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A key meeting of Chinese Communist Party leaders focusing on the rule of law and fighting corruption has begun in Beijing.

The plenum is the annual gathering of the 205 members of the party's Central Committee.

The Chinese Communist Party has nearly 90 million members but power resides with the Central Committee.

Plenums often entail landmark political reforms and are seen as the most important meetings in Chinese politics.

The BBC's China editor Carrie Gracie says that even so, the role of the attendees is merely to nod through the policies set out by Communist Party leader and national President Xi Jinping.

State news agency Xinhua said leaders would deliberate on a draft decision on "major issues concerning comprehensively advancing rule of law".

Last month, after a meeting of the committee's political bureau, the party released a statement emphasising the importance of the rule of law, saying it was needed to "build a prosperous society in all-rounded way" as well as to "comprehensively deepen reform".

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China's congress is elected every five years, and the plenum takes place once or twice a year
Mr Xi has made tackling corruption a hallmark of his presidency since assuming the position in 2013.

However, critics say he does not intend to make the Communist Party itself subject to the law - by, for example, setting up an independent judiciary.

The context for this week's meeting is a crackdown on China's political reformers and the imprisonment of some of the country's most prominent leaders, says our correspondent.

The 2013 plenum unveiled a series of reforms aimed at overhauling China's economy over the next decade.

After the meeting, China's leaders promised the free market would play a bigger role, although state ownership would remain a pillar of the economy.



BBC News - China Communist Party plenum begins in Beijing
 
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Plenum to push rule of law

Top meeting to yield guidelines for legal reform
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The fourth plenary session of the 18th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (CPC), the first such meeting dedicated to the theme of "rule of law," started Monday in Beijing.

The four-day meeting, which includes some 200 members of the CPC Central Committee, is widely expected to be a landmark event that sets the tone for the CPC to promote the rule of law in China in a comprehensive way, observers said.

No details about the meeting were released on the first day of the closed-door discussion. But it is expected to be concluded with a draft decision deliberating "major issues concerning comprehensively advancing rule of law," the Xinhua News Agency reported on Monday.

Seldom has any other political concept been assigned the same gravity as has the rule of law, Xinhua commented, noting it is "the cornerstone of the modernization of China's state governance and national rejuvenation."

Law professionals, government officials and most Chinese people expect this top political meeting to yield guidelines and reform measures to advance the rule of law, build a more independent and transparent judicial system, a clean government and ensure well-rounded protection of human rights, Chen Weidong, a law professor with the Renmin University of China, told the Global Times.

Since the 18th CPC National Congress in late 2012, when the new leadership took office, a series of judicial reforms have been implemented.

The re-education through labor system that was used to lock up minor offenders was abolished last December. The system was strongly criticized for lacking a legal basis and being misused by local officials to deal with disputes.

"Abolishing the system is a big step to ensuring human rights, respecting the law and limiting officials' power," Chen said.

The independence of the judiciary was enhanced by a pilot program in which local courts were administered by higher-level judicial bodies rather than local governments, as stated in the decision of the third plenary session of the 18th CPC Central Committee last year.

Tian Wenchang, director of the Criminal Law Committee of the All-China Lawyers Association, told the Global Times that lawyers have pinned their hopes on the pilot program being expanded nationwide after the fourth plenum.

If local courts could financially be separated from local governments, the courts will be more just and independent and won't face interference by local officials, Tian said.

"What people expect and the essence of the rule of law is to reject the rule of man," said Sun Xiaoxia, dean of the law school at Fudan University.

"An obsolete 'above-the-law' privilege mentality remains among some Party and government officials … with unchecked power turning into a hotbed for corruption," Xinhua said.

In the nationwide anti-graft campaign, more than 50 provincial-level officials have been removed from their posts and over 700 officials have been investigated since the 18th CPC National Congress, the China News Service reported.

Sun said that President Xi Jinping's remarks that "Power should be restricted by the cage of regulations" are parallel to the rule of law.

"The fourth plenary session of the CPC Central Committee can be viewed as the second phase of the anti-corruption campaign," Julian Evans-Pritchard and Mark Williams, economists at Capital Economics, a London-based macro-economic research company, said in a research note e-mailed to the Global Times.

The research note said the leadership plans to institutionalize stronger oversight over officials and reduce the number of opportunities for corruption. "The primary goal is to try and ensure that Party and government officials toe the line and do not abuse their power," it said.

