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— By K J M Varma | May 01, 2016 12:03 am


Beijing : China and Japan agreed to step up efforts to improve their relations frozen over rival claims on a group of islands as the Foreign Ministers of the world’s second and the third-largest economies held rare talks after a gap of over four years. On a fence mending visit, Japanese Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida held talks with Chinese counterpart Wang Yi. He also met Chinese Premier Li Keqiang and State Councillor Yang Jiechi.

Receiving Kishida, Wang said “if you come with sincerity we welcome you”. “We have seen signs of improvement in China-Japan relations. However, there is still a lack of mutual trust between the two sides. Your visit this time is of positive significance,” Wang said. Outlining China’s thinking over shoring up the ties between the two countries, Wang said they should have a more positive and healthy attitude toward the growth of China and should stop spreading or echoing all kinds of “China threat” or “China economic recession” theories. Kishida highlighted that China’s development means opportunities for Japan, saying that the Japanese side commends China for its positive role and contributions in many international and regional affairs.

As the world’s third- and second-largest economies, Japan and China shoulder more responsibilities for the development and prosperity of Asia and beyond, Kishida said.

The two ministers agreed to step up efforts to accelerate the pace of improvement in political relations, Japanese news agency Kyodo reported.

High-level ties between the two countries have remained largely frozen since Japan nationalised a group of uninhabited East China Sea islands claimed by China in 2012. The move sparked deep anger in China. The uninhabited islands – believed to be rich with oil and minerals – are called Senkakus by Japan and Diaoyu by China. The island dispute led to polarisation of sentiments in both the countries affecting their flourishing trade ties.

Kishida stressed the need of stronger mutual trust by promoting cooperation in various nonpolitical fields, such as economics, the environment and youth exchanges, according to the ministry.

Wang said that China-Japan ties must be based on “respect for history, adherence to commitment and cooperation rather than confrontation.” Wang said China and Japan are neighbours and stressed that China is willing to develop a healthy and stable relationship with Japan.
 
Kishida stressed the need of stronger mutual trust by promoting cooperation in various nonpolitical fields, such as economics, the environment and youth exchanges, according to the ministry.

This man think he's smart with the wish to cooperate with China on other field such economic,and environment while use political mean to create trouble for China, this is not the way to promote trust nor improve tie.:coffee:,
 
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Wish Japan and China become friends like before !!!
China should abandon the request for Senkaku islands which Japan controlling.
 
Wish Japan and China become friends like before !!!
China should abandon the request for Senkaku islands which Japan controlling.

Well, considering about "controlling". China set up Air Defense Identification Zone (East China Sea) over Diaoyu islands at 2013(Nov,23).

As of Dec. 4, 2013 some 55 airlines in 19 countries and 3 regions have complied with China's ADIZ rules.

japan finally agreed to complied the rules after US agreed to follow Chinese ADIZ rules.:usflag:
 
I means there's no benefit for China to raise the tension on an island which China never touch during entire of 20th century.

Well, followed by your logic, vietnam should not independent from China since it was a province of China for almost 1000 years and rest time mostly just a vassal state of China.
 
Well, followed by your logic, vietnam should not independent from China since it was a province of China for almost 100 years and rest years are a vassal state of China.

When Vietnam is a province of China?
Actually, you guys satisfy with "vassal state" usage, but ignore that China must accept stay away from the independence of Vietnam after major defeats.

Just like I K.O. you in a boxing game, and tell you "Ok, you win" . Will you go around and declare you defeated me?

Defeat of the Qing dynasty
Main article: Battle of Ngọc Hồi-Đống Đa

Late 18th-century painting depicting the Qianlong Emperor receiving Nguyen Quang-Hien, the peace envoy from Nguyen Hue in Beijing.

The Qianlong Emperor of the Chinese Qing dynasty sent a massive army south with Lê Chiêu Thống (the last official Lê emperor) in 1788 to restore him to the throne, though under Qing protection.

On December 22, 1788, Nguyễn Huệ erected an altar on a hill south of Phu Xuan and proclaimed himself Emperor Quang Trung, in effect abolishing on his own the Lê dynasty.[11] He then raised an army and later gathered his forces in the countryside around Thăng Long (today called Ha Noi) which had been taken by the Qing army. He declared in front of his soldiers:

Fight to keep our hair long,
Fight to keep our teeth black,
Fight so that our enemies won't have a single wheel to come home
Fight so that our enemies won't have a single armor to come home
Fight so that history knows this heroic Southern country has its owners.
In a brilliantly successful battle, Nguyễn Huệ made a surprise and fast attack against the Qing forces during Tết, the Vietnamese lunar new year holiday. This was traditionally a time of peace for all sides and the Qing troops were unprepared for battle. In a fierce 4-day battle they were soundly and stunningly defeated and Lê Chiêu Thống was forced to flee for his life back to China. Yet, Nguyễn Huệ showed considerable gallantry to the defeated Qing forces, allowing them to return home with honor and encouraging a peaceful relationship in keeping with previous arrangements, with the Qianlong Emperor. As for himself, Nguyễn Huệ had become the national savior of Vietnam and one of the most popular figure in the country.

