China to Build Second Hong Kong

[powastick]

Hakka/Cantonese/Teow Chu --- all three are Southern Chinese dialects, and all three are in close proximity to Canton. Overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia and East Asia are mostly Cantonese/Hakka and to an extent Teow Chu. Fore example in Japan, majority of the close to 1 million Chinese living in Japan speak gwangdongwu, oldest Chinese communities in Japan such as in Nagasaki -- are mostly from Canton. Most of the overseas Chinese in Southeast Asia are Either Cantonese or Hakka and to a lesser extent Teow Chu.

PS. A considerable number of Hong Konger residents were Hakka, but eventually adapted to Cantonese.



Singapore is not purely Fujianese, many of whom are Cantonese as well. Fujian is also within the Canton area, so the Southern Chinese culture is observed.



@powastick ,

The history of Hong Kong and Singapore is a large one, and if you want to talk about it, we can start a new thread on it. I don't feel like typing out a long winded post on it here in this thread as it is not in context to said subject matter.

If you like, please create a new thread on it, and I would more than happily discourse with you and others there.


Regards,



Hong Kongers are really global-minded. Majority of the Chinese living in Tokyo are those from Hong Kong and Shanghai. Its even common to see Hong Kongers (the super wealty, of course) who work in HK, then spend weekends in Tokyo, or vice versa. HK people, due to HK's status as a gateway, have great access to the West as well and its this unrivaled access that provides HK people the ability, opportunity, capability to go anywhere and absorb a multitude of cultural , political, economic influences.

There are few cities in the Chinese mainland that boasts that, let alone few cities in Asia that has such unparalleled networking systems. Well, aside from Tokyo. he he he.

Hong Kong grew because of the British pure and simple. From 18th-19th century British were the superpower where they control the seas. By controlling the seas, they control wealth. British pound sterling became the global reserve currency which the US enjoy today. Since British control the flow of wealth around the world, Hong Kong became its conduit in the far east.

What if the British had ports in Tianjin instead of Hong Kong, would you think Hong Kong would be as prosperous as today?

A lot of Ipoh Cantonese feel Hong Kongers that came to Malaysia very snoobish, its not only Mainlanders feel that way.

"Pa Pai" or "Lan Si".

 

[Aepsilons]

Hong Kong grew because of the British pure and simple. From 18th-19th century British were the superpower where they control the seas. By controlling the seas, they control wealth. British pound sterling became the global reserve currency which the US enjoy today. Since British control the flow of wealth around the world, Hong Kong became its conduit in the far east.

What if the British had ports in Tianjin instead of Hong Kong, would you think Hong Kong would be as prosperous as today?

A lot of Ipoh Cantonese feel Hong Kongers that came to Malaysia very snoobish, its not only Mainlanders feel that way.

"Pa Pai" or "Lan Si".

I'm sorry you feel that way about Hong Kongers or that other people feel that way. I've never had any bad experiences with Hong Kongers, actually, I've had all pleasant and great experiences with them. Several of my childhood friends are from Hong Kong --- some of my friends from my university are from Hong Kong or are a product of HK's universities. They are hard working, open minded, very diplomatic, global-oriented, helpful and success driven. And I have the greatest respect for them.

 

[TaiShang]

In the scheme of contemporary development, resentment falls on the colonial-flag waving minority traitors of HK, who are in no way more special than the separatist terrorists of any nation.

The majority of HK people are just find with the rest of the nation which they are a part of.

The feeling of achievement and success falls squarely on the Mainland, which is only natural with its explosive growth and rise in economic and political influence.

 

[SafShikan]

Gr8...Best of Luck

 

[powastick]

I'm sorry you feel that way about Hong Kongers or that other people feel that way. I've never had any bad experiences with Hong Kongers, actually, I've had all pleasant and great experiences with them. Several of my childhood friends are from Hong Kong --- some of my friends from my university are from Hong Kong or are a product of HK's universities. They are hard working, open minded, very diplomatic, global-oriented, helpful and success driven. And I have the greatest respect for them.

They are giving you 'face' since you're a foreigner/guest. Their inhibition relax when they talk to their own brethren. My bro went to Hong Kong before, they very rude despite being able to speak Cantonese fluently and will not visit Hong Kong again. I don't share your optimism on Hong Kong because Hong Kong is China's humiliation. Hong Kongers not smart by rubbing salt.

 

[haidian]

Hongkong is a deeply divided society ,the funny thing is that most those being regarded as "pro-Beijing" people are older generations and they spent a fair amount of time living under the British rule before 1997. And protesters are mostly young students who barely remember anything of the colonial times and have the faintest idea of what a colonial rule might be like.