Not only the judicial system, but government interference in the market economy has been and will continue to be reduced, said analysts.

Since March 2013, the central government has scrapped or decentralized 632 administrative approvals and another 200 administrative approval processes will be scrapped within this year, Xinhua said.
 
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@TaiShang Do you think the largely dormant Shanghai Free Trade Zone will be addressed, or has the leadership largely abandoned that experiment? It's a shame, it never seemed to be given a chance.
 
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Any news on the Independence of the Judiciary?

There will be emphasis on the Rule of Law, not "Independence of the Judiciary." Terminology does matter and China surely wants to control how the nation makes sense of certain ideas according to the realities on the ground and the level economic development.

@TaiShang Do you think the largely dormant Shanghai Free Trade Zone will be addressed, or has the leadership largely abandoned that experiment? It's a shame, it never seemed to be given a chance.

To have an idea on this, we need to wait and see the report to be presented to the committee.

I do not remember a particular reference to this FTZ although there was lots of references to financial reform and as such.

I guess foreign firms are disappointed at the slow pace of new opportunities, but, understandably, it is an experimental project, so, there will be incremental development probably.
 
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To have an idea on this, we need to wait and see the report to be presented to the committee.

I do not remember a particular reference to this FTZ although there was lots of references to financial reform and as such.

I guess foreign firms are disappointed at the slow pace of new opportunities, but, understandably, it is an experimental project, so, there will be incremental development probably.

Well, I thought the point of the experiment was that it could move more quickly than the usual process, i.e. they would risk mistakes, but would follow up with quick adjustments in order to discover the best model to roll out going forward. That risk never seems to have been taken. If the FTZ moves at the same incremental pace of reforms as the rest of China, what's the point? It would have been better to see what works and what doesn't work in a limited area like the FTZ, and then replicate the successful strategies elsewhere in China, as China did with the special economic zones in the 1980s.

Anyway, as you say, we'll have to wait and see.
 
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No Confucianism

No Reunification!

as simple as that. :agree:
 
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No Confucianism
No Reunification!
as simple as that. :agree:

( I'm sorry, I do not understand English. )


  作者:吴王流丝

  中国古代科技没有发展起来,有很多原因,主要原因就是儒家文化基本全是垃圾文化。

  儒家文化里,君臣之道,孝道,仁义,忠勇,妇道,这些东西对科技进步和法制的养成没有任何意义,所以中国古代几乎没有任何有价值的理论。

  特别是,需要逻辑推理,才能得到的原理,中国古代几乎没有,

  中国古代的成就,都是对自然现象的简单利用,或者是一些小技术,生产中经验的总结。

  四大发明全部是对自然现象的简单利用,没有原理,没有逻辑推理建立起来的系统的科学原理,

  而且中国古代人没有对自然奥秘探索的精神。罪魁祸首就是儒家思想。

  可是墨家,中国官方却从来不关注。有人说中国古代没有逻辑,其实有,墨家思想里,有中国最古老的逻辑理论,是中国逻辑的起源,逻辑是自然科学形成的基础,也是法制理论的基础。可是墨家之后,逻辑在中国就绝迹了。

  还有,墨家思想里极力推崇探索自然奥秘,他对自然的物理,天文,生物,地理的探索,是在任何其他儒家,道家,法家等思想里看不到的。

  所以墨家思想可以和西方的亚里士多德思想媲美。

  墨家的平民思想,加上他的逻辑,自然探索,可以说墨家思想和西方的民主,科学,理性,法制有着极高的吻合度。在先秦诸子里,墨家才是成就最高的理论。

  如果,秦始皇后,我们的社会以墨家思想治国,他的逻辑,就能衍生出自然科学和法制体系。可是很悲剧的是,中国古代全部推崇的是那个几把没有任何作用的儒家,使中国两千年来没有任何科技成就。








  作者:zy8353

  中国诸子百家,最好的是墨家,最差的是法家

  墨家讲究科学平等兼爱,如果按照墨家的思想走下去,中国早就领先世界800年了;其次是老庄,无为而治,自由市场经济,没有压迫剥削,经济会繁荣,但是恐怕会受到外敌入侵或者要像欧洲那样分裂成小国;然后是儒家,讲究仁义和等级秩序,但儒家理想太高不切合实际,在实际运行中往往演变成外儒内法;最差是法家,各种阴谋权术下三滥的手段全用上,导致人民被残酷奴役盘剥,历史上治乱更替。







