China Can Sink American Ships Faster Than America Can Replace Them

[Mk-313]

israel was good at upgrading their jets unlike arabs who were operating migs without up gradation ,israel has weapon manufacturing industry and integrates their weapons and electronics on jets for higher performance

see this is hearsay. Which comes into speculation oh but they could do this and that but that’s not how it works. To upgrade a jet u need approval or put it into ur purchase contract with the selling country that you can. You can’t just silly billy go upgrade it. So it’s highly speculative.

plus at that time Israel wasn’t that much developed. We gave them majority of the weapons to fight the arabs. They began advancements in military after the war and when they realized it’s absolutely necessary for them to do after what happened

because at the time of war Israel had only been a country about 20 or so years so it’s unlikely that they would have such advancement

 

[Yaseen1]

as I said our pilot experienced jamming and certain advanced tactics by israeli pilot at that time which showed they had upgraded jet,israel also integrated their weapons with mirage 2000 of india which they claimed to be used in balakot strikes

see this is hearsay. Which comes into speculation oh but they could do this and that but that’s not how it works. To upgrade a jet u need approval or put it into ur purchase contract with the selling country that you can. You can’t just silly billy go upgrade it. So it’s highly speculative.

plus at that time Israel wasn’t that much developed. We gave them majority of the weapons to fight the arabs. They began advancements in military after the war and when they realized it’s absolutely necessary for them to do after what happened

because at the time of war Israel had only been a country about 20 or so years so it’s unlikely that they would have such advancement

 

[Mk-313]

as I said our pilot experienced jamming and certain advanced tactics by israeli pilot at that time which showed they had upgraded jet,israel also integrated their weapons with mirage 2000 of india which they claimed to be used in balakot strikes

Dude, none if ur video said that they had jammers or upgraded it. Mirage iii are so old they didn’t had hammers at the time. Also to combat u need counter measures to the jammer . Plus if u search there has none ever been a record of a mirage fitted with any jammer

again u need to rethink what’s worthy of credible information.

As I said a country that has only been in existence for 20 years isn’t magically gona produce such an advance industry that a lot of Europeans countries couldn’t produce at the time. And be equivalent to France in technology to produce equivalent jammer air upgrade technology

 

[Yaseen1]

i have watched interview of our pilot about jammers but it was in urdu

Dude, none if ur video said that they had jammers or upgraded it. Mirage iii are so old they didn’t had hammers at the time. Also to combat u need counter measures to the jammer . Plus if u search there has none ever been a record of a mirage fitted with any jammer

again u need to rethink what’s worthy of credible information.

As I said a country that has only been in existence for 20 years isn’t magically gona produce such an advance industry that a lot of Europeans countries couldn’t produce at the time. And be equivalent to France in technology to produce equivalent jammer air upgrade technology

what this video from 26 minutes you will find how israel shot down mig21 of egypt using similar mirage3

Dude, none if ur video said that they had jammers or upgraded it. Mirage iii are so old they didn’t had hammers at the time. Also to combat u need counter measures to the jammer . Plus if u search there has none ever been a record of a mirage fitted with any jammer

again u need to rethink what’s worthy of credible information.

As I said a country that has only been in existence for 20 years isn’t magically gona produce such an advance industry that a lot of Europeans countries couldn’t produce at the time. And be equivalent to France in technology to produce equivalent jammer air upgrade technology

 

[Mk-313]

i have watched interview of our pilot about jammers but it was in urdu

what this video from 26 minutes you will find how israel shot down mig21 of egypt using similar mirage3

You said yourself Arabs are not well trained so obviously they will still get shot down with a better plane. Has nothing to do with

 

[Yaseen1]

in this video commentator clearly said that mig21 and mirage 3 are equal in capability

You said yourself Arabs are not well trained so obviously they will still get shot down with a better plane. Has nothing to do with

 

[Mk-313]

in this video commentator clearly said that mig21 and mirage 3 are equal in capability

Comparsion

Mirage III
engine: 60.98KN
speed: Mach 2
thrust/weight ratio: 0.59
weigth: 9600 KG

Mig-21
engine: 69 KN
Speed: Mach 2
thrust/weight ratio: 0.76
weight: 8725 KG

I guess mig is a little better at maneuvering being lighter and have a little better engine. but not significant enough that you can say it was a technology leap

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

The thrust figures for the MiG-21 are for which version?
The Bis model had emergency second reheat which gave a T/W of over 1.
Even in speed, the MiG-21 will easily go over Mach 2.2 at high altitude.