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Từ trước khi giao chiến với quân Thanh, Quang Trung đã tính đến chiến lược ngoại giao với nhà Thanh. Theo phương lược vạch sẵn, với tài ngoại giao khéo léo của Ngô Thì Nhậm, Tây Sơn nhanh chóng bình thường hóa bang giao với phương Bắc. Vua Càn Long nhà Thanh đã cho sứ giả sang Đại Việt phong vương cho Nguyễn Huệ; rồi hoàng đế Quang Trung giả đã sang triều kiến và dự lễ mừng thọ 80 tuổi của Càn Long.

Tháng 1 năm 1790, theo phương kế của Ngô Thì Nhậm,[52] Quang Trung sai người đóng giả làm mình cầm đầu đoàn sứ gồm 150 người sang Yên Kinh (Bắc Kinh sau này) triều kiến Càn Long. Các tài liệu ghi khác nhau về nhân vật đóng giả Quang Trung. Theo Hoàng Lê nhất thống chíViệt Nam Sử Lược, người đóng Nguyễn Huệ tên là Phạm Công Trị,[53] cháu gọi Nguyễn Huệ bằng cậu; theo Đại Nam chính biên liệt truyện thì người đó là tướng Nguyễn Quang Thực người Nghệ An. Mục đích của đoàn sứ là thăm dò thái độ của nhà Thanh đối với vị vua lưu vong Chiêu Thống của nhà Lê. Đại quan nhà Thanh là Phúc Khang An, từng sang chiến trường Đại Việt, bị Quang Trung mua chuộc đứng sau lưng đoàn sứ bộ,[54] nên nhiều tướng lĩnh nhà Thanh biết người cầm đầu sứ bộ không phải là Nguyễn Huệ, nhưng vì ngại gây hấn nên không nói ra.[52] Vua Càn Long đón tiếp trọng thể đoàn sứ bộ An Nam. Theo "Đại Thanh thực lục", nhà Thanh chi phí cho sứ đoàn mỗi ngày hết 4.000 lạng bạc (tổng cộng lên đến 800.000 tính cho tới khi sứ đoàn về).[55] Càn Long làm thơ, như sau:

Nguyên văn Hán Việt:

Doanh phiên nhập chúc trị thì tuần
Sơ kiến hồn như cựu thức thân
Y cổ vị văn lai Tượng quốc
Thắng triều vãng sự bỉ kim nhân
Cửu kinh nhu viễn chi trùng dịch
Gia hội ư kim miễn thể nhân
Vũ yển văn tu thuận thiên đạo
Đại Thanh tộ vĩnh vạn thiên xuân.

Tạm dịch là:

Nước phiên đến lúc ta đi tuần
Mới gặp mà như đã rất thân
Nước Tượng chưa từng nghe triều cận
Việc cống người vàng thật đáng khinh
Nhà Thanh coi trọng việc đi sứ
Chín đạo thường có đạo vỗ yên
Xếp võ tu văn thuận thiên đạo
Đại Thanh còn mãi vạn ngàn xuân.[56]

Phan Huy Ích tham gia sứ bộ cũng làm thơ có câu:

Nguyên văn Hán Việt:

Phiên quốc phụng thám tàn
Ky đắc kỳ tao ngộ
Phi tiên báo quốc nhân
Hoàng hoa đệ nhất bộ

Bản dịch:

Các nước phiên sang chầu
Mấy ai được như thế
Báo tin về nước ta
Sứ bộ mình là nhất.[57]

Tới tháng 11 năm 1790, đoàn sứ bộ trở về Thăng Long.

Theo các nhà nghiên cứu,[52] phái bộ này đã có ảnh hưởng tới thái độ của nhà Thanh đối với Lê Duy Kỳ. Sang năm 1791, nhà Thanh sai phân tán các quan lại cũ của nhà Lê đi các nơi để tách biệt không liên lạc được với nhau và cô lập Lê Duy Kỳ; bản thân Duy Kỳ bị giam lỏng ở "Tây An Nam dinh" tại Yên Kinh và sau ốm mà chết yểu. Nhà Tây Sơn chính thức nhận được sự công nhận của nhà Thanh.