  作者:浊酒空明

  尊墨贬儒,儒家已经不符合时代的发展,应该被淘汰了。

  墨子出身寒微,最早游学天下,曾师从儒门,因不认同儒家的一些观点,遂自立门户,以儒家部分思想结合自己的理念,成立墨家。

  其核心思想可有十点:

  兼爱
  完全的博爱(与儒家的亲亲相对反,将父慈、子孝、兄友、弟悌......等等的亲人对待方式,扩展到其他陌生人身上)。

  非攻
  反对侵略战争(战争对于败者的伤害及,伤人命、损其才,是没有意义的破坏行动。而对于胜方而言,仅仅是获得了数座城池与税收,但总的来说伤害与损失也是巨大的,所以战争是没有意义的行为)。

  尚贤
  不分贵贱唯才是举。

  尚同
  上下一心为人民服务,为社会兴利除弊(有一说法为“上同”,认为天子是百官之首,而百姓听令百官,与上而同,此乃“上同”之意)。

  天志
  掌握自然规律。

  明鬼
  尊重前人智慧和经验(有一说法认为墨家说鬼所为并非迷信,而是希望以神鬼之说使人民警惕,不行邪恶)。

  非命
  通过努力奋斗掌握自己的命运。

  非乐
  摆脱划分等级的礼乐束缚,废除繁琐奢靡的编钟制造和演奏(古代音乐费时耗事,花费甚大,于国家并无生产的行为,乃无用之事)。

  节用
  节约以扩大生产。反对奢侈享乐生活。

  节葬
  不把社会财富浪费在死人身上(儒家的厚葬耗钱财,守丧则需三年,三年过后人虚弱需要人扶才能起行,影响国家生产力,乃浪费之事)。


  此外还有逻辑学等;墨子还是一个杰出的科学家,在力学、几何学、代数学、光学等方面,都有重大贡献,是当代诸子所望尘莫及。墨家在科学上的成就为众多学者所称赞,中华民国首任教育总长蔡元培认为:“先秦唯墨子颇治科学”。历史学家杨向奎称“中国古代墨家的科技成就等于或超过整个古代希腊。”


  而世界历史古代,逻辑学方面有三个体系,一个是亚里士多德创立的逻辑学,一个印度已经失传很久的因明学,再者就是墨子里面提到的逻辑体系,主要是机械工程方面的严密体系。







( I'm sorry, I do not understand English. )
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There will be emphasis on the Rule of Law, not "Independence of the Judiciary."
You cannot have one without the other IF you want an honest 'Rule of Law'.

There must always be laws if we are to live peacefully in a community in spite of our differences. But just as anything created by man can be misused, intentionally or not, and abused, so will laws.

So let us take the judiciary for now...

If the law is misused, the judiciary will pronounce judgement at least reminding us of how the law is so supposed to work. If the law is abused, and abuses are usually from willful intent, the judiciary will pronounce judgement on punishment appropriate to the severity of the abuse and the consequences suffered by the people. The 'rule of law' cannot be realized if the judiciary is ever under constant fear of reprisals from the lawmakers, especially if the judges are terrified of issuing reminders, let alone mete out punishments.
 
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( I'm sorry, I do not understand English. )


  作者:吴王流丝

  中国古代科技没有发展起来,有很多原因,主要原因就是儒家文化基本全是垃圾文化。

  儒家文化里,君臣之道,孝道,仁义,忠勇,妇道,这些东西对科技进步和法制的养成没有任何意义,所以中国古代几乎没有任何有价值的理论。

  特别是,需要逻辑推理,才能得到的原理,中国古代几乎没有,

  中国古代的成就,都是对自然现象的简单利用,或者是一些小技术,生产中经验的总结。

  四大发明全部是对自然现象的简单利用,没有原理,没有逻辑推理建立起来的系统的科学原理,

  而且中国古代人没有对自然奥秘探索的精神。罪魁祸首就是儒家思想。

  可是墨家,中国官方却从来不关注。有人说中国古代没有逻辑,其实有,墨家思想里,有中国最古老的逻辑理论,是中国逻辑的起源,逻辑是自然科学形成的基础,也是法制理论的基础。可是墨家之后,逻辑在中国就绝迹了。

