China needs to increase its nuclear warheads to 1,000: Global Times

[xuxu1457]

10 cities too easy for China.
China can easily did that with only single DF-41 ICBM launch (12 MIRV Thermonuclear Warhead)
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1.Also consider the need for enough warheads to survive a first strike.
2.We need to take into account the interception situation, It can survive enough warheads after the first strike.in any interception situation, can guarantee at least 10 cities

 

[Jackdaws]

China doesn't need such a large nuclear arsenal ... if anything that would arouse much greater suspicion towards them ...


I don't think those countries were even close to ever weaponizing uranium for a nuclear weapon though


Even if they were going to increase the nuclear arsenal they would never reveal this in public ... it would only increase tensions and possibly lead other countries to increase their respective arsenals. Any increase would be secret.

South Africa built nuclear weapons and then voluntarily gave them up.

After Cuban Missile Crisis, the South Americans took a decision not to have nukes. Given their technological prowess, it wouldn't have been very difficult for Argentina and Brazil to develop nukes.

 

[Paul2]

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1187766.shtml

China needs to expand the number of its nuclear warheads to 1,000 in a relatively short time. It needs to have at least 100 Dongfeng-41 strategic missiles. We are a peace-loving nation and have committed to never being the first to use nuclear weapons, but we need a larger nuclear arsenal to curb US strategic ambitions and impulses toward China. Maybe we have to deal with challenges with stronger determination in the near future, which requires the support of the Dongfeng and Julang missiles.

Don't be naïve. Don't assume that nuclear warheads are useless. In fact, they are being used every day as a deterrent to shape the attitudes of US elites toward China. Some Chinese experts say we don't need more nuclear weapons, I think they are as naïve as children.

Some people may call me a"war monger" because I want the country to have more nuclear warheads. They should instead give this label to US politicians who are openly hostile to China. I always hope China and the US can get along with each other, but peaceful coexistence between the two countries is not a thing that can be begged for; it's shaped by strategic tools. This is particularly true as we are facing an increasingly irrational US, which only believes in strength. We don't have much time debating the need for increased nuclear warheads, we just need to accelerate the steps that make it happen.

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There is a consensus emerging among Chinese strategic planners that we need to radically overhaul our nuclear deterrence. It's obvious if you read Chinese media, now it's also trickling into English media like GT. Right now we can wipe out a handful of US cities in a second strike, NY, LA, DC, Chicago, etc. no problem, but beyond that is uncertain as it depends on the survival rate of our arsenal after first strike and the effectiveness of US ABM systems. For proper deterrence, we need the ability to wipe out every man, woman and child in the US, all 330M of them. Hope our enemies never forget: their continued life on earth comes from the charity, mercy and benevolence we show them, so they should be grateful, otherwise we can revoke their permission to live at any time

In what country, a decision on a nuclear arsenal is made by a newspaper?

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1.Also consider the need for enough warheads to survive a first strike.
2.We need to take into account the interception situation, It can survive enough warheads after the first strike.in any interception situation, can guarantee at least 10 cities

China is the one and only country with which can realistically think of "taking a hit" as a valid strategy.

Think of any country that can survive first strike, second strike, fight a conventional war, and then come out of that in one piece as a country.

I often see big name American strategy people expressing such sentiment: "a non-nuclear country, or a non-superpower level nuclear country can afford to use military power without fear of an opponent launching an all in counterattack upon first missile warning."

I find this idiotic, and god save America if their real military strategists think the same way as their think tankers.

Do you really care if your high command be taken out by a "limited scale" tactical nuclear attack, or an all in counterattack? If your HQ is down, it's all over for you in both cases.

This sounds almost like them saying "we don't want to fight with big guns, because the enemy will fight back with big guns too."

Them saying this, immediately implies that they don't want to fight to defend their allies for real, which means them being shitty allies.

Back to the main topic, I myself would be a big proponent of hiding as much of our nuclear capability as possible. NW are not a deterrent on a scale of superpowers, because superpowers can reasonably hope to survive and recover from them.

To fight a nuclear war for a superpower, means to fight it to the bitter end. To win it, or die. You die, I live.

The most stupid thing you can do to yourself as a nuclear country, is to disclose the extend of your firepower, and potency of your weapons.

 

[OIO]

China doesn't need such a large nuclear arsenal ... if anything that would arouse much greater suspicion towards them ...


I don't think those countries were even close to ever weaponizing uranium for a nuclear weapon though


Even if they were going to increase the nuclear arsenal they would never reveal this in public ... it would only increase tensions and possibly lead other countries to increase their respective arsenals. Any increase would be secret.

China is facing NATO+5 eyes, not only America.

In what country, a decision on a nuclear arsenal is made by a newspaper?


China is the one and only country with which can realistically think of "taking a hit" as a valid strategy.

Think of any country that can survive first strike, second strike, fight a conventional war, and then come out of that in one piece as a country.

I often see big name American strategy people expressing such sentiment: "a non-nuclear country, or a non-superpower level nuclear country can afford to use military power without fear of an opponent launching an all in counterattack upon first missile warning."

