What's new

Challenging the Pakistani Army

hari sud

FULL MEMBER
Joined
Jul 22, 2012
Messages
359
Reaction score
-5
Country
India
Location
Canada
Here is the otherside view current confrontation between Pakistani Army, Pakistani Judiciary and the politicians.

It is definitely an eye openning view for the Pakistani intellegensia:


Tuesday, 13 November 2012


Challenging the Pakistan army

by Ajai Shukla

Business Standard, 13th Nov 12


The Pakistan Army’s overlordship of that country’s national security decision-making has scarred New Delhi’s engagement with Islamabad, undermining the dialogue between the two countries. In any discussions, India’s Team A only meets Pakistan’s Team B. After they finish talking, Pakistan’s Team A --- viz. the Pakistan Army, which wields a veto over everything the diplomats and bureaucrats have discussed --- rules on the outcome from General Headquarters (GHQ), Rawalpindi.


But that stranglehold is being challenged within Pakistan in tentative but unmistakable ways. Following President Asif Ali Zardari’s extended confrontations with the generals, now the judiciary has fired a broadside across the military’s bows. On Thursday, Pakistan’s Supreme Court issued its detailed verdict in the Air Chief Marshal (Retired) Asghar Khan case, in which it has ordered action against former army chief, General Mirza Aslam Beg, and his spymaster, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) head, Lieutenant General Asad Durrani, for funnelling Rs 14 crore to various political parties to rig the outcome of the 1990 elections.


Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, the battle-scarred campaigner who was instrumental in unseating President Pervez Musharraf, threw his full weight behind that verdict. After some TV news channels (a match in inanity for our own) reported that the Court Registrar had authored the judgment, the Supreme Court officially clarified that a three-judge bench headed by the chief justice himself had delivered it.


In its judgment on the case, which had remained a judicial hot potato since 1996, Justice Chaudhry enjoined soldiers to uphold the Constitution, even if he received orders from his seniors ordering otherwise. For the military, this must have sounded like, “Tell the general you’re not available for the coup.”


Such judicial strictures could not but provoke a military that is already under pressure from the media and from President Asif Ali Zardari. The president from the traditionally anti-military Pakistan People’s Party has repeatedly taken on the khakis (as Pakistani liberals disparagingly call the military), denting the army’s aura of omnipotence. Since 2008, when the Zardari government was forced to quickly withdraw a notification placing the ISI under the Interior Ministry, Zardari has grown steadily bolder. Last year he refused to back down in the so-called Memogate affair, when the military effectively accused Zardari of asking Washington for protection against a possible coup after Osama bin Laden was killed in Abbottabad. This after a fleeting moment of legislative oversight, when the military was forced to explain to parliament why it could not prevent US Special Forces from mounting a military operation in the Pakistani heartland.


Today the Pakistan military needs political cover from the government for military operations against the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province. The conservative opposition parties steadfastly refuse to back those operations. All this boosts Zardari’s confidence, already high after remaining in power for what could be an unprecedented five-year term, despite massed resistance from the judiciary, the military, his political foes and the jihadis.


Rattled by these potentially adverse political winds, the generals have warned all concerned to back off. On Nov 5, army chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani issued a statement through the Inter-Services Public Relations directorate, the military’s own PR agency, warning that, “All systems in Pakistan appear to be in a haste to achieve something, which can have both positive and negative implications. Let us take a pause and examine the two fundamental questions; One, are we promoting the rule of law and the Constitution? Two, are we strengthening or weakening the institutions? In the ultimate analysis, all of us would have served Pakistan better if history and our future generations judge us positively.”


For a country that understands well their military’s praetorian lexicon, the meaning of this profundity is clear: “Hold it, chums. We love democracy like you all do. But democracy does not mean that the institutions (the army) can be weakened. So back off!”


For the first sixty years of Pakistan’s history, such a statement from GHQ would have had every institution stepping back and issuing pro forma statements about the need to remain united to safeguard national security. But, in yet another sign of change, the Supreme Court’s retaliatory salvo came within three days, in the form of the detailed judgment.


