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HYDERABAD: Chinese drug firms have begun luring senior scientists from Indian companies with strengths in documentation and English language to gain competence in the formulations segment. This trend is picking up at a time when India is trying to cut down its dependence on the Chinese supplies for bulk drugs or raw materials that go into making medicines.

The poaching from across the border could threaten the Indian drug makers and further heat up competition between the two Asian economies.

Though both nations boast of equal number of US FDA-approved manufacturing facilities, China leads in bulk drugs by a wide margin, while India is ahead in production and export of generic drugs, especially to regulated markets.

India has some 700 US FDA approved facilities, while China has about 600 such FDA approved plants. However, India got approvals for more than 300 drug master files (DMFs) accounting for nearly a third in the US market, whereas China lagged with around 150 DMFs approved, according to an Edelweiss report of November 2014.

A senior commerce ministry official, who did not want to be named, said, "Chinese companies of late are increasingly hiring the cream of Indian pharmaceutical scientists with strengths in formulations, some of whom are currently working with Indian pharmaceutical companies with operations in China. At least, 50-60 Indian pharmaceutical professionals were recruited by the Chinese firms in the management cadre over the past two years."

Chinese pharmaceutical companies are offering tempting pay packages, nearly 2.5-3 times more than what the Indian firms are paying, to attract Indian scientists to Chinese firms, said CV Narayan Rao, executive vice president at Natco Pharma. Rao, who was in China for nearly five years as head of Asia Pacific operations for the joint venture of Dr Reddy's Laboratories, said, "Apart from hefty pay package, Indian scientists get attracted to the robust urban and manufacturing infrastructure the Chinese entities offer, apart from a safe work environment."

Confirming the trend, director general of India's Pharmaceuticals Export Promotion Council (Pharmexcil) PV Appaji told ET, "Several instances of certain leading Chinese pharmaceutical firms hiring top Indian pharmaceutical scientists have come to our notice. It could be aimed at augmenting filing of abbreviated new drug applications (ANDAs) in the US and other regulated markets as China is currently building huge capacities to produce copycat medicines. We guess this trend should over a period of time help Indian companies increase their presence in China and vice versa."

A top Indian scientist, who did not wish his or his Chinese company's name to be identified, said he could not refuse the hefty salary and facilities offered two years back by his current employer on the east coast of China near Shanghai. Chinese drug makers that are increasingly hiring Indian talent pool have their facilities in the provinces of Zhejiang, Guangdong, Jiangsu and Hebei.

Chinese government and companies are scouring across the globe for talent by organising job fairs to attract specialised workforce, given their swelling need for a well trained workforce to support plans to move up the value chain in the life sciences sector, said KPMG's life sciences head Utkarsh Palnitkar.

"As China moves up the value chain from manufacturing 'simple to manufacture' molecules to 'more complex to manufacture', there will be a growing need to focus on research and development activities, that will push the demand for specialized job roles further," he told ET, adding that China was luring the Indian talent pool with its competitive compensation and benefits packages, given the growing demand for talent pool. Nazia Vasi, founder of Inchincloser, an Indo-China language and cultural consultancy, said, "Nearly 15 out of 100 top professionals in a recent batch that learnt Mandarin (official language of People's Republic of China) were from the pharmaceutical sector."

Palnitkar of KPMG said Chinese firms have been investing substantially on research and development (R&D) over the past few years with the R&D spent on pharmaceutical industry crossed $3,250 million in 2011 from a mere $162 million a decade back. The emerging trend could prove a major threat to the prospects of Indian drug makers, reckons Sujesh Vasudevan, president and head of Glenmark's India business. "China appears to have realized that there is no much value in active pharmaceutical ingredients and it is time for moving up the value chain. The Chinese have proved a serious threat and India should wake up before it is too late."

China luring Indian pharma scientists with 3 times higher pay to boost formulations segment - The Economic Times

Not necessarily a bad thing for India..

Also a good tip for @Bussard Ramjet when he seeks future employment.:lol:
 
HYDERABAD: Chinese drug firms have begun luring senior scientists from Indian companies with strengths in documentation and English language to gain competence in the formulations segment. This trend is picking up at a time when India is trying to cut down its dependence on the Chinese supplies for bulk drugs or raw materials that go into making medicines.

The poaching from across the border could threaten the Indian drug makers and further heat up competition between the two Asian economies.

Though both nations boast of equal number of US FDA-approved manufacturing facilities, China leads in bulk drugs by a wide margin, while India is ahead in production and export of generic drugs, especially to regulated markets.

India has some 700 US FDA approved facilities, while China has about 600 such FDA approved plants. However, India got approvals for more than 300 drug master files (DMFs) accounting for nearly a third in the US market, whereas China lagged with around 150 DMFs approved, according to an Edelweiss report of November 2014.

A senior commerce ministry official, who did not want to be named, said, "Chinese companies of late are increasingly hiring the cream of Indian pharmaceutical scientists with strengths in formulations, some of whom are currently working with Indian pharmaceutical companies with operations in China. At least, 50-60 Indian pharmaceutical professionals were recruited by the Chinese firms in the management cadre over the past two years."

