Changing times: Ijtihad and other questions Muslims must revisit

[Bratva]

this is not why umer forbidden muta he forbid it because he said
Umar bin al Khattab RA said: The Prophet PBUH allowed Mutah for us for Three days and then Forbade it, By Allah If I hear that anyone does Mutah while he is Muhsan(married) Then I will have him stoned.

source: Ibn Majah.
Hadith rank: SAHIH.

like i said he didnt make ijtahad he only reinforced the decision made by prophet..

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported:We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of (tales or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and durnig the time of Abu Bakr until 'Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr b. Huraith.

حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ، أَخْبَرَنِي أَبُو الزُّبَيْرِ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ جَابِرَ بْنَ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، يَقُولُ كُنَّا نَسْتَمْتِعُ بِالْقُبْضَةِ مِنَ التَّمْرِ وَالدَّقِيقِ الأَيَّامَ عَلَى عَهْدِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَأَبِي بَكْرٍ حَتَّى نَهَى عَنْهُ عُمَرُ فِي شَأْنِ عَمْرِو بْنِ حُرَيْثٍ ‏.‏


Reference : Sahih Muslim 1405 d
In-book reference : Book 16, Hadith 19
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 8, Hadith 3249

 

[AXO4D]

@Akheilos The concept of excluding something is called NASKH. It's a very delicate and complex subject. It requires extensive reading and understanding of the subject. It was practiced in Both sects of Islam. A short intro about it. Post from another forum






It's better you consult a highly qualified scholar to get a more simplified explanation of Naskh concept

naskh can only be done by god through his messenger by divine revelation. therefore after the death of prophet naskh stopped..
the verses you qouted was make naskh by prophet himself. it can not be done by sahabi or any other muslim.

 

[Dubious]

Those two Ulemas that you raised objections interpreted and defined the actions of Sahaba's and Sahabi's who were involved in Naskh.

Yea some 300 yrs after the sahaba were dead...how could they prove anything?
How do know who is right?

Like I said, I'm not going to debate on naskh, it's such a complex subject that I can't comprehend it either. But there are Traditions in Saheeh Bukhari, Muslim on which ayaah's Naskh was applied and the reason for why it was applied.

Like I said yes in Hadith it was.....Even I know so...But those 2 "ulemas" raised it of the Quran....

 

[Bratva]

naskh can only be done by god through his messenger by divine revelation. therefore after the death of prophet naskh stopped..
the verses you qouted was make naskh by prophet himself. it can not be done by sahabi or any other muslim.

Don't make ignorant statements. heck, I'm not going to respond you from now. For the last and upteenth time, I'm going to say, hazrat Ayesha, Hazrat Umar applied naskh with Jamhoor opinion. If you don't bother to open Hadith books and read about it, then don't engage with me on this debate

 

[Bratva]

Yea some 300 yrs after the sahaba were dead...how could they prove anything?
How do know who is right?


Like I said yes in Hadith it was.....Even I know so...But those 2 "ulemas" raised it of the Quran....

Our Saheeh hadith books that were compiled are already based on other hadith books. The process of hadith collection started in 5th rightly guided caliph Umar bin Abdul aziz era on his order. The vetting process, the credibility of person saying the narration were all recorded and stored in huge libraries. What Our Saheeh hadith collectors did was double and triple check the veracity and authenticity of the hadiths.

 

[Dubious]

Our Saheeh hadith books that were compiled are already based on other hadith books. The process of hadith collection started in 5th rightly guided caliph Umar bin Abdul aziz era on his order. The vetting process, the credibility of person saying the narration were all recorded and stored in huge libraries. What Our Saheeh hadith collectors did was double and triple check the veracity and authenticity of the hadiths.

Despite knowing how much work was done to protect the hadith....Yet you question the Quran? and its preservation?

 

[Bratva]

Despite knowing how much work was done to protect the hadith....Yet you question the Quran? and its preservation?

Naskh was done to preserve Quran but done by Sahabi's after the death of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).

 

[AXO4D]

Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported:We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of (tales or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and durnig the time of Abu Bakr until 'Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr b. Huraith.