I find this idiotic, and god save America if their real military strategists think the same way as their think tankers.

Do you really care if your high command be taken out by a "limited scale" tactical nuclear attack, or an all in counterattack? If your HQ is down, it's all over for you in both cases.

This sounds almost like them saying "we don't want to fight with big guns, because the enemy will fight back with big guns too."

Them saying this, immediately implies that they don't want to fight to defend their allies for real, which means them being shitty allies.

Back to the main topic, I myself would be a big proponent of hiding as much of our nuclear capability as possible. NW are not a deterrent on a scale of superpowers, because superpowers can reasonably hope to survive and recover from them.

To fight a nuclear war for a superpower, means to fight it to the bitter end. To win it, or die. You die, I live.

The most stupid thing you can do to yourself as a nuclear country, is to disclose the extend of your firepower, and potency of your weapons.

America maybe start the war with nuclear weapons, no conventional war at all.

 

[FuturePAF]

If an article like this is coming out, it’s meant to signal that they:

1. already have 1000 warheads if not more
2. They are probably on their way to the 1550 warhead limit set for the US and Russia under New Start, to be seen as one of the big 3 nuclear powers
3. They are a superpower in all important ways

With a new Cold War starting, they are smart to show that part of their hand. It is literally how deterrence works; as we can see by the actions of North Korea.

For Pakistan, building tunnel complexes similar to China will be a force multiplier for its arsenal. Even if only hundreds of miles of tunnels are built it will make a first strike very hard for an enemy contemplating it. Coupled with building out the triad and making missiles out of composite carbon fiber materials will ensure Pakistan maintains a Credible minimum deterrent.

In terms of numbers, Pakistan would need more advanced warheads with decoys, MIRVs, and larger numbers to ensure enough can get through.

400+ Could be a large enough number to ensure there are enough for what ever contingency develops, especially if the weapons are at least of the yield similar to those used by the major powers, as North Korea has reached.

Chinese Tunnels:

 

[vishwambhar]

Does China have Neuron bomb? I know they have Thermonuclear bombs.....

 

[beijingwalker]

I think it's stupid to spend billions to maintain a nuclear stockpile that can destory the earth 1000 times, even trying to destroy the earth once amounts to committing suicide.

 

[xuxu1457]

A limited minimum nuclear force is necessary, We can't rely on the promises of others.
With the increase of US anti-missile forces, China's nuclear forces will also increase slowly.

 

[Daniel808]

If an article like this is coming out, it’s meant to signal that they:

1. already have 1000 warheads if not more
2. They are probably on their way to the 1550 warhead limit set for the US and Russia under New Start, to be seen as one of the big 3 nuclear powers
3. They are a superpower in all important ways

With a new Cold War starting, they are smart to show that part of their hand. It is literally how deterrence works; as we can see by the actions of North Korea.

For Pakistan, building tunnel complexes similar to China will be a force multiplier for its arsenal. Even if only hundreds of miles of tunnels are built it will make a first strike very hard for an enemy contemplating it. Coupled with building out the triad and making missiles out of composite carbon fiber materials will ensure Pakistan maintains a Credible minimum deterrent.

In terms of numbers, Pakistan would need more advanced warheads with decoys, MIRVs, and larger numbers to ensure enough can get through.

400+ Could be a large enough number to ensure there are enough for what ever contingency develops, especially if the weapons are at least of the yield similar to those used by the major powers, as North Korea has reached.

Chinese Tunnels:

You know China's style so much bro

 

[Paul2]

Does China have Neuron bomb?

I don't think so, it is more of a political weapon, than a military one.

The selling point of enhanced irradiation warsheads is that it is hypothetically more effective against crew behind armour in a limited set of cases.

From what is now known, the enhanced effect is so limited in relation to the effective range of the blast wave that would be sufficient to destroy a tank, that it would make no difference.

But it surely sounded scary to civilians back in sixties America.

 

[FuturePAF]

I think it's stupid to spend billions to maintain a nuclear stockpile that can destory the earth 1000 times, even trying to destroy the earth once amounts to committing suicide.

These forces are for national prestige more than anything. Without maintaining a similar force to the US, Russia would have been long sidelined after the Cold War ended. The fact that they still have a comparable force to the US keeps them in an elite group of powers, and still buys them global influence. For China, having reached the leave of the DF-41 and JL-3, which are comparable to US and Russian systems, they will build out the force, such that they are seen as a Military Superpower. These weapons are indeed a waste of money if it weren’t for the psychological effect they will have globally.

They will probably be maintained at a low level of readiness in the tunnel complexes to save on costs. The SSBNs will probably just operate in the Bohai Sea similar to the Soviet bastion model, with heavy naval ASW defenses to keep everyone else out.

Perhaps by the 80th anniversary parade in a little under 10 years from now, they will have reach New Start levels (ICBMs, H-20/H-18 Bombers, and the Type 096 SSBN in numbers) that they can declare themselves fully a nuclear superpower.

 

[52051]

Using COVID-19 as an example, the US actually enjoying an low-Human rights advantage VS China, they don't care about how many killed in their own country, comparing with their own money, human lives means nothing to them.

