China and US in talks on code of conduct

[TaiShang]

Looks like the US side is coming to their senses as China pressures ahead to keep clean its near territories from US spying activity.

In these talks, China should make clear its red lines and let the US business partners know about the undesired consequences if China's national security is breached.

I see this as a positive development. With the US coming closer to China's line of argument and respecting China's national security, further such encounters that we saw last week will be avoided.

If not, more violent encounters may be unavoidable. China would be fool if it let a major power spy on itself with impunity. A country in China's scale will certainly not tolerate it.

This is an extension of friendship to US as China's business partner. Hopefully they will not turn it down.

China and US in talks on code of conduct

China and the United States will hold a working group meeting this week to discuss a military security code of conduct covering international waters and airspace, the Ministry of National Defense told China Daily on Tuesday.

Further concerns have been raised over frequent spying by the US along China's coastline after a "close encounter" last week between a Chinese navy fighter jet and a US Navy reconnaissance plane.

The incident happened about 200 km from the Chinese coast.

Observers said a code of conduct is needed to avoid friction between the two countries, but no major progress will be made until Washington stops conducting airspace espionage near Chinese territory.

The ministry said that under the consensus reached between China and the US in July, Beijing has sent a delegation to the US, from Monday to Friday, to attend the working group meeting regarding consultations on the code of conduct.

"This is part of the annual plan for China-US military exchanges, aimed at implementing the consensus reached by the leaders of the two countries and boosting the establishment of a China-US military security code of conduct regarding international waters and airspace," the ministry said.

Jin Canrong, a professor of international relations at Renmin University of China, said the start of talks on the code of conduct is a hopeful sign for "avoiding unexpected military conflicts" on the high seas when the two countries try to safeguard their own interests.

Jin said the development is "unlikely to see either side abandon its existing pattern of practices", but drawing a red line is at least "necessary and helpful".

President Xi Jinping and his US counterpart Barack Obama met on the sidelines of the 3rd Nuclear Security Summit in March. They agreed on the early formulation of the code of conduct as well as establishing a system for mutual notification of major military activities.

In early July, the two countries completed the sixth round of the Strategic and Economic Dialogue in Beijing and vowed to further strengthen consultations on drawing up the code of conduct.

Zhang Junshe, deputy head of the PLA Naval Research Institute, said an explanation from Washington is still awaited over its frequent "in-close" reconnaissance despite the fact that the US has long claimed its "pivot to Asia Pacific" strategy is not aimed against China.

After last week's airspace encounter with China, Washington has refused to admit that sending a spy plane to waters only 200 km from the Chinese coast is "in-close reconnaissance".

Yang Yujun, spokesman for China's Ministry of National Defense, said on Saturday that a PLA Navy J-11 fighter jet took off to conduct routine identification and verification work on Aug 19 as US Navy P-3 and P-8 planes were conducting reconnaissance about 220 km from Hainan Island.

Yang's comments followed an accusation by Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby on Friday that an armed Chinese fighter jet conducted a dangerous interception of a US Navy P-8 Poseidon patrol aircraft.

Yang said the US accusations against China are groundless, adding, "The US' large-scale, frequent and close reconnaissance is the real source of air safety concerns and possible accidents."

 

[Oldman1]

Looks like the US side is coming to their senses as China pressures ahead to keep clean its near territories from US spying activity.

I see this as a positive development. With the US coming closer to China's line of argument and respecting China's national security, further such encounters that we saw last week will be avoided.

If not, more violent encounters may be unavoidable. China would be fool if it let a major power spy on itself with impunity. A country in China's scale will certainly not tolerate it.

This is an extension of friendship to US as China's business partner. Hopefully they will not turn it down.

China and US in talks on code of conduct

China and the United States will hold a working group meeting this week to discuss a military security code of conduct covering international waters and airspace, the Ministry of National Defense told China Daily on Tuesday.

Further concerns have been raised over frequent spying by the US along China's coastline after a "close encounter" last week between a Chinese navy fighter jet and a US Navy reconnaissance plane.

The incident happened about 200 km from the Chinese coast.

Observers said a code of conduct is needed to avoid friction between the two countries, but no major progress will be made until Washington stops conducting airspace espionage near Chinese territory.

The ministry said that under the consensus reached between China and the US in July, Beijing has sent a delegation to the US, from Monday to Friday, to attend the working group meeting regarding consultations on the code of conduct.

"This is part of the annual plan for China-US military exchanges, aimed at implementing the consensus reached by the leaders of the two countries and boosting the establishment of a China-US military security code of conduct regarding international waters and airspace," the ministry said.

Jin Canrong, a professor of international relations at Renmin University of China, said the start of talks on the code of conduct is a hopeful sign for "avoiding unexpected military conflicts" on the high seas when the two countries try to safeguard their own interests.

