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Prime Minister Shinzo Abe meets with his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan in October, 2013. © Kyodo

TOKYO -- Nearly three months after lifting its long-standing arms embargo, Japan recently approved plans to supply missile parts to the U.S. and conduct joint military research with a British company. Behind the scenes, however, there was a deal that fell through.

Under new guidelines governing the transfer of defense equipment and technology, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on July 17 convened the National Security Council to look into two applications submitted by private companies.

One was Mitsubishi Heavy Industries' request for permission to export seeker gyros used in Patriot surface-to-air missiles to the U.S. The other involved Mitsubishi Electric, which was seeking approval for joint study with U.K. missile maker MBDA to boost the accuracy of Meteor missiles for use in the F-35 stealth fighter.

Japan had in principle banned arms exports since 1976, but Abe relaxed the old guidelines in April to allow defense equipment and related technology to be shipped abroad on the condition that they can be of use to Japan's national security.

The new guidelines include three rules: Japanese weapons shall not be supplied to countries that violate United Nations resolutions and those engaged in conflicts; arms exports will be only endorsed after going through strict screening; and the transfer of equipment and technology to third countries must only happen with prior consent from Japan. The National Security Council gave the green light to the submitted requests after concluding they met the three requirements.

But "there was one more case that could have been included," a government source said. He was referring to a tank engine export deal with Turkey scrapped early this year.

Rules are rules

When Abe visited Turkey in May last year, his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan requested for use of Mitsubishi Heavy's engine technology in the country's combat tanks. Turkey has been working to develop the Altay, a next-generation, indigenous battle tank. Erdogan proposed Mitsubishi Heavy set up a joint venture with a Turkish company for the production of Altay engines.

Turkey and Japan have long been on amicable terms. It is also a member of U.S.-led NATO. And Abe is personally close to Erdogan. Naturally, the Japanese leader was in favor of building defense cooperation with Turkey.

But the deal hit a wall when Ankara told Tokyo it was looking into the possibility of selling its tanks to Islamic countries, including Pakistan and Azerbaijan, which are currently engaged in conflict. Japan could not agree to such terms. Turkey would not accept the "prior consent" requirement for the transfer to third countries. The deal fell through in February. "It cannot be helped," Abe said.

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Turkey is developing the Altay, a next-generation tank.

Japan had another concern. "Turkey was trying to approach China to strengthen its national security," said a Japanese official familiar with talks over the Turkey deal. "That worried us."

Seeing Iran as a missile threat, Turkey announced in September that it will enter talks with China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corp. to build a missile-defense system.

The move shocked NATO, as it was preparing to build an integrated air-defense system within its members to put Russia in check. It feared Turkey's partnership with a Chinese defense contractor could cause a leakage of sensitive military information on the Western alliance.

Japan was developing similar jitters. Closer ties between Turkey and China would mean the higher risk of leaks on Japan's technology to China. A Japanese government official acknowledged that China is one reason that aborted the Turkey deal.

Sustainability threat

Japan has opened the way for arms exports as a way of bringing down costs of its defense industry. The country's defense companies have long done business only with its Self-Defense Forces. Making defense equipment is expensive. The government feared that if the SDF remained the only customer for Japanese arms manufacturers, the business would become unsustainable and eventually threaten national security.

But selling weapons in Turkey and other emerging countries is not easy. China is also stepping up its presence in these markets. It would cost Japan's security dearly if its technology is leaked to China through these countries.

This explains why the U.S. and U.K. became the first destination of Japan's arms exports under the new guidelines. "We have no doubt that they will manage Japan's technology with great care," said a senior official with the Ministry of Defense. The remark highlights a challenge Japan faces in exporting arms to emerging countries.
China seen behind Japan's failed Turkey arms deal- Nikkei Asian Review

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The article in a nutshell, said loudly Japan do not trust Turkey?

Japan think that Turkey would give the weapon parts to Pakistan and Azerbaijan.

And Japan think that Turkey would secretly transfer the technology to China.

Or Japan do not like Turkey buying Chinese weapon and Turkey need to be punished?
 
The article in a nutshell, said loudly Japan do not trust Turkey?

Japan think that Turkey would give the weapon parts to Pakistan and Azerbaijan.

And Japan think that Turkey would secretly transfer the technology to China.

Or Japan do not like Turkey buying Chinese weapon and Turkey need to be punished?

Turkey themselves is not threat to Japan, but Pakistan ? is it not true that they allied with China ?
 
The article in a nutshell, said loudly Japan do not trust Turkey?

Japan think that Turkey would give the weapon parts to Pakistan and Azerbaijan.

And Japan think that Turkey would secretly transfer the technology to China.

