Changing times: Ijtihad and other questions Muslims must revisit

[Jf Thunder]

NO! Ancient Jewish tribes of Medina were expelled, massacred by the Muslims. Later Khyber wars led to more Jewish deaths. Read Jewish sources on that part of history to get the real picture. You cannot just read Muslim sources and say hey every Jew was happy living under prophet Muhammad (SAW) rule in Medina.
MEDINA - JewishEncyclopedia.com

those Jews rebelled against the state, which in today's world is also punishable by death, it was High treason, it had nothing to do with Islam or Judaism, they rebelled against the state of Madinah, the Jews broke the agreement also

 

[rockstar08]

for mulla Pakistan was build on the name of Islam , so it should be islamic State .. and for secular Pakistan should be a secular state .. in almost 70 year of independence we still failed to figure this out

 

[Norwegian]

because Pakistan IS an Islamic state, bring a Muslim to the post of PM in Israel, or a Muslim to the post of President in USA, or a Muslim in India? all countries are based on some religion, so Pakistan is and will remain the Islamic Republic Of Pakistan

I have already given you example of Obama. Many Arabs in Israeli Knesset (parliament) as well as Israeli Supreme Court:
List of Arab members of the Knesset - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Third President of India (Zakir Hussain) was a MUSLIM!
Zakir Hussain (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Jf Thunder]

I have already given you example of Obama. Many Arabs in Israeli Knesset (parliament) as well as Israeli Supreme Court:
List of Arab members of the Knesset - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Third President of India (Zakir Hussain) was a MUSLIM!
Zakir Hussain (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

fair enough for India.
but just like Israel, Pakistan is made on the basis of religion, so we have many non Muslim parliamentarians too.

 

[Zarvan]

SO Qaid-e-Azam was Abu Jahal because he advocated for a secular Pakistan?

Jinah never wanted secular Pakistan its Abu Juhals like you who want seculars Pakistan

 

[Norwegian]

those Jews rebelled against the state, which in today's world is also punishable by death, it was High treason, it had nothing to do with Islam or Judaism, they rebelled against the state of Madinah, the Jews broke the agreement also

Says who? Muslim sources? Jewish sources say otherwise. Now back to history and find out the real truth why only Jewish tribes were massacred and expelled for treachery.

for mulla Pakistan was build on the name of Islam , so it should be islamic State .. and for secular Pakistan should be a secular state .. in almost 70 year of independence we still failed to figure this out

That's because Pakistani politicians failed to implement Jinnah's Pakistan in practice. Jinnah's vision for Pakistan was secular with Islamic principles not Western. Pakistan was supposed to be Islamic Secular State not blind follower of Maulana Maududi's teachings.

 

[rockstar08]

Real Islam existed during the time of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) the four Caliphs and even to an extent some time after that

real islam was lost when we face first civil war , after the death of 3rd Caliph ..

 

[Zarvan]

I disagree. Post of the President or Prime Minister has NOTHING to do with the position holder's personal faith. Some say Barack Hussein Obama is crypto-Muslim. It doesn't make him a BAD president. If a Hindu, Christian or even Qadiani is capable of leading the country, why not give him / her a chance? Why do we HAVE to bring in the Islamic question here anyway?

In Islam it has because Islam is a system not just faith

 

[Norwegian]

fair enough for India.
but just like Israel, Pakistan is made on the basis of religion, so we have many non Muslim parliamentarians too.

Role of non-Muslim parliamentarians on reserved seats in Pakistani politics is non-existent. During lifetime of Jinnah, his cabinet had Hindu, Qadiani, even Christian ministers on top most posts. Same is not even close to today.

 

[Norwegian]

Jinah never wanted secular Pakistan its Abu Juhals like you who want seculars Pakistan

You have to prove it otherwise, you moron. Teach us some history. Jinnah's speeches clearly said secular Pakistan with Islamic principles.

 

[Judge]

i agree with you bro, but some state institutions are sensitive so they should remain with some Muslim, such as the President or Prime Minister, as for other posts such as judges, army personnel or police, no problem

I have already given you example of Obama. Many Arabs in Israeli Knesset (parliament) as well as Israeli Supreme Court:
List of Arab members of the Knesset - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Third President of India (Zakir Hussain) was a MUSLIM!
Zakir Hussain (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not just the third President.
The man who built India's Agni series of missiles is also a Muslim - and who also went on to become the most popular President of India -Dr. A.P.J Abdul Kalam.

He is also till date the only person after whom India's ballistic missiles have been named to honour him - the K series BM's. Otherwise all of India's BM's are named after elements of the earth - Agni, Prithvi, etc.

Apart from that the current head of India's IB(counter terrorism czar) is a Muslim.

Not to mention we have Sikh Army Chiefs(repeatedly) and Christian Airforce Chief's apart from a Sikh PM for 2 terms!

If you put succeed in building a country on nationalism, your people will rarely(if ever) disappoint you. I have zero doubts that a Hindu President of USA would work first for USA then think of anything else.

 

[rockstar08]

Says who? Muslim sources? Jewish sources say otherwise. Now back to history and find out the real truth why only Jewish tribes were massacred and expelled for treachery.


That's because Pakistani politicians failed to implement Jinnah's Pakistan in practice. Jinnah's vision for Pakistan was secular with Islamic principles not Western. Pakistan was supposed to be Islamic Secular State not blind follower of Maulana Maududi's teachings.

i probably think that Islam itself a secular way of living under limitation which is always in favor of strengthen the society... i am in favor of both secular and islam but everything if it remains under limits is good ...
your POV ?

 

[Norwegian]

In Islam it has because Islam is a system not just faith

Says blind follower of Maududi. Jinnah had no such totalitarian aspirations for Pakistan. Fool!

 

[Luffy 500]

Funny seculars who don't even perform salah wants to do ijtihad.

 

[rockstar08]

In Islam it has because Islam is a system not just faith

you didnt get his point ..... he is talking about that if a non muslim is capable of leading you , than its not bad ... there is no rule that the leader must be a muslim ... for example Hazrat Ali RA once said " kufr ka nizaam chal jaye ga , lakin zulum ka nizaam nai chale ga "
i am ready to live under a non muslim president instead of living in some lunatic mulla who knowledge about islam is similar to justin beiber knowledge about music