  还有,墨家思想里极力推崇探索自然奥秘,他对自然的物理,天文,生物,地理的探索,是在任何其他儒家,道家,法家等思想里看不到的。

  所以墨家思想可以和西方的亚里士多德思想媲美。

  墨家的平民思想,加上他的逻辑,自然探索,可以说墨家思想和西方的民主,科学,理性,法制有着极高的吻合度。在先秦诸子里,墨家才是成就最高的理论。

  如果,秦始皇后,我们的社会以墨家思想治国,他的逻辑,就能衍生出自然科学和法制体系。可是很悲剧的是,中国古代全部推崇的是那个几把没有任何作用的儒家,使中国两千年来没有任何科技成就。


亲爱的同胞,恕我直言,我没看懂你想表达什么............





  作者:zy8353

  中国诸子百家,最好的是墨家,最差的是法家

  墨家讲究科学平等兼爱,如果按照墨家的思想走下去,中国早就领先世界800年了;其次是老庄,无为而治,自由市场经济,没有压迫剥削,经济会繁荣,但是恐怕会受到外敌入侵或者要像欧洲那样分裂成小国;然后是儒家,讲究仁义和等级秩序,但儒家理想太高不切合实际,在实际运行中往往演变成外儒内法;最差是法家,各种阴谋权术下三滥的手段全用上,导致人民被残酷奴役盘剥,历史上治乱更替。







  作者:浊酒空明

  尊墨贬儒,儒家已经不符合时代的发展,应该被淘汰了。

  墨子出身寒微,最早游学天下,曾师从儒门,因不认同儒家的一些观点,遂自立门户,以儒家部分思想结合自己的理念,成立墨家。

  其核心思想可有十点:

  兼爱
  完全的博爱(与儒家的亲亲相对反,将父慈、子孝、兄友、弟悌......等等的亲人对待方式,扩展到其他陌生人身上)。

  非攻
  反对侵略战争(战争对于败者的伤害及,伤人命、损其才,是没有意义的破坏行动。而对于胜方而言,仅仅是获得了数座城池与税收,但总的来说伤害与损失也是巨大的,所以战争是没有意义的行为)。

  尚贤
  不分贵贱唯才是举。

  尚同
  上下一心为人民服务,为社会兴利除弊(有一说法为“上同”,认为天子是百官之首,而百姓听令百官,与上而同,此乃“上同”之意)。

  天志
  掌握自然规律。

  明鬼
  尊重前人智慧和经验(有一说法认为墨家说鬼所为并非迷信,而是希望以神鬼之说使人民警惕,不行邪恶)。

  非命
  通过努力奋斗掌握自己的命运。

  非乐
  摆脱划分等级的礼乐束缚,废除繁琐奢靡的编钟制造和演奏(古代音乐费时耗事,花费甚大,于国家并无生产的行为,乃无用之事)。

  节用
  节约以扩大生产。反对奢侈享乐生活。

  节葬
  不把社会财富浪费在死人身上(儒家的厚葬耗钱财,守丧则需三年,三年过后人虚弱需要人扶才能起行,影响国家生产力,乃浪费之事)。


  此外还有逻辑学等;墨子还是一个杰出的科学家,在力学、几何学、代数学、光学等方面,都有重大贡献,是当代诸子所望尘莫及。墨家在科学上的成就为众多学者所称赞,中华民国首任教育总长蔡元培认为:“先秦唯墨子颇治科学”。历史学家杨向奎称“中国古代墨家的科技成就等于或超过整个古代希腊。”


  而世界历史古代,逻辑学方面有三个体系,一个是亚里士多德创立的逻辑学,一个印度已经失传很久的因明学,再者就是墨子里面提到的逻辑体系,主要是机械工程方面的严密体系。







( I'm sorry, I do not understand English. )
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Any news on the Independence of the Judiciary?

Buddy, this may be of interest to you, @Nihonjin1051 .

China must chart own course to rule of law
Source:Global Times

The ongoing Fourth Plenary Session of the 18th Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (CPC) will deliberate and pass the decision on major issues concerning comprehensively advancing the rule of law. Global public opinion has paid much attention to the plenum, mirroring the extraordinary significance of it. But noticeably, mainstream Western media have questioned whether the Party or the law is paramount in China. This may lead to the meeting being misread. In their analyses, the leadership of the CPC and the rule of law are contradictory. Such stereotyped political logic of the West has long affected part of China.

