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China is winning the ideological battle with the U.S.
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President Trump attends a bilateral meeting with China's President Xi Jinping during the Group of 20 leaders summit in Osaka, Japan, on June 29. (Kevin Lamarque/Reuters)

By Michael McFaul
July 23 at 4:53 PM

I just spent a month in residence at Peking University in Beijing, meeting with dozens of government officials, entrepreneurs, scholars, think tankers and students. Here’s what I’ve concluded: The United States is losing the ideological battle with China.

Our military, economic and ideological competition with the People’s Republic of China will be a long one, and hopefully will be a contest in which both sides can achieve win-win outcomes while also manage zero-sum outcomes peacefully. But in the short run, especially during the Trump era, the United States has fallen behind in the competition of ideas.

Long before Donald Trump was elected president, China posed an attractive, alternative model to the U.S. system of government. In less than a generation, Chinese Communist Party leaders transformed their country from a poor, agrarian society into an industrialized, middle-income country. No country ever had achieved such rapid economic growth for such a sustained period of time. This economic miracle accorded China’s Leninist one-party regime legitimacy. The trade-off of fewer political rights for greater economic welfare seemed worth it to many, including those inside China as well as those watching admiringly in other less-developed countries.

While watching China’s rise, champions of the U.S. democratic model and liberalism more generally found comfort in three arguments. First, Chinese Communist leaders produced an average annual growth of nearly 10 percent for four decades by embracing economic liberalization rather than deepening central planning — in other words, they chose to become more like us economically. Second, some U.S. proponents of the benefits of democracy believed that Chinese economic modernization would eventually produce political modernization; China was on the road, however slow and winding, to becoming even more like us. Third, during China’s opening to the West over the past four decades, many Chinese — entrepreneurs, students, professors and even some officials — seemed genuinely to admire the United States. Small wonder that many assumed that we would win the Chinese over as more of them became acquainted with the U.S. model.

All three of these arguments seem much weaker today than just a few years ago.

First, Chinese Communist leader Xi Jinping has slowed the pace of market reforms and pivoted back toward greater support for state-owned enterprises, more state intervention in the economy, more restrictions on foreign investment, and greater party influence in private companies. Economic growth has slowed, but not by much. The Chinese economic system no longer seems to be converging with U.S.-style capitalism. Indeed, it looks increasingly more like a different model altogether, one that is still producing results.

Second, the hope that economic liberalization would generatedemand for democratic change has not yet occurred; some now believe it never will. Chinese Communist Party officials champion the advantages of their system — an ability to undertake massive infrastructure projects, the capacity to manage income inequalities and a commitment to harmony in government and society. In contrast, polarized U.S. politics in the Trump era seem to impede any major initiative, be it infrastructure development or addressing income inequality. The claim that democracy produces better social and economic outcomes than autocracies is increasingly easy for Chinese officials to rebut.

On the global stage, Xi sounds more committed to the multilateral world order than President Trump. In words if not always in actions, Xi has affirmed his support for the international rules of the game on trade, climate and security. Trump, meanwhile, has decided to withdraw from several international agreements — including the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the Paris climate accord, the Iran nuclear deal and the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty. Many Chinese also view Trump’s use of tariffs, as well as sanctions against the Chinese telecommunication company Huawei, as international rule-breaking, state interventions to aid U.S. firms. Many leaders around the world agree.

Third, and perhaps most alarming, my impression (and it’s just that, an impression) from encounters with dozens, if not hundreds, of Chinese students and scholars during my stay in China is that we are losing those who once admired us. Intellectuals no longer seek inspiration from U.S. democracy; Trump has dampened that. Human rights activists no longer wait for statements from U.S. officials on Chinese abuses; photographs of migrants in cages near the United States’ Southern border undermine the punch of any State Department statement on Uighur “reeducation” camps. When theU.S. government cancels visas for Chinese scholars, some who are considered within China to be pro-American, we lose the moral high ground in debates about the importance of the free flow of information. Chinese students still want to study in U.S. universities but worry they will face discrimination because of rising U.S. government anxieties about intellectual property theft.

During my month in China, it was still possible to play the “whataboutism” game. In response to claims about the superiority of the Leninist one-party system for producing economic growth, I reminded audiences at my lectures about the horrendous years of economic dislocation in the years of Mao Zedong’s rule under this same regime. When prodded about the inhumane treatment of asylum seekers on the Mexican-U.S. border, I brought up China’s “reeducation” camps in Xinjiang. When asked to defend the U.S. government’s intervention in the market to destroy Huawei, I made the same argument about Chinese government interventions to keep Google, Facebook and Twitter out of their market. In response to complaints about cancellations of U.S. visas for Chinese scholars, I countered with examples of similar treatment of some U.S. academics.

