China collapse? China will be more powerful than ever

[beijingwalker]

You generally collapse from a higher to a lower position, china hasnt even made it to a high income country yet, for the west it never even reached a stage to collapse down further.

Mostly it has been a very good factory for western consumers to utilize its cheap labor class.

We can talk about collapse when it gets at par with Eastern Europe at least.

China's GDP per capita has already surpassed some of the Eastern European countries already, how about you India? and Europe now is in big trouble and recession than anywhere else in the world.

 

[K_Bin_W]

You generally collapse from a higher to a lower position, china hasnt even made it to a high income country yet, for the west it never even reached a stage to collapse down further.

Mostly it has been a very good factory for western consumers to utilize its cheap labor class.

We can talk about collapse when it gets at par with Eastern Europe at least.

Irrelevant logic,,,, because China has become the 2nd largest economy and is poised to become the biggest. Check the news and youtubes China has been collapsing ever since and will continue to do so. China is not going anywhere any time soon.

We Muslims hope China rises as the world's largest economy to offset USA's dominance.

I hope OIC sees China as the leader of the developing world.


Or Chinese keep telling people in Saudi Arabia and in Pakistan: " Oh shut-up, at least we are anti-crusade, idiot." lol.

We got to follow the Chinese model to reduce poverty.

 

[DabbuSardar]

China's GDP per capita has already surpassed some of the Eastern European countries already, how about you India? and Europe now is in big trouble and recession than anywhere else in the world.

China barely scraped past the poorest eastern europeans, and now is in a housing crash.

China just got used to make toys for their white masters again as usual.

New opium war lol.

Irrelevant logic,,,, because China has become the 2nd largest economy and is poised to become the biggest. Check the news and youtubes China has been collapsing ever since and will continue to do so. China is not going anywhere any time soon.


We got to follow the Chinese model to reduce poverty.

Irrelevant logic is quoting random YouTube videos as proof of china hating.

Relevant logic is China getting old and poor again after barely getting out of absolute poverty.

 

[beijingwalker]

China barely scraped past the poorest eastern europeans, and now is in a housing crash.

China just got used to make toys for their white masters again as usual.

New opium war lol.

China is still a developing country, true, but its already the world biggest trading nation, exports nation, trade surplus nation, foreign reserves nation, industrial nation, agricultural nation, mining nation, shipping nation, manufacturing nation...How about you India?

 

[DabbuSardar]

China is still a developing country, true, but its already the world biggest trading nation, exports nation, trade surplus nation, foreign reserves nation, industrial nation, agricultural nation, mining nation, shipping nation, manufacturing nation...How about you India?

Out of its 3000 year history less than last ten years have been largest trading,holding foreign reserves in others currencies(lol), industry, mining yada yada yada, within next 10 years will go back to sick man of asia, whats new?

You will soon grow old and stagnate like your buddy japs.

Something about them asian genetic make up never allowed them to become equal.

 

[beijingwalker]

Out of its 3000 year history less than last ten years have been largest trading,holding foreign reserves in others currencies(lol), industry, mining yada yada yada, within next 10 years will go back to sick man of asia, whats new?

You will soon grow old and stagnate like your buddy japs.

Something about them asian genetic make up never allowed them to become equal.

We are not talking about the past neither the future. China holds those titles Now. How about you India? can you answer my last question?
if you don't know, just answer you don't know.

 

[K_Bin_W]

China barely scraped past the poorest eastern europeans, and now is in a housing crash.

China just got used to make toys for their white masters again as usual.

New opium war lol.


Irrelevant logic is quoting random YouTube videos as proof of china hating.

Relevant logic is China getting old and poor again after barely getting out of absolute poverty.

Dont know what world you live in but right now as we speak China is growing. I know in the future yada yada yada - Save it for the future.. A bird in hand is better than 2 in the bush.

 

[DabbuSardar]

We are not talking about the past neither the future. China holds those titles Now. How about you India? can you answer my last question?
if you don't know, just answer you don't know.

China is our factory right now working 9-9-6 to serve its masters need for cheap stiff, what more can we ask!

Dont know what world you live in but right now as we speak China is growing. I know in the future yada yada yada - Save it for the future.. A bird in hand is better than 2 in the bush.

In this world China has reached its limits and stopped growing for a while. Its dying off after a brief flicker.

Even USA is growing faster than China rn, welcome to the real world.

 

[SaadH]

USA empire is in decadence, and it's dropping his European provinces, to avoid a future war against China (when a powerful state needs raw materials and energy, it starts wars).

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USA will turn into a normal rich country, like Germany today.

Germany and rest of NATO European vassals will turn into in something like Latin America living standards or less, without cheap energy in the future.

And China will be turn into the future world sole superpower, like USA today.

It's inevitable, and it's the less worst choice.
The worst would be WWIII.

All Ukraine war is about this, it's about give Russia energy resources from West Europe to China. Instigated and well planned by twisted USA.

For US to become an irrelevant declining Eurotrash country, dollar would have to lose its reserve currency status and it won't be that easy getting to that point. US will nuke several countries before this idea gets any meaningful hold.

 

[Cheepek]

China's manufacturing is not weakened

This is such an ignorant statement. What do you mean by this? The tech know-how, the machines, the equipment et al will just vanish from China?
You are losing markets, whatever you can do in China is being copied and diversified to other countries. You anyway hold no tech or IP of of your own.
The manufacturing will stay in China to cater a 1.3B declining population.
But for the rest of world, it will eventually diversify if ties remain fraught.