Jin said the development is "unlikely to see either side abandon its existing pattern of practices", but drawing a red line is at least "necessary and helpful".

President Xi Jinping and his US counterpart Barack Obama met on the sidelines of the 3rd Nuclear Security Summit in March. They agreed on the early formulation of the code of conduct as well as establishing a system for mutual notification of major military activities.

In early July, the two countries completed the sixth round of the Strategic and Economic Dialogue in Beijing and vowed to further strengthen consultations on drawing up the code of conduct.

Zhang Junshe, deputy head of the PLA Naval Research Institute, said an explanation from Washington is still awaited over its frequent "in-close" reconnaissance despite the fact that the US has long claimed its "pivot to Asia Pacific" strategy is not aimed against China.

After last week's airspace encounter with China, Washington has refused to admit that sending a spy plane to waters only 200 km from the Chinese coast is "in-close reconnaissance".

Yang Yujun, spokesman for China's Ministry of National Defense, said on Saturday that a PLA Navy J-11 fighter jet took off to conduct routine identification and verification work on Aug 19 as US Navy P-3 and P-8 planes were conducting reconnaissance about 220 km from Hainan Island.

Yang's comments followed an accusation by Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby on Friday that an armed Chinese fighter jet conducted a dangerous interception of a US Navy P-8 Poseidon patrol aircraft.

Yang said the US accusations against China are groundless, adding, "The US' large-scale, frequent and close reconnaissance is the real source of air safety concerns and possible accidents."

You mean China is coming to their senses about not being reckless and the U.S. pressures ahead about recon flights in international airspace.

 

[Zsari]

I guess that's the whole point of sending the spy ship to Hawaii and the close air interception of P-8 plane, that China want to negotiate a new code of conduct that it considers acceptable. With new power comes new rules, and China clearly wants to amend the international law to stop reconnaissance in one's EEZ.

 

[TaiShang]

You mean China is coming to their senses about not being reckless and the U.S. pressures ahead about recon flights in international airspace.

No. It means China holding its line and bringing the US side into their senses as to not threatening China's national security by spying on it.

The message is clear: "The US' large-scale, frequent and close reconnaissance is the real source of air safety concerns and possible accidents." (MOD)

So, I expect little from the meeting until the US adopts a change of behavior. China clearly will not tolerate to be spied on and the US side will be one more time reminded of that.

It is certainly a give and take, if it is to be successful/workable: US stops spying on China, and China agrees not to encounter the US spying crafts which are not there anyways.

 

[Zero_wing]

I guess that's the whole point of sending the spy ship to Hawaii and the close air interception of P-8 plane, that China want to negotiate a new code of conduct that it considers acceptable. With new power comes new rules, and China clearly wants to amend the international law to stop reconnaissance in one's EEZ.

Then tell your soilders to leave my country EZZ and our water then oh wait this all talk to stall time thinking hey maybe they will forget but no dice on that.

 

[Oldman1]

No. It means China holding its line and bringing the US side into their senses as to not threatening China's national security by spying on it.

The message is clear: "The US' large-scale, frequent and close reconnaissance is the real source of air safety concerns and possible accidents." (MOD)

So, I expect little from the meeting until the US adopts a change of behavior. China clearly will not tolerate to be spied on and the US side will be one more time reminded of that.

It is certainly a give and take, if it is to be successful/workable: US stops spying on China, and China agrees not to encounter the US spying crafts which are not there anyways.

No the recklessness of your pilots is the real source of air safety concerns. Same on the surface of the water when you parked your ship in front of a U.S. warship. Funny you talk about not tolerating being spied on yet you built a spy ship.

 

[TaiShang]

No the recklessness of your pilots is the real source of air safety concerns. Same on the surface of the water when you parked your ship in front of a U.S. warship. Funny you talk about not tolerating being spied on yet you built a spy ship.

What China cares about is not the safety of a pilot when its national security is at stake.

China will certainly keep encountering US spying crafts near its territories, be it a close contact or a stunt -- that is to be decided by the strategists.

The best way to prevent such incidents is to ensure that US stops spying on China.

Quotes from People's Daily:

China's response to the reconnaissance operations of the US jet is reasonable and justified. The US should not assume that today's China will turn a deaf ear to outsiders who spy on it. Any country that has counter-surveillance abilities will do as China did.

The near collision happened about 217 kilometers east of China's Hainan Island and very close to China's airspace. During a press conference held by a spokesperson of the US Department of State, a reporter from Hong Kong's Phoenix TV asked, "Is it okay if China sends their fighter jets to Hawaii transparently?" The US avoided giving a direct answer.

...the truth is clear. The US even expanded the scale and frequency of monitoring and inspecting China.

The US warships and fighter jets get closer and closer, north to coastal areas around Dalian and south to Hainan Island, now covering the Yellow Sea, the East China Sea and the South China Sea.