These misperceptions must be swept away. Official documents such as the report to the 18th National Congress of the CPC and leaders' speeches in recent years have repeatedly cast light on the combination of the CPC's leadership, the position of the people as masters of the country and the rule of law. This emphasizes that "the Party should lead legislation, ensure law enforcement and set an example by abiding by the law."

Building China into a state under the rule of law is the culmination of China's long-term crusade to improve the legal system. Some 17 years have passed since the rule of law was written into the report to the 15th National Congress of the CPC in 1997 for the first time. It's high time to mobilize the whole Party and the Chinese people to make a determination to march toward that goal.

Resorting to its soft power, the West has attempted to distract us from our process and goals. It has indeed influenced some Chinese, who hold that the rule of law is incompatible to China's fundamental political system. The focus of the rule of law at present should be administering officials by law. The Party should carry out its activities within the framework of the Constitution and other laws, and no organization or individual has the privilege to overstep the Constitution and any other laws. These are not slogans, but must be implemented in reforms by governments at all levels and become routine for officials.

It is obvious that the West and the CPC share a different purpose in advancing the rule of law in China. Our goal is to realize people's happiness and national prosperity through improving socialist institutions. But the West doesn't truly care about the fate of 1.3 billion people. What they care about is their own interests. An abrupt approach which is at the huge cost of social uncertainty won't be China's choice to advance the rule of law. It must be able to improve Chinese people's livelihoods. It is a request raised by our own people. Only the long-ruling CPC can be serious in taking this responsibility.

When China embraces a major endeavor, it is time to form a new force to drive the country forward; meanwhile, external influences will try to impose their effect. It has already become a routine. The rule of law is now at the threshold of comprehensive advancement. The blueprint of its implementation will emerge in a few days. It won't be an illusion, but will be based on China's past experience.
 
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( I'm sorry, I do not understand English. )


  作者:吴王流丝

  中国古代科技没有发展起来,有很多原因,主要原因就是儒家文化基本全是垃圾文化。

  儒家文化里,君臣之道,孝道,仁义,忠勇,妇道,这些东西对科技进步和法制的养成没有任何意义,所以中国古代几乎没有任何有价值的理论。

  特别是,需要逻辑推理,才能得到的原理,中国古代几乎没有,

  中国古代的成就,都是对自然现象的简单利用,或者是一些小技术,生产中经验的总结。

  四大发明全部是对自然现象的简单利用,没有原理,没有逻辑推理建立起来的系统的科学原理,

  而且中国古代人没有对自然奥秘探索的精神。罪魁祸首就是儒家思想。

  可是墨家,中国官方却从来不关注。有人说中国古代没有逻辑,其实有,墨家思想里,有中国最古老的逻辑理论,是中国逻辑的起源,逻辑是自然科学形成的基础,也是法制理论的基础。可是墨家之后,逻辑在中国就绝迹了。

  还有,墨家思想里极力推崇探索自然奥秘,他对自然的物理,天文,生物,地理的探索,是在任何其他儒家,道家,法家等思想里看不到的。

  所以墨家思想可以和西方的亚里士多德思想媲美。

  墨家的平民思想,加上他的逻辑,自然探索,可以说墨家思想和西方的民主,科学,理性,法制有着极高的吻合度。在先秦诸子里,墨家才是成就最高的理论。

  如果,秦始皇后,我们的社会以墨家思想治国,他的逻辑,就能衍生出自然科学和法制体系。可是很悲剧的是,中国古代全部推崇的是那个几把没有任何作用的儒家,使中国两千年来没有任何科技成就。








  作者:zy8353

  中国诸子百家,最好的是墨家,最差的是法家

  墨家讲究科学平等兼爱,如果按照墨家的思想走下去,中国早就领先世界800年了;其次是老庄,无为而治,自由市场经济,没有压迫剥削,经济会繁荣,但是恐怕会受到外敌入侵或者要像欧洲那样分裂成小国;然后是儒家,讲究仁义和等级秩序,但儒家理想太高不切合实际,在实际运行中往往演变成外儒内法;最差是法家,各种阴谋权术下三滥的手段全用上,导致人民被残酷奴役盘剥,历史上治乱更替。







  作者:浊酒空明

  尊墨贬儒,儒家已经不符合时代的发展,应该被淘汰了。

  墨子出身寒微,最早游学天下,曾师从儒门,因不认同儒家的一些观点,遂自立门户,以儒家部分思想结合自己的理念,成立墨家。

  其核心思想可有十点:

