy goals in context of the Paris climate agreement. A Chinese delegation led by director general Wang Qun of the foreign ministry visited India on September 13 for talks with an Indian contingent led by MEA's Amandeep Singh Gill, joint secretary (disarmament and international security).

In the case of its statement with India though, Beijing spoke in detail about the need for a two-step process to explore a "non-discriminatory formula'' which it said would be applicable to all non-NPT states seeking to join NSG.

China wants NSG to consider country-specific waiver only after this formula is arrived at. This approach, of course, failed to provide any breakthrough in talks even though the two officials agreed to again meet soon over the issue.


China, in fact, has maintained all along that the NSG consider a criteria based approach for non-NPT countries before getting into any country-specific issue. While China itself is accused of violating both NSG and a 2010 NPT consensus on not transferring nuclear material to countries (like Pakistan) which have not brought their facilities under IAEA safeguards, that has not come in the way of Beijing highlighting the need for non-NPT states to address the "gap'' between their existing practices and existing global non-proliferation rules "based on NPT as the cornerstone''.

India believes in doing that, and in clubbing India with Pakistan, China continues to show complete disregard for India's internationally acknowledged non-proliferation credentials.
for how long ? i guess she will become weak day by day due to civil unrest which is very near as her economy is shrinking day by day ( how long fudging the economic numbers will work for the chinese economy has to be seen ) .
 
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The problem is if India gets NSG membership first, they will then have "veto" power over Pakistan's NSG aspirations.

That's why China says they must both enter at the same time.
This should not be the reason for denying India NSG membership, China is a regional power and it should think from its own perspective rather than what will happen to Pakistan.

If India has proved its safety records in front of the group than China should complement it, China should not behave like a puppet of Islamabad(in this case China is acting like one), this will force Pakistan in delusion that China will protect them in any circumstances.:coffee:
 
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China is using Pak in each and everything.
Hope Pak realizes that, its not love for them, but India hatred is getting China closer to Pak.
 
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Pakistan can neither import -- except from China -- nor export. Sounds like NSG is more important for Pakistan than India, but, in the end, both countries want membership.
Both want nsg membership. Its important for both. Its a matter of prestige now.
 
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This should not be the reason for denying India NSG membership, China is a regional power and it should think from its own perspective rather than what will happen to Pakistan.

If India has proved its safety records in front of the group than China should complement it, China should not behave like a puppet of Islamabad(in this case China is acting like one), this will force Pakistan in delusion that China will protect them in any circumstances.:coffee:

:rofl:

This is for our own national interests. Pakistan is a friend while India is a rival.
 
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Same for america who is using India against China. It isn't their love for India but their great games against China. So come to real world Indians.

What China is doing in Pak, is US doing the same in India?
Answer this, and you have answered yourself.
 
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The problem is if India gets NSG membership first, they will then have "veto" power over Pakistan's NSG aspirations.

That's why China says they must both enter at the same time.
China is not alone. 11 countries incliding China opposed the NSG membership in Seoul meeting that include Austria, Switzerland, newzealand, S Africa ,mexico, turkey etc.
Chinas instance is clear, nsg membership should be strictly on merit as per policy and no waivers for any one.

What China is doing in Pak, is US doing the same in India?
Answer this, and you have answered yourself.
Same for the Indian who are living I. Denial mode
 
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Wasn't the nsg created because of Indians nuclear test in 74?
 
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China is not alone. 11 countries incliding China opposed the NSG membership in Seoul meeting that include Austria, Switzerland, newzealand, S Africa ,mexico, turkey etc.
Chinas instance is clear, nsg membership should be strictly on merit as per policy and no waivers for any one.

Even if we were alone, it wouldn't matter.

We fought against the entire United Nations (including the USA + 16 of her allies) during the Korean War, then against the Soviet Union during the Sino-Soviet split. Even when we were an undeveloped country.

If it serves our interests then there is no question we will do it.
 
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:rofl:

This is for our own national interests. Pakistan is a friend while India is a rival.
What the hell national interest ?? :disagree: China's only interest is CPEC and weapon market. :agree:

China is not gaining anything by stopping India from getting the membership, and I don't think China & India are rivals at the NSG forum, don't forget both the nations have supported each other at world stage, whenever the developed economies had something planned against each other.

Don't worry within few months you will hear voices raised within your CCP experts, regarding not holding India's membership.
 
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we are in a position to wait as we can still import and wait for the time where we have something to give in return to china
 
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