Chinese pharmaceutical companies are offering tempting pay packages, nearly 2.5-3 times more than what the Indian firms are paying, to attract Indian scientists to Chinese firms, said CV Narayan Rao, executive vice president at Natco Pharma. Rao, who was in China for nearly five years as head of Asia Pacific operations for the joint venture of Dr Reddy's Laboratories, said, "Apart from hefty pay package, Indian scientists get attracted to the robust urban and manufacturing infrastructure the Chinese entities offer, apart from a safe work environment."

Confirming the trend, director general of India's Pharmaceuticals Export Promotion Council (Pharmexcil) PV Appaji told ET, "Several instances of certain leading Chinese pharmaceutical firms hiring top Indian pharmaceutical scientists have come to our notice. It could be aimed at augmenting filing of abbreviated new drug applications (ANDAs) in the US and other regulated markets as China is currently building huge capacities to produce copycat medicines. We guess this trend should over a period of time help Indian companies increase their presence in China and vice versa."

A top Indian scientist, who did not wish his or his Chinese company's name to be identified, said he could not refuse the hefty salary and facilities offered two years back by his current employer on the east coast of China near Shanghai. Chinese drug makers that are increasingly hiring Indian talent pool have their facilities in the provinces of Zhejiang, Guangdong, Jiangsu and Hebei.

Chinese government and companies are scouring across the globe for talent by organising job fairs to attract specialised workforce, given their swelling need for a well trained workforce to support plans to move up the value chain in the life sciences sector, said KPMG's life sciences head Utkarsh Palnitkar.

"As China moves up the value chain from manufacturing 'simple to manufacture' molecules to 'more complex to manufacture', there will be a growing need to focus on research and development activities, that will push the demand for specialized job roles further," he told ET, adding that China was luring the Indian talent pool with its competitive compensation and benefits packages, given the growing demand for talent pool. Nazia Vasi, founder of Inchincloser, an Indo-China language and cultural consultancy, said, "Nearly 15 out of 100 top professionals in a recent batch that learnt Mandarin (official language of People's Republic of China) were from the pharmaceutical sector."

Palnitkar of KPMG said Chinese firms have been investing substantially on research and development (R&D) over the past few years with the R&D spent on pharmaceutical industry crossed $3,250 million in 2011 from a mere $162 million a decade back. The emerging trend could prove a major threat to the prospects of Indian drug makers, reckons Sujesh Vasudevan, president and head of Glenmark's India business. "China appears to have realized that there is no much value in active pharmaceutical ingredients and it is time for moving up the value chain. The Chinese have proved a serious threat and India should wake up before it is too late."

China luring Indian pharma scientists with 3 times higher pay to boost formulations segment - The Economic Times

Not necessarily a bad thing for India..

Also a good tip for @Bussard Ramjet when he seeks future employment.:lol:


Are you celebrating or are you lamenting the event?

Singapore PAP race traitor government has started to attract "Indian foreign talent" way back for decades and the citizen realize that suddenly we become dalits in our own land.

The Hindus will come and kick out the locals, shipping in their entire village, never mind how incompetent their kinsmen are. They are going plunder the company until it go bankrupt.

The Chinese can only stay there and watch because Indians have certain sex appeal to the senior managers. The Chinese tends to go against management if they make stupid decision. The Indians are total cabal and they lick boot till the end. The managers normally are those MBAs who know nothing in the field will promote Indians over everyone.

A disproportional high profile Indian talent in white man land turns out to be criminals or bankrupt artist.

Rajat Gupta
Vic Prandit
Anshu Jain
 
How is this big news? Indians have been contributing to Chinese R&D long before.

Huawei first overseas R&D center was in India.
 
Are you celebrating or are you lamenting the event?

Singapore PAP race traitor government has started to attract "Indian foreign talent" way back for decades and the citizen realize that suddenly we become dalits in our own land.

The Hindus will come and kick out the locals, shipping in their entire village, never mind how incompetent their kinsmen are. They are going plunder the company until it go bankrupt.

The Chinese can only stay there and watch because Indians have certain sex appeal to the senior managers. The Chinese tends to go against management if they make stupid decision. The Indians are total cabal and they lick boot till the end. The managers normally are those MBAs who know nothing in the field will promote Indians over everyone.

A disproportional high profile Indian talent in white man land turns out to be criminals or bankrupt artist.

Rajat Gupta
Vic Prandit
Anshu Jain

That's why google and Microsoft has Indian CEO's... burn burn and burn some more...
 
Lol :lol:
Who gives a shit ?Tommorrow if a US firm offers more than this ,the will just dump these Chinese firm and go for it .It is is their personal choice.


Of Course .And Chinese are not even nearer to western firms and countries when it comes to attract Indian talent.Indian talents are renowned for their innovation not copy pasting.



If you dont have enough ability and talent ,dont spit your jealousy in here .
Cry me a river :cray:

My status and standing right now is far better than what Citi can offer me for that position. I apply for jobs even though I dont really want to move to recce.

