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Hohoho! India is independent of USA or anyone else. India still imports oil from Venezuela, buys arms from Russia and unlike China, does not beg for USA trade deal. India does not buy Iranian oil because MBS came and made a deal. Also, GCC countries provide free oil in the form of investment to India. Iran gives nothing to India and even kicked out India from its gas reserve development.

Just see May's oil import by China and then say how much Iran oil was bought. According to tracking data of tankers, Iranian oil supply to China has been 0. China may buy Iran oil in black market under some secret deals but not openly.
Yup and Modi needed to go to US to beg trump ? Lolol. How does showing the US the middle finger be equivalent to beg for trade talks, the US came to China to talk first. It wasn't the other way round Bhai. I mean this is just common sense, if my company is doing business in US, I won't buy the Iranian oil, if I am zhenrong petroleum with no US dealings, I would buy, it's that simple. In India, everyone is afraid to buy due to US pressure towards the yindu gov. You see us asking US permission to buy S400? We just buy it.. that's what sovereignty means. You are A POODLE trying to act like a wolf. Lol
 
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Yup and Modi needed to go to US to beg trump ? Lolol. How does showing the US the middle finger be equivalent to beg for trade talks, the US came to China to talk first. It wasn't the other way round Bhai. I mean this is just common sense, if my company is doing business in US, I won't buy the Iranian oil, if I am zhenrong petroleum with no US dealings, I would buy, it's that simple. In India, everyone is afraid to buy due to US pressure towards the yindu gov. You see us asking US permission to buy S400? We just buy it.. that's what sovereignty means. You are A POODLE trying to act like a wolf. Lol
So, going to USA is begging USA? When did Modi go to USA asking for assistance or favours? China is sending delegation to beg for trade deal! When did India ask permission for S400 or Venzuelan oil? It was USA who would send people asking India to not buy S400 and India refused to oblige.

About Iran oil, you can't just buy it. It is about relation with Saudi and GCC. What if GCC puts a condition saying that they will stop oil supply to China if China does not stop buying Iranian oil? USA is only a tool and nothing else in this sanction. The real deal is with Saudi and GCC. Let us talk after you get Iran oil. Don't talk big
 
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Yes, I know I have seen the pictures of B52 in Qatar bases, that's why I have mentioned that both bombers and attack jets are stationed in ME in anticipation of attacks.
Americans would try to intimidate Iranians to make mistakes, giving them chances and opportunities to attack Iran.

Anyway, India not standing with Iran, considering you have such close relationship with Iran!!!
Where is your loyalty to your friend Iran!!
Iran is going to learn a harsh lesson.
I would regret any loss of lives, but sad reality is it may happen.

There is no loyality in geopolitics only interests.
Iran follow the same when they kicked out from Farz B fas field.
 
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So, going to USA is begging USA? When did Modi go to USA asking for assistance or favours? China is sending delegation to beg for trade deal! When did India ask permission for S400 or Venzuelan oil? It was USA who would send people asking India to not buy S400 and India refused to oblige.

About Iran oil, you can't just buy it. It is about relation with Saudi and GCC. What if GCC puts a condition saying that they will stop oil supply to China if China does not stop buying Iranian oil? USA is only a tool and nothing else in this sanction. The real deal is with Saudi and GCC. Let us talk after you get Iran oil. Don't talk big
Well who was the one who came to China first for negotiations? It was US not China, this delegation was a reciprocal trip. You want me to post the link your Modi went to US to beg Trump? You ever seen a sovereignty leader going to another country to ask permission? Only Indians do that, yet they shout to the world they are sovereign. Reliance already stop buying Venezuelan oil...wake up Bhai, you are not China, we can buy whatever oil we want. We are the only real rival to US, not slumdog India ok. Why do you think US is worried about us and not India? They know India is weak and a poodle, they might bark once a while to appear strong and independent, ultimately they will return back to daddies arms. You know how some poodles throw tantrums right?

You seriously think the GCC is holding our balls, we buy alot if oil from Russia and Africa. They are begging us to buy their oil. After US screwed up the oil price with shale oil, the Saudis are desperate to sell oil. They came to China to beg us to buy their oil, it's not the other way round genius. Stop having this poodle mentality. The Saudis are having a bad time with US due to shale, as long as we still buy their oil, you think they care if we buy Iranian oil? We are the largest oil consumer on Earth, real consumer not like Indian buying and reexporting oil.

The Saudis are caught between a rock and hard place. One hand the US is an important ally, another hand the US shale is destroying Saudi economy dependant on subsidies from oil revenues.
 
