China slowly creating new LAC in Ladakh, disengagement not resolving problems | OPINION

[Zarvan]

China slowly creating new LAC in Ladakh, disengagement not resolving problems | OPINION​

No confrontation because of no patrolling by Indian soldiers claiming to physically claim land in disputed areas looks like an advantage for China in the long run. This could effectively lead to a new Line of Actual Control and that’s what the Chinese want.​

Abhishek Bhalla New DelhiSeptember 19, 2022UPDATED: September 19, 2022 12:26 IST

There have been 16 rounds of Corps Commander-level talks between Indian and Chinese military delegations in Ladakh.


With the pullback of Indian and Chinese troops from Hot Spring-Gogra now, after over two years, the militaries have disengaged from the four areas designated as the friction points because of the tussle that started in May 2020. But does this mean a resolution of sorts? Not at all. Using the term “resolved” while talking about the areas where the disengagement has taken place would be misleading. A withdrawal of 2-3 km doesn’t mean much if one is to understand the larger picture.

In the early stages of the disengagement that took place in Galwan and Pangong Tso, a senior army officer told me, “They haven’t come all the way with a massive military build-up to go back.”

This summed up back then to me how disengagement or a withdrawal of a few kilometres was more about symbolism and less about a resolution.

NO CLARITY ON TERMS AND CONDITIONS​

The ambiguity around these disengagements, the lack of detail or clarity from both sides, is a further giveaway that there is nothing much to offer.

The big question everybody wants to know is, is this disengagement advantage India or China? Does this really amount to China being forced to move back?


The disengagement has led to the creation of buffer zones. This means both sides will not go up to the identified friction point for patrolling. The result is no ugly fist fights between the two sides. No confrontation because of no patrolling by Indian soldiers claiming to physically claim land in disputed areas looks like an advantage for China in the long run.

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This effectively could lead to a new line of actual control and that’s what the Chinese want. So while India has been calling for the restoration of the status quo as of April 2020, a new status quo is emerging.

Blocking Indian patrols in several areas by force and a moratorium or a freeze on patrolling by both sides in the case of these friction points ensure the Indian access to Akshai Chin is permanently cut off as it creates a new line.

So while the four identified friction points were Patrol Point 14 (Galwan), Patrol Point 15, Kurang Nalla (being referred to as Hot Spring-Gogra), Patrol Point 17 A (Gogra) and Pangong Lake.

Patrol Points are spots identifiable on the map as the limit of patrolling for Indian troops.

CHINA BLOCKING PATROLS​

The Depsang plains that have been a trouble spot since 2013 was, in fact, the first place where the Chinese blocked Indian patrols when the tussle started in May 2020 but, for some reason, was not included in the friction points. The Chinese are still adamant not to discuss Depsang and Demchock despite India’s insistence.

In a counter-offensive to China’s aggression on the north bank of the Pangong Lake, the Indian Army had held on to critical heights on the southern side of the lake, surprising the Chinese in August 2020. This gave India a big tactical advantage to dominate China’s Moldo garrison.

However, the Indian Army vacated the heights on the Kailash Range as part of the disengagement plan for Finger Area (mountain spurs jutting into the lake on the northern bank) where a build-up from both sides had threatened a military clash.

Since then, China has been building a bridge connecting the north and south banks of the Pangong Lake, ensuring quick mobility of its forces to cross from one end to another. The bridge will facilitate quick induction as it will cut down the distance and time to reach the contested areas at the Pangong Lake and will also connect the two banks allowing Chinese forces easy access on either side to combat any threat.

There have been 16 rounds of Corps Commander-level talks between Indian and Chinese military delegations in Ladakh but the status quo ante as of April 2020 that India has been seeking is nowhere in sight. It has ensured a piecemeal disengagement but not found a breakthrough for larger resolution.

On June 6, 2020, the Corps Commander-level meet took place for the first time to resolve the standoff and brewing tensions between the two nuclear powers. What was expected to be a dialogue to find a resolution has turned out to be an exercise to ensure there are no flare-ups. As the situation continues, this could be the new status quo.

China slowly creating new LAC in Ladakh, disengagement not resolving problems | OPINION

No confrontation because of no patrolling by Indian soldiers claiming to physically claim land in disputed areas looks like an advantage for China in the long run. This could effectively lead to a new Line of Actual Control and that’s what the Chinese want.

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[Ajamal]

No issue. We don't have that coward government in place in New Delhi. We are alert and prepared now. Our infrastructure is rapidly getting ready with a lot more road connectivity and rail connectivity. Since Ladakh stand off, we have acquired lots of mountain specific weapons. Pralay, which is Himalaya specific is tested and ready. We have much more air strips where we can land our transport aircrafts. We can operate our planes with a big payload unlike China. Our soldiers are capable of repeating what they did in Ladakh fight 2 years back. India enjoys superiority in all areas except long range cruise missle and long range MBRL. On other hand, India has much better aircrafts, transport aircrafts, attack and transport choppers, Supersonic steep dive brahmos, M777 light weight howitzer and so on. Indian armed forces are preparing for any worse possible conflict. There had been many exercises in last two years to validate various military doctrine. Now, taking back chinese occupied aksai Chin and freedom of Tibet looks much possible than ever before.