Also my intention is to recce citi whether it is also bad according to rumors. I do not want to hate Indians for speculation.

I go and verify it is much worse.
 
My status and standing right now is far better than what Citi can offer me for that position. I apply for jobs even though I dont really want to move to recce.

Also my intention is to recce citi whether it is also bad according to rumors. I do not want to hate Indians for speculation.

I go and verify it is much worse.

Now you also began to hates the Citi group .:D

About Indians .Ya right ,Google,Microsoft,Twitter all of them will completely agrees with you :D
 
Now you also began to hates the Citi group .:D

About Indians .Ya right ,Google,Microsoft,Twitter all of them will completely agrees with you :D

Google and MS need to wait for a white before the rot sets in. Also their HR process is far more meritocratic though still skewed in favor of Indians.

Qualcomm got cancer earlier and got more Indians there.

Go figure out what happen now.

Qualcomm is being hammer by PRC companies.

Google and MS will be next but the process is longer because they are still more meritocratic.
 
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Google and MS need to wait for a white before the rot sets in. Also their HR process is far more meritocratic though still skewed in favor of Indians.

Qualcomm got cancer earlier and got more Indians there.

Go figure out what happen now.

Qualcomm is being hammer by PRC companies.

Google and MS will be next but the process is longer because they are still more meritocratic.


That is What they want .Full merit .MS and Google are giants and PRC companies cant even come nearer to that .They are the real innovators . Most of them have Indians .highly qualified ,IITians .You cant even dream about that.

Noone can escape from the pathetic stealing ,copypasting of PRC companies .Qualcomm is also not an exception .
Who developed the USB ?
If you know the answer of that you can understand the western companies excitement about Indian HR.
 
No need to start threads about that country by giving them any importance and ruining our section. If you're going to start garbage threads, post it in the garbage section (i.e Indian).
Why? Pharmaceutical maybe the only one sector India has an edge over China,and now they are about to lose it.:rofl:

Are you celebrating or are you lamenting the event?

Singapore PAP race traitor government has started to attract "Indian foreign talent" way back for decades and the citizen realize that suddenly we become dalits in our own land.

The Hindus will come and kick out the locals, shipping in their entire village, never mind how incompetent their kinsmen are. They are going plunder the company until it go bankrupt.

The Chinese can only stay there and watch because Indians have certain sex appeal to the senior managers. The Chinese tends to go against management if they make stupid decision. The Indians are total cabal and they lick boot till the end. The managers normally are those MBAs who know nothing in the field will promote Indians over everyone.

A disproportional high profile Indian talent in white man land turns out to be criminals or bankrupt artist.

Rajat Gupta
Vic Prandit
Anshu Jain
I didn't know that.
How is this big news? Indians have been contributing to Chinese R&D long before.

Huawei first overseas R&D center was in India.

You have little idea about global business. Overseas R&D centers are set up in exchange for market access,usual tactic by multinationals. Not much real R&D was done in there,but employment boost nonetheless.
 
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That is What they want .Full merit .MS and Google are giants and PRC companies cant even come nearer to that .They are the real innovators . Most of them have Indians .highly qualified ,IITians .You cant even dream about that.

Noone can escape from the pathetic stealing ,copypasting of PRC companies .Qualcomm is also not an exception .
Who developed the USB ?
If you know the answer of that you can understand the western companies excitement about Indian HR.

All nations including USA and Japan are stealing when they started their industrialization. The thing is Chinese is able to steal and reproduce back in China, while Indian cant pull it off in India.

I will admire you guys if you start a Google back home. You guys are now the biggest community in Google.
 
All nations including USA and Japan are stealing when they started their industrialization. The thing is Chinese is able to steal and reproduce back in China, while Indian cant pull it off in India.

I will admire you guys if you start a Google back home. You guys are now the biggest community in Google.

I dont think so.
AFAIK US or Japan didnt do any type of organised industrial espionage .
After the Operation Paperclip ,US generously attracted talents from around the world giving a lots of perks and benefits.
Japan is known for their advanced technological developments.But China is famous in stealing and developing .
That is actually not an ability .It is a shamelessness.
We can also do that because like you said we have expertise .But we respects others hardwork and rights .
We wont allow the stealing of our tradition of Ayurveda or the works of Aryabhatta.
 
I dont think so.
AFAIK US or Japan didnt do any type of organised industrial espionage .
After the Operation Paperclip ,US generously attracted talents from around the world giving a lots of perks and benefits.
Japan is known for their advanced technological developments.But China is famous in stealing and developing .
That is actually not an ability .It is a shamelessness.
We can also do that because like you said we have expertise .But we respects others hardwork and rights .
We wont allow the stealing of our tradition of Ayurveda or the works of Aryabhatta.

Indian brand is 0 known in China. None. Yes, US and Japan done well, do they need your boasts?
 
Indian brand is 0 known in China. None. Yes, US and Japan done well, do they need your boasts?
And Chinese brand is also known as 0+Cheap in India.
Of Course we are also one of the world largest markets and still massively growing market .They need our boasts ,definitly.
 

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