China renames a river because it sounds Arabic

[Dungeness]

Without Mao's culture reform, China would be another India or even worse.

Wouldn't worse but wouldn't be much better either. The hard working tradition of Chinese people would still play a big part in China's social development. Historically, Chinese people never believe so called "after life", so they would make the best out of this life, thus forward the society.

 

[haidian]

Mao's cultural reform was right, but he went too far to the extreme, that was bad. that's why I say it's good and bad. it's not as simple as black and white.

But he got things done and laid cultural and ideological scientific foundation for the future development and modernization, the results justified the course.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

It's good and bad, it's not a black and white issue, small places like south Korea and Taiwan, smaller than a Chinese province both in size and population can always be easier to fix, but a massive country like China and India, things can be very different, nothing short of a radical reform can shake those deep rooted cultural dregs.

Really?!

I thought you people credited China's success over India to Chinese culture, chinese intelligence, and Chinese ingenuity. Now you credit Mao as well? Interesting...

Also, one thing where India has been much successful than China, which is important, has been to build a national narrative and assimilate people. China on the other hand has been totally unsuccessful in assimilating any people that weren't already assimilated and building a national inclusive narrative.

Look at Xinjiang, you think the Uygurs there won't rebel at the first chance they get when China is weak?

Or look at Tibet. The same.

Or even further, look at Hong Kong. That place is actually settled by Han Chinese, but you can't even assimilate them.

You are VERY VERY poor at Soft Skills.

 

[haidian]

Really?!
one thing where India has been much successful than China, which is important, has been to build a national narrative and assimilate people. China on the other hand has been totally unsuccessful in assimilating any people that weren't already assimilated and building a national inclusive narrative.

Look at Xinjiang, you think the Uygurs there won't rebel at the first chance they get when China is weak?

To be frank, there are no rebels fighting the Chinese government in China, everywhere is peaceful and safe with world class infrastructure and booming economy and tourism, I call this a success, not a failure. as for India, we all know how many rebels and insurgencies are plaguing the country, I don't believe you can't call that a success.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Wouldn't worse but wouldn't be much better either. The hard working tradition of Chinese people would still play a big part in China's social development. Historically, Chinese people never believe so called "after life", so they would make the best out of this life, thus forward the society.

No body always stays hard working. Often time it is also generational.

Look at white Americans. They used to be really hard working when their ancestors immigrated. But current White Americans?

Or even for yourself. The current day Chinese are not as hard working.

The reputation of Chinese as good students is also wearing off as these days many Chinese people with money and no hope of getting a good college in China, go to all sorts of universities abroad in Australia, UK, US etc.

Hardwork is not a genetic feature. It is to some extent cultural, but culture itself changes and evolves.

 

[Dungeness]

Even the CCP has formally accepted that cultural revolution was a bad thing and was a failure, but you seem to keep insisting that.

Your statement could also be modified and written as:

Without Mao's cultural revolution, China would be another South Korea/Taiwan or even better!

Just because CPC said so at one point of time in the past, doesn't mean every Chinese has to subscribe to it. Your understanding of China's cultural revolution remain at superficial level. Without Mao's revolutions and reforms, China would have been a bigger version of Taiwan, but nothing more. It will never become a power that can alter the World Order set by the West.

India needs a "cultural revolution" and many other reforms to be relevant as a World Power.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

To be frank, there are no rebels fighting the Chinese government in China, everywhere is peaceful and safe with world class infrastructure and booming economy and tourism, I call this a success, not a failure. as for India, we all know how many rebels and insurgencies are plaguing the country, I don't believe you can call that a success.

Wait a minute.. You don't consider HK to be a part of China? Or taiwan to be a part of China?

It is China that has a whole part of its stated claim which has a modern military with fighter jets and submarines, not India.

In India, only the Kashmir issue still remains. The rest have largely been settled and people assimilated.

Earlier there were many many many issues, from Punjab, to pretty much whole of the North-East, to Tamils, to Naxals, to many other things.

Now almost all are under control, and largely people have been assimilated into a broader idea of India.

 

[Dungeness]

No body always stays hard working. Often time it is also generational.

Look at white Americans. They used to be really hard working when their ancestors immigrated. But current White Americans?

Or even for yourself. The current day Chinese are not as hard working.

The reputation of Chinese as good students is also wearing off as these days many Chinese people with money and no hope of getting a good college in China, go to all sorts of universities abroad in Australia, UK, US etc.

Hardwork is not a genetic feature. It is to some extent cultural, but culture itself changes and evolves.

Unless Chinese suddenly believe in "After Life", they will for generations work harder than the rest of world.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Just because CPC said so at one point of time in the past, doesn't mean every Chinese has to subscribe to it. Your understanding of China's cultural revolution remain at superficial level. Without Mao's revolutions and reforms, China would have been a bigger version of Taiwan, but nothing more. It will never become a power that can alter the World Order set by the West.

