China to get S-400 from russia in 2017

[ChineseTiger1986]

What is DN-3 ?

China's ASAT/ICBM interceptor.

 

[Figaro]

China has managed to develop the much more complicated technology like the DN-3.

To compare the S-400 to the DN-3 is like to compare the conventional sub to the nuclear sub.

China's reason to purchase of the S-400 was purely geopolitical just like the purchase of the Su-35, and China can undoubtedly develop the SAM equal or superior to the S-400 on its own.

Totally agree. Both the Su-35 deal and the alleged S-400 deal were made in 2014, just one year after Xi Jinping took office. And what better way to promote Sino-Russian geopolitical alliance than to buy some Russian equipment. We all know that Russia's economy was tanking back in 2014 and lacked friends due to the Crimean annexation. Since one of Xi Jinping's first foreign policy priorities was to enhance bilateral relations with Russia, it makes sense that an arms deal would be in place. And note how both systems have been advertised to China for almost a decade ... why would China suddenly sign two deals immediately after Xi's presidency. The answer is geopolitics.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

As I said before integrate S-400 on Zubr-class LCAC, it will have a devastating effect on eastern sea, or SCS, the high mobility of this ship combined with amazing range of S-400, China can then set the mobile ADIZ

 

[Brainsucker]

Totally agree. Both the Su-35 deal and the alleged S-400 deal were made in 2014, just one year after Xi Jinping took office. And what better way to promote Sino-Russian geopolitical alliance than to buy some Russian equipment. We all know that Russia's economy was tanking back in 2014 and lacked friends due to the Crimean annexation. Since one of Xi Jinping's first foreign policy priorities was to enhance bilateral relations with Russia, it makes sense that an arms deal would be in place. And note how both systems have been advertised to China for almost a decade ... why would China suddenly sign two deals immediately after Xi's presidency. The answer is geopolitics.

Totally disagree.

Yes, China has already has the capability to make a good Jet Fighter and SAM that is not even inferior compared to SU-35 and S-400. But China is vast. They need a lot of SAM and Jet Fighter. And the threat that they face is a country with the strongest air power in this world. And even a country like China has limitation on their production capacity of building SAM and jet-fighter. Plus SU-35 and S-400 are capable weapon.

With the current PLA need for more advanced weapon, and with a very change-able political climate today, We can't deny that China will need more fire power than they have today. So, if SU-35 and S-400 can add the fire power that China need to defend their interest today, why not they do it? It is what we call practical thinking. Pride is the last thing that China should have in order to defend their interest.

So it is not about China can't build a good Jet-Fighter and SAM, it is all about the number that more Jet-Fighters that PLAAF can sortie today.

 

[Grandy]

As I said before integrate S-400 on Zubr-class LCAC, it will have a devastating effect on eastern sea, or SCS, the high mobility of this ship combined with amazing range of S-400, China can then set the mobile ADIZ

Zubr-class LCAC is not big enought to fit with large S-400

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

3 Years to deliver a complex S-400 system to China is reasonable wait time.
Takes time to assemble the macines and Test it

So it was a natural wait time , not delayed or not too soon

S-400 makes sense for China, becasue it adds a different unexpected layer of defence in their
"Dragon's Layer defence"

It would not be suprising to see China/Russia to collaboration on Stealth Killer SAM down the line

 

[帅的一匹]

The price Russia quote China for S400 is only half of India.