And yet, the United States should not need to play this game with China. As one of the world’s oldest democracies and onetime leader of the free world, we should not have to engage in whataboutism in comparison with any country. To regain the upper hand in the ideological struggle with China, we must renew our democracy at home and reengage in leading the liberal order abroad.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ogical-battle-with-us/?utm_term=.5da1fac3a234
 
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"The trade-off of fewer political rights for greater economic welfare seemed worth it to many, including those inside China as well as those watching admiringly in other less-developed countries."

Another meaningless article written under editor deadline.

The relevant word here is 'seemed', meaning currently apparent but no long term consequences in the horizon. China under communism also at one point 'seemed' attractive to many inside the US and all over the world. Same for Cuba and recently -- Venezuela. Less developed countries are usually less educated countries. No surprise there. So when those in less developed countries seemingly looks with admiration on now dictatorial -- not communist -- China, it is not the peoples that are looking but the leaderships of those less developed countries who are really looking and wanting to preserve their hold on power. China and Russia are still the eminent governments in that regard.

China is 'winning' the ideological battle? Wait about 50 yrs and see. :enjoy:
 
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What can we wait from an IQ90 people?. They can never understand IQ105 people move or thinking. The same in our daily life. We will waste time trying to explain to an un-educated thug about how the country should operate. He may understand nothing, but he for sure would keep his blind belief.
 
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By then US could be only one fifth of China's economy or less.
Could? Is that it? Your response is just as worthless as that article.

"In less than a generation, Chinese Communist Party leaders transformed their country from a poor, agrarian society into an industrialized, middle-income country. No country ever had achieved such rapid economic growth for such a sustained period of time."

But what Mr. McFaul omitted was that your China could not have achieved that without US. The US educated China, from the children of the ordinary to those of the elites. Marxism turned the Chinese economy into a crutch. The American consumers lifted you out of traction.

It should have been: "In less than a generation, the United States transformed China from a poor, agrarian society into an industrialized, middle-income country. Just like how Japan and South Korea turned out."

How many less developed countries can do what China did? Venezuela? Not too long ago on this forum, people were cheering on how supposedly the American dream was in Venezuela. Now the Venezuelans cannot even get decent toilet paper while Americans are confused on how many plies of toilet papers to wipe. What Venezuela copied from your China were inefficiencies and corruptions, like how it was under Mao. It took 30 YRS for your China to recover under American guidance, whether you like the word 'guidance' or not, that is exactly what it was. We schooled you. Now it will take Venezuela 30 yrs to do the same.

So no, we are not losing any ideological battle. :enjoy:
 
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Washingtonpost is owned by Neo-liberal Amazon CEO jeff bezos, they are just a mouthpiece for free-trade Neo-liberal economic BS.
 
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Could? Is that it? Your response is just as worthless as that article.

"In less than a generation, Chinese Communist Party leaders transformed their country from a poor, agrarian society into an industrialized, middle-income country. No country ever had achieved such rapid economic growth for such a sustained period of time."

But what Mr. McFaul omitted was that your China could not have achieved that without US. The US educated China, from the children of the ordinary to those of the elites. Marxism turned the Chinese economy into a crutch. The American consumers lifted you out of traction.

It should have been: "In less than a generation, the United States transformed China from a poor, agrarian society into an industrialized, middle-income country. Just like how Japan and South Korea turned out."

How many less developed countries can do what China did? Venezuela? Not too long ago on this forum, people were cheering on how supposedly the American dream was in Venezuela. Now the Venezuelans cannot even get decent toilet paper while Americans are confused on how many plies of toilet papers to wipe. What Venezuela copied from your China were inefficiencies and corruptions, like how it was under Mao. It took 30 YRS for your China to recover under American guidance, whether you like the word 'guidance' or not, that is exactly what it was. We schooled you. Now it will take Venezuela 30 yrs to do the same.

So no, we are not losing any ideological battle. :enjoy:

China is a communist country where state owned enterprises still comprise the lion's share of the overall economy, how can it be similar to US? China and US economic structures are as different as difference can, that's why US fear so much, to have something so different from theirs to take over their place in the world.
Comparing one fifth of humanity which produces most of everything in today's world with small state Venezuela is utterly stupid, not worth refuting.
 
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"The trade-off of fewer political rights for greater economic welfare seemed worth it to many, including those inside China as well as those watching admiringly in other less-developed countries."

Another meaningless article written under editor deadline.

The relevant word here is 'seemed', meaning currently apparent but no long term consequences in the horizon. China under communism also at one point 'seemed' attractive to many inside the US and all over the world. Same for Cuba and recently -- Venezuela. Less developed countries are usually less educated countries. No surprise there. So when those in less developed countries seemingly looks with admiration on now dictatorial -- not communist -- China, it is not the peoples that are looking but the leaderships of those less developed countries who are really looking and wanting to preserve their hold on power. China and Russia are still the eminent governments in that regard.