 

[Mk-313]

in this video commentator clearly said that mig21 and mirage 3 are equal in capability

So in this sense 3 possibilities exist

1- israeli pilot thought it was an arab pilot and didnt put in entire effort and was caught by surprised. afterall if u can take down arabs with 50% effort why will you put 100%

2- Pakistani airforce is better trained than israel.

3- pakistani and israeli pilot are equivilantly trained and the slight superiority of mig-21 gave paksitani pilot the edge

i guess time will tell if they ever came face to face

The thrust figures for the MiG-21 are for which version?
The Bis model had emergency second reheat which gave a T/W of over 1.
Even in speed, the MiG-21 will easily go over Mach 2.2 at high altitude.

whichever version the arabs were flying at the time

The thrust figures for the MiG-21 are for which version?
The Bis model had emergency second reheat which gave a T/W of over 1.
Even in speed, the MiG-21 will easily go over Mach 2.2 at high altitude.

if the bison has an over 1 T/W ratio which is equivialnt to an F-15. how come you guys got shot down by an F-16

 

[fisher1]

Lol cowards couldn't even take Ladakh and they're dreaming of fighting with America.

America isn't India where you can fist fight with them like a bunch of teenagers.

They will be bringing the big daddy guns

 

[beijingwalker]

Lol cowards couldn't even take Ladakh and they're dreaming of fighting with America.

America isn't India where you can fist fight with them like a bunch of teenagers.

They will be bringing the big daddy guns

China directly and indirectly fough US twice, one was in Korea, another one is in Vietnam. You US fantasy doesn't work for China, with China's support, US dares not even touch north Korea.

 

[Mk-313]

China directly and indirectly fough US twice, one was in Korea, another one is in Vietnam. You US fantasy doesn't work for China, with China's support, US dares not even touch north Korea.

it vehemently did in korea. North Korea invaded South Korea. Couldn’t take it While haveing 2:1 advantage in the army . More aircrafts

-couldn’t take South Korea
- had 6X as much death of Chinese soldiers vs the US. And that’s from Chinese sources. US sources is 10x
- North Korea lost net 4000Km of area to the US and that’s including their capture of Sokcho
- North Korea became the most bombed country in history

Even partnering with the exact equivalent super power (Soviet) Of the US. this is what happened in China’s war

- so yeah I would stop with the “Daring” thing


In Vietnam. You didn’t fight directly. But US got its *** handed to them by the Migs. US lost 12,000 aircrafts to the Mig-21 and tet-offensive by viets. (But F-16 and F-15 came out of it)

Viets partnering with equivalent superpower (soviets) to the US + their aerial technological superiority (Mig) over the US at that time caused US to lost

Today there is no equivalent to US as a super power like soviets were

 

[beijingwalker]

it vehemently did in korea. North Korea invaded South Korea. Couldn’t take it While haveing 2:1 advantage in the army . More aircrafts

-couldn’t take South Korea
- had 6X as much death of Chinese soldiers vs the US. And that’s from Chinese sources. US sources is 10x
- North Korea lost net 4000Km of area to the US and that’s including their capture of Sokcho
- North Korea became the most bombed country in history

Even partnering with the exact equivalent super power (Soviet) Of the US. this is what happened in China’s war

- so yeah I would stop with the “Daring” thing


In Vietnam. You didn’t fight directly. But US got its *** handed to them by the Migs. US lost 12,000 aircrafts to the Mig-21 and tet-offensive by viets. (But F-16 and F-15 came out of it)

Viets partnering with equivalent superpower (soviets) to the US + their aerial technological superiority (Mig) over the US at that time caused US to lost

Today there is no equivalent to US as a super power like soviets were

So China did take on US even US was not directly fighting China, I had my point made.

 

[Avatar]

US can sink Chinese ambitions faster than China can fulfill it, without a military conflict.

 

[Mk-313]

So China did take on US even US was not directly fighting China, I had my point made.

His point was To fight alone. My point is both times u fought with the US you had to do it with the support of an equivalent Super power i.e Soviet Russia at that time

- also nullified ur point that with China’s support they don’t “dare” for North Korea while you never fought US without the support of Soviet union

You never took US alone as a country