 

[Aepsilons]

They are giving you 'face' since you're a foreigner/guest. Their inhibition relax when they talk to their own brethren. My bro went to Hong Kong before, they very rude despite being able to speak Cantonese fluently and will not visit Hong Kong again. I don't share your optimism on Hong Kong because Hong Kong is China's humiliation. Hong Kongers not smart by rubbing salt.

I like to see the situation from a glass half full view. Hong Kong shouldn't be seen as 'China's humiliation', my friend, that was history. Do you think we Japanese see Taiwan and Korea as 'Japan's humiliation' ? No. It is the past. Perhaps your brother met some bad eggs, don't let several few be the judge of some 7 million HKers.

 

[powastick]

I like to see the situation from a glass half full view. Hong Kong shouldn't be seen as 'China's humiliation', my friend, that was history. Do you think we Japanese see Taiwan and Korea as 'Japan's humiliation' ? No. It is the past. Perhaps your brother met some bad eggs, don't let several few be the judge of some 7 million HKers.

Mainland Chinese if rude\obnoxious i can understand, but Hong Kong, with so much freedom and access to western education and values. It is a real shocker.

Humiliation? Forgive yes. Forget No.

 

[Borr]

Sticking to the old ways doesn't bring greatness. The new always replaces the old. HK & Taiwan evaded many storms after 1949 but those storms are the very ones transformed the mainland into what the mainland is nowadays. Keeping the old ways is the last thing on the city mayors' kind.

I don't feel that sorry for lost `traditions'. Traditions weren't traditions before they became popular. They all became popular at some historical time due to some very practical economic/tech reasons. Whatever modern people do, the popular part of it will become new `traditions' over time.

Being a guy from Shanghai - a city that can match HK's hardware and infrastructure - I am still very fond of HK culture. I guess what HK attracts me is not about its material wealth, not about it being an international city, but its well preservation of traditional Chinese culture wrapped in modern outfit. They are very law/social consious while flexible in doing business, very modern while have deep traditional merits in their philosophy, very patriotic while being critical of authorities. We still have a lot to learn from them.

I have a HK friend doing business in Shanghai, he is already rich but still hard working, lead a low profile life and do a lot of charity work. I ask him why still work so hard? He told me, it's not the money, but to keep people employed to feed their families, to honor his promised words for his suppliers/customers, and he can only donate more if he can make some more. That's the kind of spirit I can't find in China.



HKers are mostly Cantonese, followed by Fujianese (Hokkien), Shanghai/Ningbo, Chaozhou (Tiujiu).
Singaporeans are mostly Fijianese, some Cantonese, some Hakka, and others.
Are you Fujianese bro? From Penang?

 

[Schutz]

It wont be another Hong Ko

Mainland Chinese if rude\obnoxious i can understand, but Hong Kong, with so much freedom and access to western education and values. It is a real shocker.

Humiliation? Forgive yes. Forget No.

The decent Chinese I have met have almost all been from hong kong of prosperous regions, the mainland Chinese I have met have mostly all been extremely rude, arrogant and have no real desires or happiness in life apart from making money.

 

[haidian]

It wont be another Hong Ko


The decent Chinese I have met have almost all been from hong kong of prosperous regions, the mainland Chinese I have met have mostly all been extremely rude, arrogant and have no real desires or happiness in life apart from making money.

That's what pushes us forward, a rolling stone gathers no moss. China and Chinese people achieved a lot in recent decades after switching to this mentality some 2 decades ago, once we are as rich as US and sit on the top spot of the world, then we can relax and enjoy our lives, no it's still the time to strive and work hard to get rich.

 

[Aepsilons]

It wont be another Hong Ko


The decent Chinese I have met have almost all been from hong kong of prosperous regions, the mainland Chinese I have met have mostly all been extremely rude, arrogant and have no real desires or happiness in life apart from making money.

Agreed, there is much more to life than just the pursuit of wealth .

 

[haidian]

We want wealth and we are also rich in culture, Chinese culture influence every single country in East Asia. without Chinese culture, they barely have anything left.

 

[powastick]

It wont be another Hong Ko


The decent Chinese I have met have almost all been from hong kong of prosperous regions, the mainland Chinese I have met have mostly all been extremely rude, arrogant and have no real desires or happiness in life apart from making money.

We just celebrated Chinese New Year, I bet you don't now Chinese New Year wishes are for, the meaning of the color we used, and the gifts are meant for.

@Nihonjin1051 go read on Tao Zhu Gong.