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China cut up as India allows Taiwanese Consulate in Chennai.

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Mission Lhasa for Chennai, as India-China row hots up
ndia and China are sparring over the opening of consulates in Lhasa in exchange for Chennai, in what amounts to a second round of diplomatic confrontation between Asia's largest powers, in the wake of their recent disagreement over an oil block in the South China Sea that is controlled by India, owned by Vietnam and counter-claimed by China.

The spat over the consulates is still playing out within the confines of the Chinese foreign office and the ministry of external affairs in Delhi, which seems surprisingly determined to play tough, but cool, with Beijing.

According to diplomatic sources, China is particularly cut up about the fact that Delhi has agreed to let the Republic of Taiwan, which it considers to be an integral but breakaway part of the People's Republic, to open a consulate in Chennai. In fact, Delhi has in principle also given South Korea the go-ahead to open a consulate in Chennai.

In exchange for Chennai, India is asking Beijing to allow it to reopen its consulate in Lhasa, the capital of Tibet. The Chinese have refused so far, keenly aware that even considering it would constitute a hugely powerful, albeit symbolic, victory for India.

This is because the Indian consulate in Lhasa was forced to shut down in 1959 when the Dalai Lama fled the Tibetan capital for India, where he has lived ever since as the world's most high-profile refugee. India's last consul-general in Lhasa, P N Menon, father of National Security Adviser Shivshanker Menon, knew the Dalai Lama well.

With the Dalai Lama's flight to India, the relationship between the two countries deteriorated rapidly, leading to the terrible border conflict in 1962. It would take more than a decade for both to establish diplomatic contact again, which they only did in the mid-70s.

With Beijing refusing to open the conversation about Lhasa, Delhi seems determined not to give in to Chennai. "This is what is causing the severe heartburn," the diplomatic sources said.

The story about the consulates is as old as about seven years ago when both countries sought to expand their presence in each other's countries by opening second consulates beyond their respective capitals. The opening of consulates has always been considered a significant measure of that country's importance and recognition of deepening ties.

Around 2005-6, Delhi asked for Lhasa and Beijing asked for Kolkata, but Beijing put its foot down on Lhasa. Instead, it suggested that Delhi take Guangzhou, a town on the eastern seaboard that is also a thriving business centre. India had no option but to accept, and was persuaded to offer Kolkata to the Chinese.

But Lhasa remained on India's horizon, a much-desired object, but just beyond its reach. In the intervening years, the Sino-Indian relationship stabilised, with trade now touching $60 billion, although the deficit in India's direction amounts to about $40 billion. This ballooning deficit is another cause for distaste, especially as India is beginning to feel that China doesn't play by the rules of fair trade and keeps out Indian competition in the pharmaceutical and IT sectors.

Only a few weeks ago, India renewed its expression of interest in a consulate in Lhasa, when India's Ambassador to China, S Jaishanker, extensively toured the Tibet Autonomous Region on the Chinese government's invitation.

Jaishanker was taken across the province, from Lhasa to Xigaze to the Kailash Mansarovar site, to first-hand monitor conditions under which Indian pilgrims travel, both on government-sponsored tours as well as privately organised trips. The Chinese reiterated to the Indian ambassador that they would upgrade resting places which Hindu pilgrims believe are old temples and upgrade roads and infrastructure. They indicated they would relax visas and welcome even more Indian pilgrims, at 14,000 last year.

Officials admitted that Jaishanker's visit constitutes the "most in-depth exposure" to Tibet since the visit in 2002 by India's then ambassador to China, Shivshanker Menon. They argued that the deepening of the people-to-people relationship was directly proportional to the access to care and consultation Indian citizens received from Indian authorities while in China.

Interestingly, Menon's visit in 2002 came just before then prime minister Atal Behari Vajpayee's visit to China in 2003, when he agreed to the institution of the Special Representatives (SR) between the two countries to fast-track a solution to the border problem, as well as settle the Line of Actual Control.

The first SR on the Indian side was Brajesh Mishra, Vajpayee's national security advisor, followed by Menon, when the government changed in 2004. On the Chinese side, it has remained Dai Bingguo, the influential head of the Chinese Communist Party's international department.

But Comrade Dai is set to retire, by March 2013, and his job is expected to be filled by Wang Yi, a fluent English speaker and rising star in the Chinese pantheon. India knows Wang Yi well. He was the point person for India during the nuclear tests in 1998 and beautifully articulated the bitter, yawning chasm in the relationship. If he succeeds Dai Bingguo, he will now be responsible for bridging that chasm.
 