حَدَّثَنِي مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ رَافِعٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّزَّاقِ، أَخْبَرَنَا ابْنُ جُرَيْجٍ، أَخْبَرَنِي أَبُو الزُّبَيْرِ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ جَابِرَ بْنَ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ، يَقُولُ كُنَّا نَسْتَمْتِعُ بِالْقُبْضَةِ مِنَ التَّمْرِ وَالدَّقِيقِ الأَيَّامَ عَلَى عَهْدِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَأَبِي بَكْرٍ حَتَّى نَهَى عَنْهُ عُمَرُ فِي شَأْنِ عَمْرِو بْنِ حُرَيْثٍ ‏.‏


Reference : Sahih Muslim 1405 d
In-book reference : Book 16, Hadith 19
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 8, Hadith 3249

dude that is what i am trying to tell you. you can interpret the hadith by just reading the raw text and give you ruling according to it you need to read the commentary of that hadith in order to understand it properly.
like for example the hadith you quoted is talking about the opinion of jabir when he didnt know that Prophet SAWS forbade it at Khaybar but when the companion of prophet told him about it he himself start narrating the hadith


نهىرسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يوم خيبر عن لحوم الحمر الأهلية ، ورخص في الخيل .الراوي:جابر بن عبدالله المحدث: البخاري - المصدر: صحيح البخاري - لصفحة أو الرقم: 4219خلاصةحكم المحدث: [صحيح]
Jabir bin Abdullah RAA: "The prophet PBUH forbade on the day of Khaybar The pleasure contract(Mutah) and the meat of the donkey and made Rukhsa for the horse"
Narrator: Jabir bin abdullah RAA
Sahih al Bukhari.

 

[Jf Thunder]

You are a man and I am a man and we both KNOW VERY WELL that when it is about a woman (minus mother and sister), our brains always think dirty, ALWAYS, I repeat ALWAYS. Now cut the crap and move on will you? Thanks.

dude, no, mine doesnt, if you dont stare unnecessarily, your mind will stay under control, just recite "aaozubillah" whenever you get the least bit doubt that u r gonna think dirty, i am not perfect but Alhamdulillah, i try not to stare or look unnecessarily so i stay safe

 

[Dubious]

Naskh was done to preserve Quran but done by Sahabi's after the death of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).

Does that even make sense to you?

Until and unless you are saying what I am - That there were too many copies of rubbish added or removed from the Quran coz of people's habit of writing and twisting facts after the prophet died and the Sahabi did Naskh (using the Quran from Hazrat Hafsa as a reference) to preserve the Quran...Then I agree coz not only the "ulema" you talked about but the course introduction to the Islamic history - references to Hazrat Uthman where he burned the Qurans which were modified!

 

[Jf Thunder]

Thunder bhai Hun eh mutta kee chez eh

Temporary marriage

 

[AXO4D]

Don't make ignorant statements. heck, I'm not going to respond you from now. For the last and upteenth time, I'm going to say, hazrat Ayesha, Hazrat Umar applied naskh with Jamhoor opinion. If you don't bother to open Hadith books and read about it, then don't engage with me on this debate

can you quote saheeh hadith in which omer aur ayesha said they them self did naskh without the premission of prophet..
or any other hadith in which prophet gave permission to ummah to do naskh on their on..
the hadith you qouted is about naskh that took place during the time of prophet. naskh stop after the death of prophet... like allah said in quran
None of our revelations do we abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but we substitute
something better or similar: knowest thou not that Allah hath power over all things?”

[Al-Qur’an 2:106]
thus it is allah who do naskh through massenger and it cant be done by any other person...
do you know that their is fatwa by all school of thought that who ever belief that quran is distorted and this in not the quran left for us by the prophet is a kafir...
as allah himself said about quran.
Allah says: "We have without doubt, sent down the message and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption.)" (15:9)

 

[Gunsnroses]

@Norwegian
You chose a wrong platform bro. I only read first page and knew where topic was heading to. Please find someone knowledgeable on this subject and discuss your queries with him. There is nothing wrong clarifying confusions.

 

[jatt+gutts]

Temporary marriage

In other words prostitution is allowed.

 

[Dubious]

do you know that their is fatwa by all school of thought that who ever belief that quran is distorted and this in not the quran left for us by the prophet is a kafir...

Apart from this part rest is alright...

From my POV its ok to question if you dont question you dont do research you dont learn ....

Even ALLAH said ponder ....he never said eat the words of fatwah