 

[casual]

No issue. We don't have that coward government in place in New Delhi. We are alert and prepared now. Our infrastructure is rapidly getting ready with a lot more road connectivity and rail connectivity. Since Ladakh stand off, we have acquired lots of mountain specific weapons. Pralay, which is Himalaya specific is tested and ready. We have much more air strips where we can land our transport aircrafts. We can operate our planes with a big payload unlike China. Our soldiers are capable of repeating what they did in Ladakh fight 2 years back. India enjoys superiority in all areas except long range cruise missle and long range MBRL. On other hand, India has much better aircrafts, transport aircrafts, attack and transport choppers, Supersonic steep dive brahmos, M777 light weight howitzer and so on. Indian armed forces are preparing for any worse possible conflict. There had been many exercises in last two years to validate various military doctrine. Now, taking back chinese occupied aksai Chin and freedom of Tibet looks much possible than ever before.

India supapowa. India numba 1

 

[StraightEdge]

Now, taking back chinese occupied aksai Chin and freedom of Tibet looks much possible than ever before.

Stop using drugs, it destroys your brain cells.

 

[SIPRA]

India supapowa. India numba 1

Not an iota of doubt.

 

[beijingwalker]

No issue. We don't have that coward government in place in New Delhi. We are alert and prepared now. Our infrastructure is rapidly getting ready with a lot more road connectivity and rail connectivity. Since Ladakh stand off, we have acquired lots of mountain specific weapons. Pralay, which is Himalaya specific is tested and ready. We have much more air strips where we can land our transport aircrafts. We can operate our planes with a big payload unlike China. Our soldiers are capable of repeating what they did in Ladakh fight 2 years back. India enjoys superiority in all areas except long range cruise missle and long range MBRL. On other hand, India has much better aircrafts, transport aircrafts, attack and transport choppers, Supersonic steep dive brahmos, M777 light weight howitzer and so on. Indian armed forces are preparing for any worse possible conflict. There had been many exercises in last two years to validate various military doctrine. Now, taking back chinese occupied aksai Chin and freedom of Tibet looks much possible than ever before.

Lol, not every Indian is as optimistic as you are

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[Hindustani78]

China slowly creating new LAC in Ladakh, disengagement not resolving problems | OPINION​

So again one more Military Ceasefire Proposal from Chinese Military !!!

No confrontation because of no patrolling by Indian soldiers claiming to physically claim land in disputed areas looks like an advantage for China in the long run. This could effectively lead to a new Line of Actual Control and that’s what the Chinese want.​

Again the same Military Buffer Zone, So this time New Buffer Zone Co Ordinates, How many Hindu Wadis & Water Springs have been deducted ???

There have been 16 rounds of Corps Commander-level talks between Indian and Chinese military delegations in Ladakh.

16 Rounds of Corps Commander Level Talks - Regarding Friction Zones or Friction Zones Buffer Line !!! Were the talks includes Ladakh Sector Zone; Shimla Sector Zone; Lhasa Sector Zone; Arunachalam Sector Zone; Ramachalam Sector Zone; Manichalam Sector Zone; Nagachalam Sector Zone & Shyamachalam Sector Zone !!!

With the pullback of Indian and Chinese troops from Hot Spring-Gogra now, after over two years,

Disengagement has been done by Chinese Military due to the war in Ruthenia Ukraina and simmering tensions in Central Asia !!!

Chinese Military is aware that Indians have everything to do with Ancient Hindu Territory !!!

the militaries have disengaged from the four areas designated as the friction points because of the tussle that started in May 2020. But does this mean a resolution of sorts?

Disengagement is having many meaning , Is that pulling back to New Co Ordinates by Chinese Military !!!

Not at all. Using the term “resolved” while talking about the areas where the disengagement has taken place would be misleading. A withdrawal of 2-3 km doesn’t mean much if one is to understand the larger picture.

This depends on the term Trust !!! Pulling Back Troops by the Occupying Forces means Confidence Building Measures !!!

This summed up back then to me how disengagement or a withdrawal of a few kilometres was more about symbolism and less about a resolution.

Pulling Back Troops by the Occupying Forces means Confidence Building Measures in Wider Theater Warfare !!!

NO CLARITY ON TERMS AND CONDITIONS​

The ambiguity around these disengagements, the lack of detail or clarity from both sides, is a further giveaway that there is nothing much to offer.

Both Indian Military & Chinese Military will not give Clarity because Union of India - Establishment Authority rejects Third Party Mediation !!!

The big question everybody wants to know is, is this disengagement advantage India or China? Does this really amount to China being forced to move back?