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China halts to Iran oil orders

Beijing has criticized the unilateral US sanctions on Iran, but Chinese refiners are erring on the side of caution in the face of the bans. (Reuters)

  • The US has not renewed any exemptions from sanctions on Iran, taking a tougher line than expected on the expiry of the waivers
  • Sinopec and CNPC have skipped bookings for cargoes loading in May as the companies were worried that taking oil from Iran could invoke US sanctions
Updated 10 May 2019
REUTERS

SINGAPORE: China Petrochemical Corp. (Sinopec Group) and China National Petroleum Corp. (CNPC), the country’s top state-owned refiners, are skipping Iranian oil purchases for loading in May after Washington ended sanction waivers to turn up pressure on Tehran, three people with knowledge of the matter said.
The US has not renewed any exemptions from sanctions on Iran, taking a tougher line than expected on the expiry of the waivers. The waivers were granted last November to buyers of Iranian oil.
China is Iran’s largest oil customer with imports of 475,000 barrels per day (bpd) in the first quarter of this year, according to Chinese customs data.

Two of the sources said Sinopec and CNPC, who together account for over 90% of China's oil imports from Iran have skipped bookings for cargoes loading in May as the companies were worried that taking oil from Iran could invoke US sanctions and cut them out of the global financial system.
A third source said Sinopec, which buys the majority of China’s Iranian oil imports, does not wish to breach a long-term supply contract, but has opted to suspend booking new cargoes for now due to the sanction worries.
All those with knowledge of the matter requested anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the topic.
Of the five supertankers that loaded Iranian crude in April for China, two have discharged, while another two are waiting off Ningbo and Zhoushan in eastern China to discharge, according to Refinitiv data and Refinitiv analyst Emma Li. A fifth tanker is heading to Shuidong in southern Guangdong province.
The sources said they did not know how long the suspensions will last.
Both Sinopec and CNPC declined to comment. The National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC) did not immediately respond to an email from Reuters seeking comment.
The two firms took a similar move last October by skipping shipments for November, before Washington reimposed sanctions on Iran’s oil exports to push the Islamic Republic to renegotiate a deal to stop its nuclear and ballistic missile programs and curb its regional influence.
They later resumed bookings after the US granted waivers to China and other seven global clients of Iranian oil, and purchased additional cargoes to make up the delayed shipments, according to the third source and trade flow data.
“There are no nominations so far, but companies are trying to find some solution, such as offering to top up volumes in later months,” said the source.
Sinopec agreed in 2012 to lift an average of about 265,000 bpd oil from Iran in a long-term deal that expires end of 2019.
While Beijing has criticized the unilateral US sanctions on Iran and the end to the exemptions, companies are erring on the side of caution unless they receive a specific government mandate to keep ordering oil from Tehran, the first two sources said.
CNPC, whose Iranian oil comes mostly from its investments at two Iranian oil fields, is also skipping imports for this month, said one of those sources.
“For now it’s just not worth the risks as the volume is very small in (the company’s) overall purchases,” said the source.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1495366/business-economy
Why are people surprise about this. I think China is being realistic like many other powers. Is there even a competition between China-U.S trade(the largest in the world) and China-Iran trade? There is no contest to be honest. So why will Chinese companies jeopardize their huge commercial interests by going against U.S sanctions and thus facing being sanctioned themselves just for a small trade with Iran? It's not worth it to be honest.
People tend to forget how powerful and all encompassing the U.S industrial/commercial/technological might is. A company being sanctioned by the U.S means it;s basically cut off from any involvement in other world trade between other powerful countries, since almost every major power/big country wont want anything to do with such a company for fear of facing retaliation from the US themselves and thus jeopardizing their business. So except that company is okay with limiting itself just to its home market and maybe other small African/underdeveloped countries(who have nothing much to lose anyway) then yes such a company can ignore U.S sanctions completely and carry on trading/getting involve with such a business irregardless of U.S sanctions.
So i believe Chinese companies ( just like India or many other countries who will follow suite ) did the right thing. Iranian market isn't that big/open to warrant such a risk.

Moral of the story: THE U.S IS STILL THE WORLD'S SOLE SUPERPOWER INDEED. It will take decades to reduce their stranglehold on world.
 
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Can you predict America will or not start military attack on Iran?

This time, it is little bit crazy from US side..Mr President from US will go to election this year...And his core vote bank are prone to dominating Iran...On top of that lobby from Arabs and Israel is almost pushing US to a war like scenario..

No Indian leader will Trust any muslim country. Gwadar is only economic and nothing else. There is no relationship beyond economics

Just get your facts correct...In an international forum, you should back up your statements with some data rather than giving blanket statement that India do not trust any Muslim countries..
 
