Changing times: Ijtihad and other questions Muslims must revisit

[Judge]

Just as I said earlier, you need a deeper understanding of religion to understand the above........and many other things. When we accept that Islam is Gods religion, amongst others like Christianity and Judaism, we submit ourselves to every word and every rule. Then we acknowledge that this life and everything attached to it are also gifts from God. When God orders us to execute murderers and rapists, He is merely ordering His subjects to do His bidding on His subjects. This life is His gift and He has total authority over it, He decides what punishments we must face and what rewards we reap in this life and the afterlife.

Then you are no better than a cult who believe they can kill anyone because 'God wills it'.

 

[Dubious]

Khala jee, you find the Hadith?

No I am not a full time vala like you...I have work to do Its your hadith that you want to exploit so at least do the favour of finding it before throwing it around as a useful source!

 

[AXO4D]

This exposes your narrow understanding of Islam. Please before contributing more in this thread, Do research on Ijtihad done by Caliph Hazrat Umar (RA) on Mutaa marriage and the inclusion of a single line in Prayer Fajr, A Surah from Quran was excluded and temporary suspension of all the Quranic Punishments during the great calamity when people were forced to steal food and water and He banned hand chopping, whipping people on the basis Islamic government is incapable of providing relief to the people hence are in no position to give punishments

either your are infidel shia wo didnt have to do with islam in the first place aur one ignorant muslim who have no fuc-king knowledge about islam.. as it is proven from authentic hadith that mutaa was made haram during the time of prophet and and the alleged line you are talking about that prayer is better then sleep was part of azan during the time of prophet,

 

[Dubious]

Then you are no better than a cult who believe they can kill anyone because 'God wills it'.

So you want to save rapists and then you wonder why the world recently labelled a certain capital as something

When God orders us to execute murderers and rapists, He is merely ordering His subjects to do His bidding on His subjects.

You want to save murderers and what ship them to UK or grant assylum in Canada? Then you wonder why people are doing bad things in UK or USA or Canada despite being born there and whose brain washing them

Continue saving bad people and continue complaining why the world is chaotic!

 

[Dubious]

either your are infidel shia wo didnt have to do with islam in the first place aur one ignorant muslim who have no fuc-king knowledge about islam.. as it is proven from authentic hadith that mutaa was made haram during the time of prophet and and the alleged line you are talking about that prayer is better then sleep was part of azan during the time of prophet,

Watch your tongue dude! Thats no way to reply!

This exposes your narrow understanding of Islam. Please before contributing more in this thread, Do research on Ijtihad done by Caliph Hazrat Umar (RA) on Mutaa marriage and the inclusion of a single line in Prayer Fajr, A Surah from Quran was excluded and temporary suspension of all the Quranic Punishments during the great calamity when people were forced to steal food and water and He banned hand chopping, whipping people on the basis Islamic government is incapable of providing relief to the people hence are in no position to give punishments

It would be easier if you provided the source at least we can dissect it to see where you picked it up from and what its worth!

And also bring backings from History of this great calamity...

Thank you!

 

[Bratva]

either your are infidel shia wo didnt have to do with islam in the first place aur one ignorant muslim who have no fuc-king knowledge about islam.. as it is proven from authentic hadith that mutaa was made haram during the time of prophet and and the alleged line you are talking about that prayer is better then sleep was part of azan during the time of prophet,

AXOD, You are such an ignorant and shameless person, that you don't even know despite prohibition of Mutaa, people never really stopped doing mutaa. All people used to do mutaa in Abu Bakr (RA) which led to Umar (RA) banning it. Ever heard of Ibn e Abbas (RA) he was a vocal supporter of Mutaa and even had fight with other Sahabi's on it. . Instead of blaming me,, do some research, open Sahi Muslim and read all the related incidents in there. When I say something, it is not based on ignorance but on proper knowledge, try to gain some.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Yea anything against our religion is nice to you lot


And hence why Islam is distorted towards culture over religion in S.Asia! And then people still blame religion when it is the culture that is taking the lead!

Guess you got your answer!

You are partly correct.

Many younger imams are of the view that the Islam followed in India for example is not the real deal. The one followed in Saudi Arabia is more apt. The overwhelming Indian population(including Muslim and otherwise) is strictly and totally opposed to such a view. Salafis for example number around 18 million in India. I honestly hope they cease to exist (by emigration preferably).