India needs a "cultural revolution" and many other reforms to be relevant as a World Power.

To be relevant as a world power, countries need actual power.

A China that was large sized version of Taiwan would today have a GDP roughly twice that of the US, or pretty much the combination of whole of the west.

That thing itself is world altering.

Unless Chinese suddenly believe in "After Life", they will for generations work harder than the rest of world.

Believing in after life or God in general doesn't have much to do with the capacity to work hard.

The previous generation of Europeans were religious folks, but were still ingenuous and hard workers. The current generation has lost its religiosity and yet still is not able to work even a fraction as hard as their ancestors.

 

[haidian]

Wait a minute.. You don't consider HK to be a part of China? Or taiwan to be a part of China?

It is China that has a whole part of its stated claim which has a modern military with fighter jets and submarines, not India.

In India, only the Kashmir issue still remains. The rest have largely been settled and people assimilated.

Earlier there were many many many issues, from Punjab, to pretty much whole of the North-East, to Tamils, to Naxals, to many other things.

Now almost all are under control, and largely people have been assimilated into a broader idea of India.

India has many rebels and insurgencies , we all know that, they are far from under control. Hong kong has a riot, but they are not insurgencies, many countries experience those social turbulence it's only limited to one city. Taiwan and mainland China has historic disputes and both claim they represent China, it's not a rebellion. Saying India is doing better than China in assimilation is just untrue.

 

[nang2]

Believing in after life or God in general doesn't have much to do with the capacity to work hard.

The previous generation of Europeans were religious folks, but were still ingenuous and hard workers. The current generation has lost its religiosity and yet still is not able to work even a fraction as hard as their ancestors.

It doesn't only when the phrase "work hard" is generic. If it means working hard on something in this life, then believing in after life will affect the capacity of "work hard". Believing in after life means you will work for it, which consumes some energy that would otherwise be spent on working for something in this life. Of course, there is an exception, which is what I would call "lazy belief". Yes, a person believes in after life but he spends very little time for it and just takes the word from some priest that promises him a good after life with minimum effort. The previous generation of Europeans may fall into this category.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

India has many rebels and insurgencies , we all know that, they are far from under control. Hong kong has a riot, but they are not insurgencies, many countries experience those social turbulence it's only limited to one city. Taiwan and mainland China has historic disputes and both claim they represent China, it's not a rebellion. Saying India is doing better than China in assimilation is just untrue.

So please tell me which rebel and insurgency does India have?

HongKong is not a rebellion? When part of the Hongkongers are singing American anthem and raising American flags? Some of them are throwing petrol bombs at the government. When so many of Hong Kong's leaders are touring the west asking out in open to help them.

Also, taiwan still claims to be the ROC only because otherwise there may be a war. Most of the taiwanese don't consider themselves Chinese and many support Taiwan independence. The current president is a person who wants independence.

Also, look at what India came from. China was far more unified in ethnicity and culture than India was when they both were formed, but today India only really has one active, large scale rebellion and insurgency.

My test of assimilation is whether a region or group of people will rebel or go their own way, when the central authority weakens.

 

[haidian]

A China that was large sized version of Taiwan would today have a GDP roughly twice that of the US, or pretty much the combination of whole of the west.

That thing itself is world altering.

A small place can always get rich fast, Hong kong, Taiwan, Singapore, Macau , but a huge country like China is very different, that's common sense, so your comparison doesn't make any sense.

So please tell me which rebel and insurgency does India have?

https://www.google.com/search?biw=1...5i362i39j35i39j0i131j0i10i67j0i67.ItaHfm6byu8

 

[nature is]

Another cheap propaganda. Local laws doesn't allow naming public location after foreign person or places, somehow it is twisted into narrative of muslims suppression. China had also demolished church, temple, mosque, and even Mao stature that was built without proper approval. Yeah, CCP suppressed communist too.


China's Huge Golden Mao Statue Torn Down
https://time.com/4172851/china-mao-statue-torn-down/

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

This is a pretty terrible precedent for China. They seem to be following India’s cultural reconquista policy.

Hui Muslims are assimilated fully into society, there is no reason to antagonize them further.

China should celebrate Islam, because it is only with Islamic countries and Islamic provinces in China that CPEC is possible.

Be different than the decadent and bankrupt West and selfish Russians.

Unless Chinese suddenly believe in "After Life", they will for generations work harder than the rest of world.

Then all is fair in stealing, murdering, rape, and committing evil, as there is no accountability unless your government catches you.

Moral bankruptcy should not be admired, but shunned. It is the decay and decimation of society.