 

[NG Missile Vessels]

You anyway hold no tech or IP of of your own.
The manufacturing will stay in China to cater a 1.3B declining population

The most expensive parts of a phone such as Processor, memory chip, camera lens and touchscreen are all made in either Japan, SK or Taiwan. Some other critical parts such as gyroscope come from Germany and other countries. If I remember correctly, even for China the IPhone indigenization percentage by value is around 20-25%. Until 2019, it was actually less than 10%. Only recently did China start manufacturing batteries, speakers etc for the IPhone which increased their percentage.

I hope at least in the next few years we can develop expertise in medium value components such as batteries and speakers.Now even though the percentage of Chinese components has increased. You can see, for most of the countries it is around 20%.

What is the threshold of value addition, for a country to be considered an iPhone manufacturers. The supplers are distributed accross the global & none of them have a majority stake (50% value addition) in iphone manufacturing.

Most ICs like DRAM, Flash, Processors, MEMS, camera module and even display which is semiconductor and battery cells are made in Taiwan, US, Japan or Korea.

These items are the crown jewels of those countries, and also make a large portion of the Bill-of-Materials cost of a phone and super spy like Chinese also has troubles stealing said tech, so at best they are limited to low end production of such items, like their ICs will use a larger technology node( SMIC of China theoretically can do 14nm chip production, their production in reality is 20nm and below, meanwhile you have TSMC at 5nm )
Displays bigger than 6.1 inch will always be supplied by Samsung or LG

The only state of the art Chinese production of this is of NAND Flash by Samsung in Xian and SK Hynix somewhere else in China.

What parts they add into their phones depends on what $$$ it's going to sell for, high-end phones with cutting edge specs will have higher percentage of imported components which are indeed state of the art, lower end phones will have greater chinesw contribution, like the screen may come from BOE displays which is a chinese vendor for example.

But even with low end phones they cannot fully supplant the Ebul Phoreners and go full Atmanirbhar Cheen, market forces and customer preferences discourage it, also the capabilities of their companies.

 

[BHAN85]

For US to become an irrelevant declining Eurotrash country, dollar would have to lose its reserve currency status and it won't be that easy getting to that point. US will nuke several countries before this idea gets any meaningful hold.

Why? You dont understand current USA elite mindset, it's not like the Chinese. It's not like the patriotic USA of 1970s. Current USA is a constant show of lies to deceive their own people.

Chinese elite is Han Chinese elite, a patriotic regime who want a better life for 100% Han Chinese people in the world. The upper elite can't forget that without destroy all China power system, based in Han ethnicity patriotism.

Current USA is in the hands of Jewish American bankers elite, filthy anglo gentiles are irrelevant and have no real power, Biden and rest of USA politicians are a bunch of clowns and employees of Choose People Bankers.

The Anglo Elite image in the USA was self damaged under Bush rule, when they did 911 self attacks and other stupid things, USA economic elite prefer the Jewish Bankers, they know how to keep their living standards without do stupid things like the Bush idi*ts, they solved problems for the elite in the last big financial crisis 2008.

Common American people means nothing to USA state, they are constantly deceived by their own state. Just check out Capitol attack in last USA elections, all a FBI undercovers work, deceiving their own people.

Anyway, USA will keep their living standards but without current world influence, they already are losing it.

The real fcked up will be Germany, France.., and rest of eurodumbfcks. France is starting to taste it in Africa, with Niger cutting links as Uranium provider, and USA ignoring them.

But the real funny thing will be next years when USA shale gas will run out, as Russia keep sending natural gas to China. Then we will see EU retarded yuppies corruption result in all his glory.

 

[kankan326]

This is such an ignorant statement. What do you mean by this? The tech know-how, the machines, the equipment et al will just vanish from China?
You are losing markets, whatever you can do in China is being copied and diversified to other countries. You anyway hold no tech or IP of of your own.
The manufacturing will stay in China to cater a 1.3B declining population.
But for the rest of world, it will eventually diversify if ties remain fraught.

Chinese goods that are losing markets are low end products. Like shoes, toys, furniture. Meanwhile China is gaining more markets in middle and high end goods. China became largest car exporter. Chinese brand cars are squeeze Japanese brand cars out in Tailand. Chinese memory chips and display screen made Samsung profitless.

China is still the biggest trade surplus country regardless the bad world economy. Meanwhile Japan, Germany, S.Korea are either in trade deficit or a trade balance. It only proves China's manufacturing is more competitive than before.

The most expensive parts of a phone such as Processor, memory chip, camera lens and touchscreen are all made in either Japan, SK or Taiwan. Some other critical parts such as gyroscope come from Germany and other countries. If I remember correctly, even for China the IPhone indigenization percentage by value is around 20-25%. Until 2019, it was actually less than 10%. Only recently did China start manufacturing batteries, speakers etc for the IPhone which increased their percentage.
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Check out expensive Huawei phones. The cheapest one is USD2700 each. >80% components are from Chinese suppliers.

 

[beijingwalker]

China is our factory right now working 9-9-6 to serve its masters need for cheap stiff, what more can we ask!

China's working conditions? lol, worse than this?

 

[BHAN85]

5G technology will be the key to China to get all the know how they need.

USA likely will allow it to calm down China, as long China steals Eurodumbfcks companies know how, it's ok for USA.

Here what is matter is the trend.

And China trend is to up, as Europe trend is to down, and that will keep in the future.