Military Disengagements will have advantage mostly for Chinese Military because Chinese Military can fully involve in Space Mission.

The disengagement has led to the creation of buffer zones.

Creation of New Buffer Zones means something has happened in Disputed Territory and results are even visible to all.

This means both sides will not go up to the identified friction point for patrolling.

In Territorial Disputes, Which side is on Religion matters the most.

Friction points are Vedas and Qu'ran , Chinese Military cant kill all the Believers of Vedas and Qu'ran !!!

The result is no ugly fist fights between the two sides. No confrontation because of no patrolling by Indian soldiers claiming to physically claim land in disputed areas looks like an advantage for China in the long run.

Fist Fights between Chinese Military Infantry and Union of India - Establishment Authority Armed Forces - Newly trained Paramilitary Force !!!

How many Chinese Military Infantry Soldiers got injured by these Indian Newly trained Paramilitary Force !!! 50 to 60 ???

This effectively could lead to a new line of actual control and that’s what the Chinese want.

Occupying Forces - Military Disengagements is already reality , only some understand High Level Talks linked to Space Program !!!

Mandir Vedic Guys & Masjid Qu'ranic Guys are very dangerous !!!

So while India has been calling for the restoration of the status quo as of April 2020, a new status quo is emerging.

Was there big Pull back by Indian Armed Forces - Northern Command during Indo China War - Sector Shyamachalam to protect Hindu Stock Individuals or to drag Chinese Military inside Union of India - Establishment Authority Territorial Regions North !!!

What has been Chinese Military Causalities since 1955 - 2022 ???

So while the four identified friction points were Patrol Point 14 (Galwan), Patrol Point 15, Kurang Nalla (being referred to as Hot Spring-Gogra), Patrol Point 17 A (Gogra) and Pangong Lake.

So this is that Military Sectoral Zone ???

Patrol Points are spots identifiable on the map as the limit of patrolling for Indian troops.

Work of Chinese Military Corps Commander and Indian Military Corps Commander !!!

CHINA BLOCKING PATROLS
The Depsang plains that have been a trouble spot since 2013 was, in fact, the first place where the Chinese blocked Indian patrols when the tussle started in May 2020 but, for some reason, was not included in the friction points.

River Hindu Eshyak / Eshyuk / Eshyik / Eshyok Hadaba / Plains have everything to do with Hindu Tribes, Karakoram Pass AL Yarkand !!!

Sarkar e Hindustan - Punjab Khalsa Hindu Shahi Durgara - Commander General Zorawar Singh Kahluria led Forces towards River Hindu Eshyak / Eshyuk / Eshyik / Eshyok Hadaba / Plains.

The Chinese are still adamant not to discuss Depsang and Demchock despite India’s insistence.

Chinese Military Command are aware of Hindu Territory Real Boundary !!!

In a counter-offensive to China’s aggression on the north bank of the Pangong Lake, the Indian Army had held on to critical heights on the southern side of the lake, surprising the Chinese in August 2020. This gave India a big tactical advantage to dominate China’s Moldo garrison.

Indian Armed Forces - Southern Command - Hyderabad State - 19th Infantry Regiment Commanding Officer Shaheed Colonel Bikkumalla Santosh Babu;

Indian Armed Forces - Southern Command - Hyderabad State - 19th Infantry Regiment Shaheed Naib Subedar Nuduram Soren;

Indian Armed Forces - Southern Command - Madurai State - Artillery Field 81st Regiment Shaheed Havaldar Kadukkaloor Palani;

Indian Armed Forces - Southern Command - Delhi Cantonment Khalsa - Artillery Field IIIrd Medium Regiment Shaheed Havaldar Tejinder Singh;

Indian Armed Forces - Northern Command - Army Medical Corps - Field Nursing Assistant Shaheed Naik Deepak Singh;

Indian Armed Forces - Northern Command - Punjab State - Infantry 3rd Regiment - Shaheed Sepoy Gurtej Singh.

Since then, China has been building a bridge connecting the north and south banks of the Pangong Lake, ensuring quick mobility of its forces to cross from one end to another. The bridge will facilitate quick induction as it will cut down the distance and time to reach the contested areas at the Pangong Lake and will also connect the two banks allowing Chinese forces easy access on either side to combat any threat.

Chinese Military is banking more on Attack Helicopters Squadrons and Long Range Artillery Regiments.

There have been 16 rounds of Corps Commander-level talks between Indian and Chinese military delegations in Ladakh but the status quo ante as of April 2020 that India has been seeking is nowhere in sight. It has ensured a piecemeal disengagement but not found a breakthrough for larger resolution.

Bigger Picture is Visible , See carefully !!!

On June 6, 2020, the Corps Commander-level meet took place for the first time to resolve the standoff and brewing tensions between the two nuclear powers. What was expected to be a dialogue to find a resolution has turned out to be an exercise to ensure there are no flare-ups. As the situation continues, this could be the new status quo.

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