So it is naïve to believe just threaten wiping-out 10 cities or kill 10 million US population would be enough, China need MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) to calm the US down.

By the way, the effect of nuclear weapon is vastly overestimated.

The explosion damage can be vastly contained by modern cemented buildings and underground structures, whilst the radiation damage is nowhere near the damage caused by the accident of a civil nuclear reactors, actually the radiation damage of today's nuclear bomb can only last for 2 weeks, after that it is pretty safe for human to enter the impact region, even without any protection.

Modern day nuclear bomb only contain several kilograms' radiation stuff, comparing to hundreds of tonnes found in nuclear reactors.

So there wont be any long-lasting effect of nuclear explosion, and China has the world's largest underground structures and the best organization social structure, as COVID-19 has demonstrated, so even if shit hit fan, despite of a large human loss, China can survive an all out nuclear war, and rebuild themselves in probably a surprisingly short period of time.

What China need to do is to have sufficient nuclear weapons at hand to ensure the enemy have the same if not more human loss.

Not saying I am a nuclear-war nuts, but you need to throughout-ly plan to fight and win a nuclear war first to (hopefully) avoid a nuclear war in the future.

 

[zhxy]

1,000 nuclear warheads are too few. Remember that the United States have the most advanced missile defense and warning systems in the world. Moreover, the United States also has support from Nato. Even when attacked by thousands of nuclear warheads from China or Russia, leaders and parts of the U.S. and NATO populations can still survive deep underground facilities.

China needs at least 35,000 nuclear warheads. In the first attack, 17,000 warheads were fired at the United States, 2,000 warheads hit US military bases in Asia and 6,000 warheads attacked NATO countries.

The remaining 10,000 nuclear warheads were considered strategic reserves, necessary to continue the second nuclear attack and, if necessary, detonate themselves on the territory.

Such a nuclear war will create eternal feud. Do not bet on luck. Do not be merciful. Launch the strongest punch that China can and never stops. Do not give enemies and their descendants any chance. A dead enemy is a good enemy

By the way, the effect of nuclear weapon is vastly overestimated.

The explosion damage can be vastly contained by modern cemented buildings and underground structures, whilst the radiation damage is nowhere near the damage caused by the accident of a civil nuclear reactors, actually the radiation damage of today's nuclear bomb can only last for 2 weeks, after that it is pretty safe for human to enter the impact region, even without any protection.

Modern day nuclear bomb only contain several kilograms' radiation stuff, comparing to hundreds of tonnes found in nuclear reactors.

So there wont be any long-lasting effect of nuclear explosion

Therefore, there is no way to determine victory or defeat with just one attack. Nuclear war should be launched in several stages. First wipe out 90% of the enemy population, 2nd and 3rd to ensure the enemy's population does not exceed 1%. 4th if necessary

 

[donkeykong]

Definitely need a lot more nuclear weapons. Maybe nuclear weapons in space as well so it can be dropped on the Americans from another angle. Very important to keep the enemy from trying something dirty.

 

[samsara]

By PEPE ESCOBAR, an experienced journalist as well as an author of several books in geopolitics-economy, born in Brazil in 1954, first posted at ASIA TIMES (2020-08-24)

[...]

TRIAL BALLOONS or OFFICIAL POLICY?

The plot thickens when one takes into consideration a series of trial balloons that started to float a few days ago in select Chinese media. Here are some of the key points.
[I just present some key points related to military things]

4. On what is largely interpreted across China as the “FULL SPECTRUM WAR” front, mostly HYBRID WAR, the PLA has been put into Stage 3 alert – and all leaves are canceled for the rest of 2020. There will be a concerted drive to increase all-round defense spending to 4% of GDP and ACCELERATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS. Details are bound to emerge during the Central Committee meeting IN OCTOBER.

INBUILT IN THIS DRIVE is what has been described as “to firmly abandon ALL ILLUSIONS about the United States and conduct war mobilization with our people. We shall vigorously promote the war to resist US aggression (…) We will use a WAR MINDSET to steer the national economy (…) Prepare for the complete interruption of relations with the US.”

It’s unclear as it stands if these are only trial balloons disseminated across Chinese public opinion or decisions reached at the “invisible” Beidaihe. So all eyes will be on what kind of language this alarming configuration will be packaged when the Central Committee presents its strategic planning IN OCTOBER. Significantly, that will happen only a few weeks before the US election.


A forceful point is also made that historical materialism is INCOMPATIBLE with capitalist liberal democracy FORCING AUSTERITY and REGIME CHANGE on national systems, shaping them towards preconceived models.

That always comes back to the core of the CCP foreign policy: each nation must chart a course fit for its national conditions.

And that reveals the full contours of what can be reasonably described as a CENTRALIZED MERITOCRACY with CONFUCIAN, SOCIALIST CHARACTERISTICS: a different civilization paradigm that the “indispensable nation” still refuses to accept, and certainly won’t abolish by practicing HYBRID WAR.

Read the full, fascinating, relatively brief article at below:

China: everything proceeding according to plan | The Vineyard of the Saker

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