 

[Judge]

So you want to save rapists and then you wonder why the world recently labelled a certain capital as something

1. Before you ever reply to me, read the entire conversation before you start writing. I have no patience for those who jump the gun and enter a tangent.

2. This conversation is about whether you/other Muslims consider it acceptable to kill those who leave Islam. Whether or not it is mandated in your religion is irrelevant to the world and society at large, what is relevant is whether your conscience finds it okay to kill someone because he/her found solace in a different religion.

3. If you want to talk about rape - you would be highly disappointed with the result of that conversation. Pakistan has a higher per capita rape than India. In case you do not understand what that means - That means per man, a Pakistani is more likely to and do commit rapes than an Indian. This despite being an 'Islamic Republic'.

And one more fact - in Pakistan, in the last 6 years, not a single person has been convicted for rape despite having so many rapes. You have no legal system at all.

Leave the talks of rape and all to Europeans and Americans. As a Pakistani, you stand on no ground.

 

[Dubious]

1. Before you ever reply to me, read the entire conversation before you start writing. I have no patience for those who jump the gun and enter a tangent.

Ok dont need to be soo touchy!

2. This conversation is about whether you/other Muslims consider it acceptable to kill those who leave Islam. Whether or not it is mandated in your religion, whether your conscience finds it okay to kill and whether or not you interfere in someone's personal faith.

I have already answered this with reference from a verse in the Quran...

3. If you want to talk about rape - you would be highly disappointed with the result of that conversation. Pakistan has a higher per capita rape than India. In case you do not understand what that means - That means per man, a Pakistani is more likely to and do commit rapes than an Indian.

I dont take people´s words for it...give me prove....

2ndly, About the disappointed bit that is disgusting to no extent maybe you are right I shouldnt talk to disgusting people who think comparing rape cases is a good measure of anything!

And one more fact - in Pakistan, in the last 6 years, not a single person has been convicted for rape despite having so many rapes. You have no legal system at all.

Glad to know you keep an eye on Pakistan....I have also already answered this try keeping an eye on the thread maybe!

Leave the talks of rape and all to Europeans and Americans. As a Pakistani, you stand on no ground.

Reported....When any Indian cant reply based on religion they jump on the country!

 

[Dubious]

Many younger imams are of the view that the Islam followed in India for example is not the real deal. The one followed in Saudi Arabia is more apt.

It is quite the opposite...It depends on which imam you pick up ...If you pick up the one from India answer is a maybe if you pick one from other parts of the World....the answer is many of the new converted people who are taking various courses have gained the upper hand as compared to any Saudi....

The overwhelming Indian population(including Muslim and otherwise) is strictly and totally opposed to such a view. Salafis for example number around 18 million in India. I honestly hope they cease to exist (by emigration preferably).

Yes the Indian Muslims are opposed to it coz like you said in your previous post....these people even after saying the Shahdah give preferences to culture....and then blame Islam if anything goes wrong (esp when they were following culture and wrapping it up with Islam)

 

[Jf Thunder]

No I am not a full time vala like you...I have work to do Its your hadith that you want to exploit so at least do the favour of finding it before throwing it around as a useful source!

..........Khala, i got a pretty good scolding from my other Khala too you know no need to scold me again.
and i am not vela, its just cuz of Holidays and end of sessionals.

BTW are first sessionals always so bad?

 

[Dubious]

people never really stopped doing mutaa.

That is kinda true sadly

When I say something, it is not based on ignorance but on proper knowledge, try to gain some.

Yes, that is why it is always wise to back what you say with proof....so that other can either investigate its source for further debate or accept it as it is

 

[Bratva]

Watch your tongue dude! Thats no way to reply!


It would be easier if you provided the source at least we can dissect it to see where you picked it up from and what its worth!

And also bring backings from History of this great calamity...

Thank you!

I'm going out, until I come back I will provide the source. The reason of exclusion was, IIRC, due to to different versions of Quran that existed at that time, once he found the anamoly, He excluded it.

And about great famine and plague, It's a well known incident during his era. You would find dozen of references on internet.

Islamic World: Hazrat Umar - The Second Caliph of Islam

 

[Dubious]

BTW are first sessionals always so bad?

What is sessionals?

 

[Dubious]

We don't make puppets here.

Just curious that Manmohan Singh guy didnt many ppl call him a puppet?