  兼爱
  完全的博爱(与儒家的亲亲相对反,将父慈、子孝、兄友、弟悌......等等的亲人对待方式,扩展到其他陌生人身上)。

  非攻
  反对侵略战争(战争对于败者的伤害及,伤人命、损其才,是没有意义的破坏行动。而对于胜方而言,仅仅是获得了数座城池与税收,但总的来说伤害与损失也是巨大的,所以战争是没有意义的行为)。

  尚贤
  不分贵贱唯才是举。

  尚同
  上下一心为人民服务,为社会兴利除弊(有一说法为“上同”,认为天子是百官之首,而百姓听令百官,与上而同,此乃“上同”之意)。

  天志
  掌握自然规律。

  明鬼
  尊重前人智慧和经验(有一说法认为墨家说鬼所为并非迷信,而是希望以神鬼之说使人民警惕,不行邪恶)。

  非命
  通过努力奋斗掌握自己的命运。

  非乐
  摆脱划分等级的礼乐束缚,废除繁琐奢靡的编钟制造和演奏(古代音乐费时耗事,花费甚大,于国家并无生产的行为,乃无用之事)。

  节用
  节约以扩大生产。反对奢侈享乐生活。

  节葬
  不把社会财富浪费在死人身上(儒家的厚葬耗钱财,守丧则需三年,三年过后人虚弱需要人扶才能起行,影响国家生产力,乃浪费之事)。


  此外还有逻辑学等;墨子还是一个杰出的科学家,在力学、几何学、代数学、光学等方面,都有重大贡献,是当代诸子所望尘莫及。墨家在科学上的成就为众多学者所称赞,中华民国首任教育总长蔡元培认为:“先秦唯墨子颇治科学”。历史学家杨向奎称“中国古代墨家的科技成就等于或超过整个古代希腊。”


  而世界历史古代,逻辑学方面有三个体系,一个是亚里士多德创立的逻辑学,一个印度已经失传很久的因明学,再者就是墨子里面提到的逻辑体系,主要是机械工程方面的严密体系。







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Right...

That is why China need to be a foreign worshiper, aka Democracy!

Taiwan is the living prove!

It's happening in HK right now too!


The world civilization history:

Egypt --> Greek --> Roman --> European Enlightenment --> Modern Day.

99% of world inventions and discoveries are made by European!


While China... stuck because of the EVIL figure called Kongzi.

(Mainland supreme God, Mao Zedong the great say that too!)
 
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You cannot have one without the other IF you want an honest 'Rule of Law'.

There must always be laws if we are to live peacefully in a community in spite of our differences. But just as anything created by man can be misused, intentionally or not, and abused, so will laws.

So let us take the judiciary for now...

If the law is misused, the judiciary will pronounce judgement at least reminding us of how the law is so supposed to work. If the law is abused, and abuses are usually from willful intent, the judiciary will pronounce judgement on punishment appropriate to the severity of the abuse and the consequences suffered by the people. The 'rule of law' cannot be realized if the judiciary is ever under constant fear of reprisals from the lawmakers, especially if the judges are terrified of issuing reminders, let alone mete out punishments.

Lool Bro there wont be any Independence of Judiciary in China. You must be dreaming. Not in 40 years, as far as the communist party rules, its simply out of question. If they wanted to do that, then they will have learned from Hong Kong which has quite a good(some say the best in the world) independent Judiciary system who can prosecute any body found guilty of corruption even the chief executive(or president if you want).

Imagine the judiciary was free in China like say in Hong Kong to prosecute/pronounce judgement on some corrupt high officials in the communist party, then im afraid more than half/ if not almost all high ranking members of the communist party will be behind bars.(prime ministers and former presidents included).:lol: So this will all but mean an end to the communist party as we know it.

I think what the CCP will do, is keep being corrupt(of course they can't avoid it),sending their kids to live/study here in U.K/west/U.S etc, while at the same investing/making it easier to set up business in China and continue to improve living standards of the people, So the country grows as a whole and shows the communist party indeed works/care for the people. To be honest i don't see any other developing country(democratic ones included) who have done better than them these past decades to be honest. :sad:

So expect them to be corrupt as usual, but that doesnt means they won't work/improve the country as whole.You can still steal while working IMO(unlike most emerging/developing countries whose officals steal but dont work at all/do anything to improve the country). lool:D:P
 
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