This changing civil-military dynamic, which only the ideologically blinkered can fail to perceive, has not yet translated into any loosening of the Pakistani military’s absolute stranglehold over policy in four areas --- Kashmir, America, Afghanistan and China. Nevertheless, Pakistan’s polity, judiciary, civil society, clergy and jehadis are all increasingly willing to challenge the khakis. Nobody yet knows how this fascinating contest will play out as one side, then another, pushes back and flexes its muscles. But New Delhi must watch this power play carefully, keeping a safe distance from the participants it favours, because India’s approval is still the kiss of death in Pakistan.


India provides the generals with a useful raison d’etre. But for most Pakistanis America has long supplanted India as the top hate. As more Pakistani troops are diverted from the relatively peaceful border with India to the roiling badlands of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, the Pakistani soldier will also wonder where the real enemy lies. Now the structural trends in Pakistan raise the interesting possibility that the army’s opinions may increasingly have to parallel, not shape, the public’s.


Broadsword
 
. .
nonsense !!!!!!


does that mean indian politicians donot consult with army? try that at home.......

Consulting the army is one thing but the army telling the country that even their retired generals are off limits of Pakistani law is very offensive to people who want nothing but rule of law for Pakistan.
 
.
Short answer to the above mentioned low grade piece of vegeterian lies.

Gen Musharraf probably was closest to peace with India.
 
. .
What verbiage written by Pakistani's in reply to an excellent article.

Everyone with half a brain knows that a major tussle is happening between the Pakistani institutions. This article just lists it chronologically and analyzes it a little.
 
.
Consulting the army is one thing but the army telling the country that even their retired generals are off limits of Pakistani law is very offensive to people who want nothing but rule of law for Pakistan.

mutual understanding at this point, both the government and the military establishment wishes to have good relations with India, the article above is nonsense as the indian counterpart are trying to degrade Pakistani officials just to play a upper hand.

this is their diplomatic move, they move forward and then make such excuses to justify their stance, just to gain more out of negotiations...
 
.
In Pakistan, Pak Army is the King. You mess with Pak Army you mess with Pakistani People. You don't want to mess with Pakistani people. Trust me on this.

If I am not wrong We have done it before i.e in 1971, to be very concise and precise we have messed with Pakistani people before :P What's next ?
 
.
Arrogance without engaging the brains has been hallmark of Pakistan's existence. Pakistani Army is unlikely give up power and that has affected the welfare of its people. Its standard of living had been low since independence and it will continue to decline as others make progress.

Shame on the governing elite. It is them who feed the army with self serving support.
 
.
Sometimes Pakistani members' approach towards Pakistani Army seems like a case of Stockholm syndrome at a national scale :)
 
.
mutual understanding at this point, both the government and the military establishment wishes to have good relations with India, the article above is nonsense as the indian counterpart are trying to degrade Pakistani officials just to play a upper hand.

this is their diplomatic move, they move forward and then make such excuses to justify their stance, just to gain more out of negotiations...

No this is out of past experiences, a lot of initiatives have been vetoed when the PA has put its foot down, unofficially its a known fact that the PA owns the foriegn policy rights when it comes to India matters.

Only if India could acheive a direct channel with the PA top brass, things would be much smoother, this movement towards peace initiatives are also by directions given by the PA.

The Pak judiciary is out to undermine PA's authority indirectly...interesting times lie ahead in internal politics of Pakistan...my bet is on the PA coming out as the winner in the end.
 
.
No this is out of past experiences, a lot of initiatives have been vetoed when the PA has put its foot down, unofficially its a known fact that the PA owns the foriegn policy rights when it comes to India matters.

Only if India could acheive a direct channel with the PA top brass, things would be much smoother, this movement towards peace initiatives are also by directions given by the PA.

The Pak judiciary is out to undermine PA's authority indirectly...interesting times lie ahead in internal politics of Pakistan...my bet is on the PA coming out as the winner in the end.

rhetoric nonsense extracted from a nonsense article in reply to a post that contained the answer.... sho !!
 
.
rhetoric nonsense extracted from a nonsense article in reply to a post that contained the answer.... sho !!

:lol: sorry forgot about the conspiracy theory angle that normally goes around as an answer...carry on.
 
. .
Back
Top Bottom