Or Japan do not like Turkey buying Chinese weapon and Turkey need to be punished?
You didn't read it well enough. Japan doesn't like Turkey close to China since there would be a bigger threat that China might try to steal tech we obtained from Japan. You are not the only one with this concern. NATO has the same concerns and don't want us to work together with China. I don't know what Erdogan is thinking. China is not a country to be friends with. Luckily nothing is signed with China. I hope we make a u-turn and turn our back to China and give full commitment to Japan.
 
Turkey themselves is not threat to Japan, but Pakistan ? is it not true that they allied with China ?
I believed Pakistan is both a friend of Turkey and China. You have to ask the Japanese why they object to Pakistan.

You didn't read it well enough. Japan doesn't like Turkey close to China since there would be a bigger threat that China might try to steal tech we obtained from Japan. You are not the only one with this concern. NATO has the same concerns and don't want us to work together with China. I don't know what Erdogan is thinking. China is not a country to be friends with. Luckily nothing is signed with China. I hope we make a u-turn and turn our back to China and give full commitment to Japan.
Turkey buys weapon from many countries. I am sure Turkey military is quite capable of keeping any technology they acquired secret if they want to.
 
The article talks about Tank engines and nothing else. The escalation to espionage is an indication of NATO's pressure on Japan, after Turkey choosed the Japanese engines rather than European or American ones, by dictating the contract closes and fabricating "worries". Since this is the second time that Turkey is looking for other than NATO members weapons and technologies, The worries seem most probably to be those of NATO.
 
As far as battle tank engine go, I do not think China need Japanese technology.
China already has tank engine with German tech and indigenous engine for the 99 MBT.
 
"The move shocked NATO, as it was preparing to build an integrated air-defense system within its members to put Russia in check. It feared Turkey's partnership with a Chinese defense contractor could cause a leakage of sensitive military information on the Western alliance."

China is unreliable partner. That is why Turkey didn't sign anything with China. Other than Pakistan China doesn't have any friends for a reason.
 
How Chinese tank could hurt Japanese ? unless Japan plan to invade China again ?
 
Well, the logic of the Japanese prime minister is confusing.

Turkey want to buy tank engine from Japan.

Turkey want to buy surface to air missile from China. Which has absolutely nothing to do with Japan.

And yet Japan say somehow the tank engine technology could leak to China?? How?

Or is it that Japan is not happy that Turkey buy from China therefore Japan would not sell engine to Turkey as a punishment?
 
This time they will beat the hell out off Japan

is there any good thing for you if that happen ?

Well, the logic of the Japanese prime minister is confusing.

Turkey want to buy tank engine from Japan.

Turkey want to buy surface to air missile from China. Which has absolutely nothing to do with Japan.

And yet Japan say somehow the tank engine technology could leak to China?? How?

Or is it that Japan is not happy that Turkey buy from China therefore Japan would not sell engine to Turkey as a punishment?

I'm sure you did not read carefully
 
is there any good thing for you if that happen ?



I'm sure you did not read carefully
Ok, in the article, "Closer ties between Turkey and China would mean the higher risk of leaks on Japan's technology to China."
Therefore that mean Japan do not trust Turkey, Japan think that Turkey might one day leak the technology to China.
 
Well, the logic of the Japanese prime minister is confusing.

Turkey want to buy tank engine from Japan.

Turkey want to buy surface to air missile from China. Which has absolutely nothing to do with Japan.

And yet Japan say somehow the tank engine technology could leak to China?? How?

Or is it that Japan is not happy that Turkey buy from China therefore Japan would not sell engine to Turkey as a punishment?
Abe thinks on the long term. Turkey has to choose between China or Japan in his eyes. If Turkey and Japan start other projects like joint fighter or something similar. China could steal information and make crap copies.
Ok, in the article, "Closer ties between Turkey and China would mean the higher risk of leaks on Japan's technology to China."
Therefore that mean Japan do not trust Turkey, Japan think that Turkey might one day leak the technology to China.
Not necessarily. For example if Turkey bought air defence from China, which we didn't buy by the way, China could steal NATO secret information, this doesn't mean that NATO doesn't trust Turkey, it means they don't trust those god damned Chines.
We don't beg you to buy our production,turk joker.Don't like it?then fack off.We have our own red line.
Watch your mouth. Nobody wants your crap copies.
 
Ok, in the article, "Closer ties between Turkey and China would mean the higher risk of leaks on Japan's technology to China."
Therefore that mean Japan do not trust Turkey, Japan think that Turkey might one day leak the technology to China.

As article, Turkey implies they would sell their tank to Islamic countries as Pakistan ... which is get disagree from Japan if Turkey tanks mounted Japanese technology engines ...
 

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