 

[rcrmj]

Actually, the Russians initially doubted their S-400 will be copied by the Chinese. There was a debate over it and finally, they arrived at a conclusion that S-400 is too complex to be copied. And no, when it comes to defense tech, Russia is miles ahead. Be it Naval vessels, Fighters, missiles, you name it.

apart from high thrust turbofan engine and the number of nukes```I cant think any others that they are ahead of us```in fact in terms of electrical propulsion system, integrated power management system, diesel engine, Gas turbine, radar, semiconductor, Aegis combat system, stealth fighter, drone, AI and new material, NMD, TMD, rail gun and etc``` we are infact miles ahead of Russia, and the gap is ever widing```

your funny Indian delusion bares no weight of fact as simple as that

 

[Chhatrapati]

apart from high thrust turbofan engine and the number of nukes```I cant think any others that they are ahead of us```in fact in terms of electrical propulsion system, integrated power management system, diesel engine, Gas turbine, radar, semiconductor, Aegis combat system, stealth fighter, drone, AI and new material, NMD, TMD, rail gun and etc``` we are infact miles ahead of Russia, and the gap is ever widing```

your funny Indian delusion bares no weight of fact as simple as that

Funny you still have to rely on Russian designs for aircraft, and engines, and the jets that look similar to other countries. You are miles ahead of Moscow (in time zone). Appreciate your gut to come here and claim you are some technologically advanced country. Most countries do not trust Chinese made stuff when it comes to defense equipment (The thread is about S-400, don't jump topics and claim we did this and that like a kid). That's why Russians still own a major chunk of defense deals around the world, together with the US and other western countries.

 

[Beast]

The price Russia quote China for S400 is only half of India.

China paid for half of S400 development fee.

Funny you still have to rely on Russian designs for aircraft, and engines, and the jets that look similar to other countries. You are miles ahead of Moscow (in time zone). Appreciate your gut to come here and claim you are some technologically advanced country. Most countries do not trust Chinese made stuff when it comes to defense equipment (The thread is about S-400, don't jump topics and claim we did this and that like a kid). That's why Russians still own a major chunk of defense deals around the world, together with the US and other western countries.

Typical self denial. There are many Chinese defence hardware sold which user has no problem trusting made in China product. A hint (UCAV).

Let me ask you some simple question. How many new type of destroyer had Russian launched since Soviet Union? Zero. How is new Chinese destroyer looks anything similar to Russian one? Same as LDP, replenishment ship, frigate and corvette. Care to answer me?

Russian weapon export market will not hold much edge longer. The Chinese are edging closer.

 

[alphapak]

Funny you still have to rely on Russian designs for aircraft, and engines, and the jets that look similar to other countries. You are miles ahead of Moscow (in time zone). Appreciate your gut to come here and claim you are some technologically advanced country. Most countries do not trust Chinese made stuff when it comes to defense equipment (The thread is about S-400, don't jump topics and claim we did this and that like a kid). That's why Russians still own a major chunk of defense deals around the world, together with the US and other western countries.

China has 2 fifth Gen Fighter programs at the same time whilst
Russia is struggling with one. As for India they can't assemble
a 3th Generation Teja fighter.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Let me ask you some simple question. How many new type of destroyer had Russian launched since Soviet Union? Zero. How is new Chinese destroyer looks anything similar to Russian one? Same as LDP, replenishment ship, frigate and corvette. Care to answer me?

Russian weapon export market will not hold much edge longer. The Chinese are edging closer.

Russians practically don't have to do any power projection right now. They are well within their limit to protect their boundary and also, they are not in a good economic shape.
Russian export market will hold much longer as long as there are buyers. Since not many countries make such weapons.

China has 2 fifth Gen Fighter programs at the same time whilst
Russia is struggling with one. As for India they can't assemble
a 3th Generation Teja fighter.

And anyone cares to buy? At least put a quotation?

Russia already has enough resources for it. Russians don't boast about it much. India assembled enough jets, more than any in South Asia. And don't make it about India you Pakistani. Tejas is not the topic here.

Poor obsessed guy, please do look at your own threads in which you look at Russian fighters, claims Russia will sell their fighters to you and so and so. Please don't make such threads when you have superior Chinese jets. Buy their fifth gen hyper power jets.

