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China Doesn't Belong in the BRICS

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China's new president, Xi Jinping, arrives in Durban, South Africa today for a summit of the BRICS: Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa. A geo-economic acronym invented in 2001 by a Goldman Sachs analyst to forecast a convergence among fast-growing emerging economies has spawned a geopolitical association. The leaders who gather, and commentators on this event, will search for what these nations have in common. The larger question, however, is whether this acronym has become an anachronism. Assessing the performance of the BRICS over the past five years and prospects for the next, does lumping these nations under a single label confuse more than it clarifies?

When Jim O'Neill of Goldman Sachs coined the term 12 years ago, many expected that economic growth rates in India and Brazil would soon rival China's. That remains O'Neill's bet, his most recent blast foreseeing that "India definitely has the biggest potential for growth among BRIC countries this decade." But the brute fact is that China has continued growing more than twice as fast as other members of this club. Indeed, in every year since 2001, the gap between China's GDP and that of each of the others has widened. In the decade ahead, the gap is likely to become even more pronounced. Given this divergence, it is more appropriate to consider China separately from Russia, India, Brazil and South Africa, which, if an acronym is called for, can be called: "RIBS."

In 2001, China's GDP was equal to the GDP of all the RIBS combined. In the five years since the global financial crisis, just the increment of growth in China's economy is larger than the entire economies of Russia and India combined. Indeed, in the half decade since the financial crisis, 40 percent of all growth in the global economy has occurred in China.

Last year, the economy of China expanded by $1 trillion; Russia and India grew by $100 billion; Brazil and South Africa shrank. In 2001, China ranked sixth among the world's economies. Today it stands at number two, on track to overtake the U.S. and become the world's largest economy in the next decade.

In trade, China accounts for 11 percent of global merchandise exports, roughly double that of the RIBS combined. Moreover, the markets to whom China and the RIBS export and from whom they buy are the U.S., the EU, and Japan. Merchandise trade among China and the RIBS barely registers in world trade statistics.

In foreign reserves, China held twice as much as the RIBS combined in 2001 (with $220 billion), and now holds three times as much as the others (with $3.3 trillion). In greenhouse gas emissions, China accounts for 30 percent of the global total, more than twice the amount of the RIBS combined.

Goldman Sachs continues trumpeting the rise of the BRICS (though it refuses to include South Africa, which was pulled into group by China in 2010). Its latest "BRIC Fund" prospectus forecasts that by 2030, the BRIC nations will have a combined economy larger than that of the G7. If this happens, the most important part of the story will be that China added $17 trillion to the global economy, effectively creating another United States in less than 20 years.

Concepts that jumble together elements with more differences than similarities sow confusion. While it may have played a useful purpose at the beginning of the century to highlight faster-growing emerging economies, BRICS has become an analytic liability. Like generalizations about per-capita growth in countries where wealth disparities are widening (as the rich get richer while the income of the poor declines), submerging China in this acronym misses more than it captures. If a banner is required for a meeting of these five nations, or for a forecast about their economic and political weight in the world ahead, RIBS is much closer to the reality. Even if governments, investment banks, and newspapers keep using BRICS, thoughtful readers will think China and the rest.

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I couldn't agree more. China doesn't belong to this group. China and US should form G2 and BRICS should become to RIBS. Moreover there is a danger of China hijacking the BRICS platform for its own gains. A very dominant player is not good for any group.
 
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TBH China is in totally different league. China would soon surpass even US economy.

Let's wait till it happens first, before making such statements. :tup:

As of IMF data from 2012:

China - $8.25 trillion growing at 7.8%

Brazil - $2.42 trillion growing at 0.6%

Russia - $1.95 trillion growing at 3%

India - $1.94 trillion growing at 4.5%

So we still belong in BRICS.
 
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This is a ploy by China to get friends in Africa to counter West. With out Africa and other emerging markets Chinese GDP will not increase at higher rates.

India should also perceive its own partnership with France in Africa. China may be ahead for now but India will catch up for sure :cheers:
 
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This is a ploy by China to get friends in Africa to counter West. With out Africa and other emerging markets Chinese GDP will not increase at higher rates.

India should also perceive its own partnership with France in Africa. China may be ahead for now but India will catch up for sure :cheers:

India will catch up with China eventually because of the similar population sizes. But the question is when. Unfortunately, the way our political class are dilly dallying with economic reforms, I think it will be beyond 2040.
 
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India will catch up with China eventually because of the similar population sizes. But the question is when. Unfortunately, the way our political class are dilly dallying with economic reforms, I think it will be beyond 2040.

No need to be pessimistic, India has its own advantageous, Cheap Labour availability and huge Middle class(domestic market). If we can implement our manufacturing policy well I think we can become top 3 manufacturing nation within a decade.

Chinese cannot keep up their growth rates. At the same time Chinese cannot manufacture the goods cheaply since their wage structures are more now plus their average age is increasing. China also cannot export more goods to Europe and USA since they are in economic crisis.
 
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Chinese cannot keep up their growth rates. At the same time Chinese cannot manufacture the goods cheaply since their wage structures are more now plus their average age is increasing. China also cannot export more goods to Europe and USA since they are in economic crisis.

Erm, there is a few problems with this statement:

1) Chinese wages have been higher than India and southeast Asia for quite a few years now. Yet, Chinese percentage of global manufacturing is increasing, not decreasing.
2) Chinese percentage of global trade is also increasing, especially after the economic crisis.

There is a common misconception that labor force equals population age. True, population age is an important factor in determining the labor force, but there are other facts. Another very important is the average number of years in education. In the recent years, Chinese education has expanded to the point that half of world's engineering graduates each year comes from China.
There are other factors as well, for example, social habits. In China, women are expected to work just as hard as men and generally occupies the same amount of work posts (that are not affected significantly by physical strength). For China, 44% of the labor force are women. For India, only 28.35% of the labor force are women. This means significant amount of India women are simply home bodies instead of labor force.
 
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Erm, there is a few problems with this statement:

1) Chinese wages have been higher than India and southeast Asia for quite a few years now. Yet, Chinese percentage of global manufacturing is increasing, not decreasing.
2) Chinese percentage of global trade is also increasing, especially after the economic crisis.

There is a common misconception that labor force equals population age. True, population age is an important factor in determining the labor force, but there are other facts. Another very important is the average number of years in education. In the recent years, Chinese education has expanded to the point that half of world's engineering graduates each year comes from China.
There are other factors as well, for example, social habits. In China, women are expected to work just as hard as men and generally occupies the same amount of work posts (that are not affected significantly by physical strength). For China, 44% of the labor force are women. For India, only 28.35% of the labor force are women. This means significant amount of India women are simply home bodies instead of labor force.

Point one : The profits won't be the same

Point two: I am talking about manufacturing sector in which India had a chance and India can also do what China has done.
 
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India will catch up with China eventually because of the similar population sizes. But the question is when. Unfortunately, the way our political class are dilly dallying with economic reforms, I think it will be beyond 2040.

India will catch up with China eventually how? care to give some credible numbers
 
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nomatter howmuch china grows it still cannot stand against the complete western dominated u.n economic organizations and it needs a forum just as other major developing economies do..BRICS has the potential to grow to a strategic partnership from an economic forum..keeping aside future guesses..china seeks to be in the part of BRICS present and the recent summit is a proof for this statement.
 
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