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Why are people surprise about this. I think China is being realistic like many other powers. Is there even a competition between China-U.S trade(the largest in the world) and China-Iran trade? There is no contest to be honest. So why will Chinese companies jeopardize their commercial interests by going against U.S sanctions and thus facing being sanctioned themselves just for a small trade with Iran? It's not worth it to be honest.
People tend to forget how powerful and all encompassing the U.S industrial/commercial/technological might is. A company being sanctioned by the U.S means it;s basically cut off from any involvement in other world trade between other powerful countries, since almost every major power/big country wont want anything to do with such a company for fear of facing retaliation from the US themselves and thus jeopardizing their business. So except that company is Okay with limiting itself just to its home market and maybe other small African/underdeveloped countries(who have nothing much to lose anyway) then yes such a company can ignore U.S sanctions completely and carry on trading/getting involve with such a business irregardless of U.S sanctions.
So i believe Chinese companies ( just like India or many other countries who will follow suite ) did the right thing. Iranian market isn't that big/open to warrant such a risk.
Yes but this would affect their claim of being a major independent superpower.
 
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Yes but this would affect their claim of being a major independent superpower.
I don't think the Chinese claim to be a superpower. I haven't seen any Chinese say such a thing. You shouldn't take what some people on here say too serious, Chinese leaders are very pragmatic and realistic(unlike the ideology/religious ruled Iran), so they tend to think things through rationally. It's one of the main reason China will be quite a challenge for the U.S i believe. Had their leaders still been affected more by their ideology(like during the MAO era) then i believe they would have been far easier to handle for the U.S.
 
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Why are people surprise about this. I think China is being realistic like many other powers. Is there even a competition between China-U.S trade(the largest in the world) and China-Iran trade? There is no contest to be honest. So why will Chinese companies jeopardize their huge commercial interests by going against U.S sanctions and thus facing being sanctioned themselves just for a small trade with Iran? It's not worth it to be honest.
People tend to forget how powerful and all encompassing the U.S industrial/commercial/technological might is. A company being sanctioned by the U.S means it;s basically cut off from any involvement in other world trade between other powerful countries, since almost every major power/big country wont want anything to do with such a company for fear of facing retaliation from the US themselves and thus jeopardizing their business. So except that company is okay with limiting itself just to its home market and maybe other small African/underdeveloped countries(who have nothing much to lose anyway) then yes such a company can ignore U.S sanctions completely and carry on trading/getting involve with such a business irregardless of U.S sanctions.
So i believe Chinese companies ( just like India or many other countries who will follow suite ) did the right thing. Iranian market isn't that big/open to warrant such a risk.

Moral of the story: THE U.S IS STILL THE WORLD'S SOLE SUPERPOWER INDEED. It will take decades to reduce their stranglehold on world.

The reason is very simple, we are the bad guys no matter what we do or don't do. Come on, it's no secret that the U.S. will attack us until we cease to exist. We are already under their "sanctions" on a gazillon things. What's to lose to add one more? We just get what we need. Why the hell not???

Yes but this would affect their claim of being a major independent superpower.

That is your claim. Go check out the Indian super power count down thread.
 
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China will continue importing oil and gas from Iran, but not doing so with a megaphone. Once the insulated financial and logistics means are set up, the import will resume through some companies and banks that are not known or not exposed to the pressure of US financial sanctions.
 
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China will continue importing oil and gas from Iran, but not doing so with a megaphone. Once the insulated financial and logistics means are set up, the import will resume through some companies and banks that are not known or not exposed to the pressure of US financial sanctions.
It's just common sense, CNPC and Sinopec will not import but Zhenrong will. We had been doing this for decades, but Indians panics when their daddy is angry.lol
 
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Just get your facts correct...In an international forum, you should back up your statements with some data rather than giving blanket statement that India do not trust any Muslim countries..
What data do you want? The current world order is based upon "needs" not "trust" arising out of skewed natural resource distribution. So, it is quite logical to say so. It is also a well known fact that Islam does not permit regional difference but seeks social governance. So, it will be quite odd and foolish to declare muslim countries as separate in interest unless there is some theological difference between the interpretation of Islam.
 
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wow, the first time I saw a hindu claims Chinese overwhelmingly embrace that China is a superpower.

These RSSer should first look at themselves, their dead hindu president talked about SUPA POWA IN 2012.

I now officially proclaim a country that ranks worse than North Korea in terms of hunger, is now a SUPA POWA!

I guess Sub-Sahara Africa which is doing way better than Modi Land on inclusive growth, health and living standards, is also a SUPA POWA 2012!
 
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