Quang Trung không chỉ muốn hòa hoãn với Càn Long mà còn muốn xuất quân đánh nhà Thanh. Trước khi tính chuyện đánh Thanh, nhà vua cho quấy rối nội địa Trung Quốc bằng cách lợi dụng đảng "Thiên Địa Hội" khiêu khích người Thanh. Các biên thần nhà Thanh như Phúc Khang An (mới thay Tôn Sĩ Nghị) tuy biết rõ Tây Sơn có bí mật nhúng tay, nhưng cũng chịu nhịn cho qua chuyện.[54] Ông cũng cầu hôn với công chúa Thanh và xin đất Lưỡng Quảng để thử ý vua Thanh.[58] Dù vậy ý định này không kịp trở thành hiện thực do cái chết đột ngột của ông.[58]
 
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When Vietnam is a province of China?
Actually, you guys satisfy with "vassal state" usage, but ignore that China must accept stay away from the independence of Vietnam after major defeats.

Just like I K.O. you in a boxing game, and tell you "Ok, you win" . Will you go around and declare you defeated me?

FYI.....:coffee:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam

".......The Hồng Bàng dynasty of the Hùng kings is considered the first Vietnamese state, known in Vietnamese as Văn Lang. In 257 BC, the last Hùng king was defeated by Thục Phán, who consolidated the Lạc Việt and Âu Việttribes to form the Âu Lạc, proclaiming himself An Dương Vương. In 207 BC, a Chinese general named Zhao Tuo defeated An Dương Vương and consolidated Âu Lạc into Nanyue. However, Nanyue was itself incorporated into the empire of the Chinese Han dynasty in 111 BC after the Han–Nanyue War.
For the next thousand years, what is now northern Vietnam remained mostly under Chinese rule.[23] Early independence movements, such as those of the Trưng Sisters and Lady Triệu, were only temporarily successful, though the region gained a longer period of independence as Vạn Xuân under the Anterior Lý dynasty between AD 544 and 602.[24] By the early 10th century, Vietnam had gained autonomy, but not sovereignty, under the Khúc family......"

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I am not sure how your government told you about your country's history.......:omghaha:
 
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You should abandon your whole country likewise and hand it to China.

Actually, Qing dynasty gifted large areas including Taiwan and surround islands, to Japan.
It's American who controlled Senkaku at time, decided Senkaku belong to Japan.
Vietnam never gifted anything to China.

I have advice to you, let submit the case to PCA against American on their decision to transfer Senkaku control to Japan.

Anyway, even People Daily Newspaper ever used the name Senkaku during 1950s and recognize it's Japan territory. So how you say that belong to China?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Shimonoseki
  • Article 1: China recognizes definitively the full and complete independence and autonomy of Korea, and, in consequence, the payment of tribute and the performance of ceremonies and formalities by Korea to China, that are in derogation of such independence and autonomy, shall wholly cease for the future.
  • Articles 2 & 3: China cedes to Japan in perpetuity and full sovereignty of the Pescadores group, Formosa (Taiwan) and the eastern portion of the bay of Liaodong Peninsula together with all fortifications, arsenals and public property.
  • Article 4: China agrees to pay to Japan as a war indemnity the sum of 200,000,000 Kuping taels
  • Article 5: China opens Shashih, Chungking, Soochow and Hangchow to Japan. Moreover, China is to grant Japan most-favored-nation treatment.
 
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Defeat of the Qing dynasty
Main article: Battle of Ngọc Hồi-Đống Đa

Late 18th-century painting depicting the Qianlong Emperor receiving Nguyen Quang-Hien, the peace envoy from Nguyen Hue in Beijing.

Nice pic, all vietnameses at that pic were on their knees.:sarcastic:

From the same source you just gave.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ngọc_Hồi-Đống_Đa

".....he eventually submitted himself as vassal of the Qing Empire and agreed to pay tribute annually......"

Vietnam never gifted anything to China.


Well, at that bad days we gifted vietnam to France....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tientsin_(1885)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tientsin_Accord
".... was intended to settle an undeclared war between France and China over the sovereignty of Tonkin (northern Vietnam)...."

I have advice to you, let submit the case to PCA against American on their decision to transfer Senkaku control to Japan

Only weaklings try to ask help from outside.:-)
 
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I means there's no benefit for China to raise the tension on an island which China never touch during entire of 20th century.
What a nut, hehe!:coffee:

First you know that, the island belong to China, our land, whether we touch it during entire of 20th century is not your business, can't change the fact that it is our territory, understand?! you think territory can be exchanged?

Benefit? hehe, as you logic, If I sleep with you wife, you should be silent, because your action may lead to that I would hit your sh!t out of you mouth.

Your comment are always ridiculous, like other Vietnamese Comments, lack of basic logic, read and learn more, don't think reading several books, browsing some western website, then you become smart.:coffee:
 
Any improvement in relations will suit Japan much more that China.

Its very clear that good relations between china and Japan is a fantasy - for the next 10 generations anyways. East asia and the s.c.s will inevitable be pulled into Chinese sphere, regardless of good relations or not.
 

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