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It is time for India to switch diplomatic recognition from the PRC to the ROC. :azn:

You can only have formal diplomatic relations with one or the other.

This way, you can then set up actual Taiwanese embassies, not just consulates.

Its for you ppl ie ROC and PRC to sort things amongst yourself .... Once you either merge the two countries either by force(higly unlikely scenario) or friendhip(highly unlike once again) ,India too will change its stance , until then it makes utmost sense that India recognizes both countries as separate entities !
 
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Until then it makes utmost sense that India recognizes both countries as separate entities !

No, India currently recognizes the PRC as the representative of China, as does the United Nations.

No major country in the world formally recognizes the ROC as the representative of China, except for a few small African countries.

See the list:

Foreign Relations of Taiwan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Time for India to switch recognition, and put their money where their mouth is. Time to start setting up actual embassies, and drop relations with the PRC.
 
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No, India currently recognizes the PRC as the representative of China, as does the United Nations.

No major country in the world formally recognizes the ROC as the representative of China, except for a few small African countries.

See the list:

Foreign Relations of Taiwan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Time for India to switch recognition, and put their money where their mouth is. Time to start setting up actual embassies, and drop relations with the PRC.
your tantrums are quite amusing, deepening of relations with taiwan will be extremely beneficial for India. we really don't give a rat's rear on who gets to be the representative of china. kindly take your emotional outbursts somewhere else.
 
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No, India currently recognizes the PRC as the representative of China, as does the United Nations.

No major country in the world formally recognizes the ROC as the representative of China, except for a few small African countries.

See the list:

Foreign Relations of Taiwan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Time for India to switch recognition, and put their money where their mouth is. Time to start setting up actual embassies, and drop relations with the PRC.

I agree with you somewhat however , i never used the words " representatives of China " to define Taiwan ..... Its for the world to see that you two are separate entities neither you rule or control them nor do they rule or control you ....

Until there is a unification of some sort either by peace or force, India is well within its rights to offer Consulates to Taiwan in India .
 
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your tantrums are quite amusing, deepening of relations with taiwan will be extremely beneficial for India. we really don't give a rat's rear on who gets to be the representative of china. kindly take your emotional outbursts somewhere else.

I thought India was the "biggest democracy in the world"? Why not stand with your democratic brothers in the ROC instead of with the PRC? :lol:

I agree with you somewhat however , i never used the words " representatives of China " to define Taiwan ..... Its for the world to see that you two are separate entities neither you rule or control them nor do they rule or control you ....

It is not just who gets to be the "representative of China".

Formally recognizing one over the other means that you can set up formal diplomatic relations with them.

But you can only have formal diplomatic relations with the PRC or the ROC, not both. No major country in the world has formal diplomatic relations with the ROC, except for a few island nations and small African states. India might be the first?
 
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in any case it is all symbolic, taiwan already has pseudo-embassies in pretty much every country.
it is treated as a independent entity even by PRC

I thought India was the "biggest democracy in the world"? Why not stand with your democratic brothers in the ROC instead of with the PRC? :lol:
comprehension issues much? taiwan is considered and treated as an independent country already.
 
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comprehension issues much? taiwan is considered and treated as an independent country already.

No major country recognizes it as such. :no: Taiwan can't even join the United Nations as a member.

Hell, Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou himself said that China and Taiwan are "One country, two regions".

Legislator intrigued by "one country, two areas" - Taipei Times

The question again, why doesn't India stand with it's fellow "democratic" entity, the ROC? Why does India have formal diplomatic relations with the PRC but only pseudo-relations with the ROC?
 
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Call the Taiwan "consulate" in India. They will pick the phone saying "Taiwan embassy".
 
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No major country recognizes it as such. :no: Taiwan can't even join the United Nations as a member.

Hell, Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou himself said that China and Taiwan are "One country, two regions".

Legislator intrigued by "one country, two areas" - Taipei Times

The question again, why doesn't India stand with it's fellow "democratic" entity, the ROC? Why does India have formal diplomatic relations with the PRC but only pseudo-relations with the ROC?

India, like other countries doesn't need to choose one. despite feeble attempts by PRC to isolate Taiwan, it has managed to maintain relations and develop much earlier and faster than China :lol:
 
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India, like other countries doesn't need to choose one. despite feeble attempts by PRC to isolate Taiwan, it has managed to maintain relations and develop much earlier and faster than China :lol:

Wrong again. :lol:

India chose to set up formal diplomatic relations with the PRC. India abandoned the democratic ROC.
 
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