 

[rcrmj]

Funny you still have to rely on Russian designs for aircraft, and engines, and the jets that look similar to other countries. You are miles ahead of Moscow (in time zone). Appreciate your gut to come here and claim you are some technologically advanced country. Most countries do not trust Chinese made stuff when it comes to defense equipment (The thread is about S-400, don't jump topics and claim we did this and that like a kid). That's why Russians still own a major chunk of defense deals around the world, together with the US and other western countries.

yet again to funny and deluded Indian, none of the above that has remote connection to facts. and stereotypes carry no weight of reality, and this cannt be more suitable to extremely ignorant and primitive Indian.

here are the facts: most countries (including your white masters) trust Chinese stuff, so we are the biggest exporter of high tech end products;

secondly, there are loads good threads regarding Chinese CV, aircraft and weapon system development, but i guess techniqual and common sense discussions are not suitable to ignorant Indian;

and lastly, regarding the S-400, yes they are offering a small number of it to us with a unit price that is a fraction to what was offered to India with much lager quantity, I guess primitive factor driven SP 12 doesnt have any leverage on international arm dealings```can you tell me why?

Russians practically don't have to do any power projection right now. They are well within their limit to protect their boundary and also, they are not in a good economic shape.
Russian export market will hold much longer as long as there are buyers. Since not many countries make such weapons.


And anyone cares to buy? At least put a quotation?

Russia already has enough resources for it. Russians don't boast about it much. India assembled enough jets, more than any in South Asia. And don't make it about India you Pakistani. Tejas is not the topic here.

Poor obsessed guy, please do look at your own threads in which you look at Russian fighters, claims Russia will sell their fighters to you and so and so. Please don't make such threads when you have superior Chinese jets. Buy their fifth gen hyper power jets.

and another reason that Russia is still one of the biggest arm exporters is due to primitive countries like India, cant even produce a bullet but have to rely on virtually everything on Russia```so they can rape you off like innocent Indian girls in your slums, fact

 

[seesonic]

Russians practically don't have to do any power projection right now. They are well within their limit to protect their boundary and also, they are not in a good economic shape.

Oh my

I know indians wants to project its power but lacks the capability. However, indian critic Russians capability where indians have to buy aircraft carriers, 5th generation airplane, strategic movers from the Russians?

Funny you still have to rely on Russian designs for aircraft, and engines, and the jets that look similar to other countries. You are miles ahead of Moscow (in time zone). Appreciate your gut to come here and claim you are some technologically advanced country. Most countries do not trust Chinese made stuff when it comes to defense equipment (The thread is about S-400, don't jump topics and claim we did this and that like a kid). That's why Russians still own a major chunk of defense deals around the world, together with the US and other western countries.

The chinese should buy Indians products. Lots of trust

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[Chhatrapati]

yet again to funny and deluded Indian, none of the above that has remote connection to facts. and stereotypes carry no weight of reality, and this cannt be more suitable to extremely ignorant and primitive Indian.

here are the facts: most countries (including your white masters) trust Chinese stuff, so we are the biggest exporter of high tech end products;

secondly, there are loads good threads regarding Chinese CV, aircraft and weapon system development, but i guess techniqual and common sense discussions are not suitable to ignorant Indian;

and lastly, regarding the S-400, yes they are offering a small number of it to us with a unit price that is a fraction to what was offered to India with much lager quantity, I guess primitive factor driven SP 12 doesnt have any leverage on international arm dealings```can you tell me why?

High end is not military grade weapons or support systems. You send small support equipment, phones, other com devices, and computers (including with others).

And they are offering it to you with low range missiles, with the max range being 250 KM which you are buying and since you can't buy anything above 350, you can't get the other 40N6 missile. You are not a member of MTCR. Also, India's deal is not yet finalized. So, you are just shooting blanks.

and another reason that Russia is still one of the biggest arm exporters is due to primitive countries like India, cant even produce a bullet but have to rely on virtually everything on Russia```so they can rape you off like innocent Indian girls in your slums, fact

What India buys are mostly jet engines parts, guns, radars, heavy artillery. I am yet to see anyone looking for Chinese jets other than some countries who just sport a military. (With the exception of Pak for obvious reasons).