China is 'winning' the ideological battle? Wait about 50 yrs and see. :enjoy:
WHy wouldnt CUBA and VENEZUELA leaders want to preserve their "hold on power" when US has been working for decades to destroy or reduce it? I just love how you discuss Cuba and Venezuela as if US' interference has nothing to do with why they are in their current situation. smfh. but thats typical though! even in US here, most Americans see themselves as great and not actually contributing to destabilization of other countries, ESPECIALLY the communist/socialist leaning ones. but thats just a lie and brainwashing.
 
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China is a communist country where state owned enterprises still comprise the lion's share of the overall economy, how can it be similar to US? China and US economic structures are as different as difference can, that's why US fear so much, to have something so different from theirs to take over their place in the world.
Comparing one fifth of humanity which produces most of everything in today's world with small state Venezuela is utterly stupid, not worth refuting.
Did I compared China with Venezuela? As so often, you missed the point of the article and of my comment.

The point of the article is that China is seemingly offering the world an alternative to the US in the ideological front.

My point is -- WHERE and WHEN?

Here is what the article said: "China posed an attractive, alternative model to the U.S. system of government."

See the highlighted words? So my point is that in order for an alternative to be attractive, there has to be elements that are possible and feasible for those who are gawking, then there has to be adoption of the model, and finally there has to be successful long term practice. Show me how many countries that have done all three for the Chinese model of governance.

Nowhere did I compared China to Venezuela, pal. I pointed out Venezuela as a failure in trying to adopt your China model. Venezuela had so much more than most of the world to be successful but after adopting the China model, it collapsed. So what is so attractive about the China model?
 
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China is not ideological superpower. USSR was ideological superpower. China is nothing more then capitalist country (successful one, tbh). Communism in modern China is just facade.
 
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Could? Is that it? Your response is just as worthless as that article.

"In less than a generation, Chinese Communist Party leaders transformed their country from a poor, agrarian society into an industrialized, middle-income country. No country ever had achieved such rapid economic growth for such a sustained period of time."

But what Mr. McFaul omitted was that your China could not have achieved that without US. The US educated China, from the children of the ordinary to those of the elites. Marxism turned the Chinese economy into a crutch. The American consumers lifted you out of traction.

It should have been: "In less than a generation, the United States transformed China from a poor, agrarian society into an industrialized, middle-income country. Just like how Japan and South Korea turned out."

How many less developed countries can do what China did? Venezuela? Not too long ago on this forum, people were cheering on how supposedly the American dream was in Venezuela. Now the Venezuelans cannot even get decent toilet paper while Americans are confused on how many plies of toilet papers to wipe. What Venezuela copied from your China were inefficiencies and corruptions, like how it was under Mao. It took 30 YRS for your China to recover under American guidance, whether you like the word 'guidance' or not, that is exactly what it was. We schooled you. Now it will take Venezuela 30 yrs to do the same.

So no, we are not losing any ideological battle. :enjoy:
Under US guidance? I think you forget to read the article. It say China system is totally different from US. Who learn from who and who teaches who? China system is unique and invented by China, liberalisation with state control. If China follow US model, it a path towards destruction.
 
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Under US guidance? I think you forget to read the article. It say China system is totally different from US. Who learn from who and who teaches who? China system is unique and invented by China, liberalisation with state control. If China follow US model, it a path towards destruction.
Guidance, yes. The US definitely led you to where you are today. Embarrassing, ain't it?
 
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Nowhere did I compared China to Venezuela, pal. I pointed out Venezuela as a failure in trying to adopt your China model. Venezuela had so much more than most of the world to be successful but after adopting the China model, it collapsed. So what is so attractive about the China model?
First time I learned that Venezuela is trying to adopt China model, where and when and how?

China is not ideological superpower. USSR was ideological superpower. China is nothing more then capitalist country (successful one, tbh). Communism in modern China is just facade.
If you see more closely, you'll see the similar development path between China (Chinese Hong kong and Taiwan) Korea, Japan and Singapore, that's called "East Asian Development Model“, based on common Confucius ideology, I agree that communism is just a facade.
 
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China is not ideological superpower. USSR was ideological superpower. China is nothing more then capitalist country (successful one, tbh). Communism in modern China is just facade.

China apply mix economy just like Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore etc who has big state owned companies, some subsidies, and social program. In term of governance it is similar like one party controlled, something similar like Iraq during Saddam, Syria, North Korea with authoritarian tendency and no democracy.
 
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USSR as ideological superpower was a failed one hence it collapsed. China adopted the best methodologies for her own development path the past four decades and it turned out to be a major success we all can witness today.
 
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