According to Chinese military insiders, US jets carry out close reconnaissance on China about 500 times every year and they will stay for quite a long time.

Who would believe that the target of the reconnaissance of such a scale is a country that the US is to establish a new type of major power relationship with?

In my view, even this much of an explanation to what China does in its near areas against spying nations is not justified. China does not need to seek to explain itself to the US as US intentions are expressed through its actions loud and clear.

With a military expansionism in Asia-Pacific against China, US is hard to be trusted.

 

[Oldman1]

What China cares about is not the safety of a pilot when its national security is at stake.

China will certainly keep encountering US spying crafts near its territories, be it a close contact or a stunt -- that is to be decided by the strategists.

The best way to prevent such incidents is to ensure that US stops spying on China.

Quotes from People's Daily:






In my view, even this much of an explanation to what China does in its near areas against spying nations is not justified. China does not need to seek to explain itself to the US as US intentions are expressed through its actions loud and clear.

With a military expansionism in Asia-Pacific against China, US is hard to be trusted.

Good to know that the Chinese don't care about its pilots. That explains it in 2001. You can't stop the recon flights unless you want to shoot it down. Or sink the ships. And the U.S. don't have to seek an explanation about its flights. China doesn't even have to explain about its spy ship either then.

And based on recent events and China's actions, I'm not surprised that China cannot be easily trusted even by its Asian brethren.

 

[Zsari]

Then tell your soilders to leave my country EZZ and our water then oh wait this all talk to stall time thinking hey maybe they will forget but no dice on that.

Unfortunately you cannot just draw an EEZ over other's territory and expect other to accept that.

 

[TaiShang]

Good to know that the Chinese don't care about its pilots. That explains it in 2001. You can't stop the recon flights unless you want to shoot it down. Or sink the ships. And the U.S. don't have to seek an explanation about its flights. China doesn't even have to explain about its spy ship either then.

Obviously, China can determine independently how to act when crisis occurs, considering numerous variables. Each move is directed to elicit certain response. Stop believing only you can strategize.

The harassment and encounters will continue until the US stops spying on China from its near territories. Obviously, it is a game of "who is to break down first."

Good that you made clear that the US is not to stop spying the second largest country in the world until it is forced to do so.

 

[Zsari]

Good to know that the Chinese don't care about its pilots. That explains it in 2001. You can't stop the recon flights unless you want to shoot it down. Or sink the ships. And the U.S. don't have to seek an explanation about its flights. China doesn't even have to explain about its spy ship either then.

China considers losing one of its pilot in exchange for a US surveillance plane a worthy exchange. So such accident could very well happen again especially consider P-8 is the latest toy US just recently started to fly.

 

[Oldman1]

Obviously, China can determine independently how to act when crisis occurs, considering numerous variables. Each move is directed to elicit certain response. Stop believing only you can strategize.

The harassment and encounters will continue until the US stops spying on China from its near territories. Obviously, it is a game of "who is to break down first."

Good that you made clear that the US is not to stop spying the second largest country in the world until it is forced to do so.

Well if you want to keep the harassment then keep it up. I recommend you do more barrel rolls or something. Welcome to the game.

China considers losing one of its pilot in exchange for a US surveillance plane a worthy exchange. So such accident could very well happen again especially consider P-8 is the latest toy US just recently started to fly.

Well then make that accident happen again. Shouldn't be hard for the Chinese pilots.

 

[TaiShang]

Well if you want to keep the harassment then keep it up. I recommend you do more barrel rolls or something. Welcome to the game.

Not to follow your or anybody's recommendations but whatever China's own interests dictate, obviously. One of China's primary aims is to reduce you from being a direct military threat to itself. Strategies will be developed accordingly. Clearly, the game is not only for military prominence, it has economic and political objectives, as well. That's a multi-front game.

Well then make that accident happen again. Shouldn't be hard for the Chinese pilots.

Not until/unless China's own strategists decide so. Terms are dictated by China. Remember, your actions are equally conditioned to China's just as vice versa.

 

[Zero_wing]

Unfortunately you cannot just draw an EEZ over other's territory and expect other to accept that.

funny thats our line your stealing that too man you guys lack originality.

 

[C130]

china crying about U.S spying? da hell
The P-8A was in international waters just like that spy ship you all sent to RIMPAC

w/e they agree on you can bet China will be the first one to break the terms. they are getting bolder and bolder by the day.

surprise your Maverick of a pilot didn't ram his plane into it just like the PLAN rams Vietnamese boats.

China considers losing one of its pilot in exchange for a US surveillance plane a worthy exchange. So such accident could very well happen again especially consider P-8 is the latest toy US just recently started to fly.

how bold.
destroying a multi-hundred dollar plane and killing 7 Americans in international water

you think there won't be consequences?
time to cut the dragons head off before it gets to full of it's self.