CAS Mujahid Anwar: Whatever capabilities the IAF acquires, PAF will match it

[TheTallGuy]

With the exception of the newly introduced AESA Radar, I think the highlighted in red are the points that are of more interest.

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Ask @messiach good old RD93 should be producing 21K+ Wet Thrust with tweeks done.

 

[Trailer23]

Why would they? They have money than they will go for F16s

You say that with such certainty.

Has it been made Public by the PAF?

Has the or the Government of Pakistan or Lockheed Martin given any indications of interest?

Even with a poker face, you can't bluff if we truly have the funds for a Block 70/72 and/or used Vipers - which all come with Terms & Conditions in form of End-User Agreement.

I know there are some here (on PDF) that have deep links within the PAF and usually get the inside scoop on a number of things. But here is where I stand on Foreign Fighters. I'll believe it when I there is a Official Press Release by the PAF or LM.

The US will definitely take notice. It will most probable pressurize Pakistan to not spend more on defence via the IMF.

The IMF Loans are already being paid off. Besides, the IMF Loans aren't used on Defense. When I said, "...take notice", I meant get their undivided attention.

The United States can't stop Pakistan from acquiring any jets from China.

Ask @messiach good old RD93 should be producing 21K+ Wet Thrust with tweeks done.

Hard Points, IRST, G's...

Look, the Block III will be a great aircraft, but overall the J-10 is as you mentioned earlier - is in the same class as the F-16.

 

[TheTallGuy]

@The Eagle @NA71 @Trailer23

I dont understand why it such a taboo that we cant be talking about J20 induction in PAF. why are we stuck at J10 or F16.

We already are up-to our neck with commitment in Project AZM aka J31 Mod II which is only possible because of PRC and even a single squadron of J20A with WS10E engine would provide PAF a silver bullet and ample experience of operating a 5th Gen fighter till AZM goes active. after all we are required to start from somewhere.

Please if we have JY27 radars from PRC then surely 2 x systems are in process of induction J20 & HQ9 it is the most to cost effective way to achieve parity in shortest amount of time and "Severely down grades enemies will to fight" and provide PAF capacity to hunt inside enemy territories thier force multipliers.

F-35 & India is a non-starter.

 

[StormBreaker]

@The Eagle @NA71 @Trailer23

I dont understand why it such a taboo that we cant be talking about J20 induction in PAF. why are we stuck at J10 or F16.

We already are up-to our neck with commitment in Project AZM aka J31 Mod II which is only possible because of PRC and even a single squadron of J20A with WS10E engine would provide PAF a silver bullet and ample experience of operating a 5th Gen fighter till AZM goes active. after all we are required to start from somewhere.

Please if we have JY27 radars from PRC then surely 2 x systems are in process of induction J20 & HQ9 it is the most to cost effective way to achieve parity in shortest amount of time and "Severely down grades enemies will to fight" and provide PAF capacity to hunt inside enemy territories thier force multipliers.

F-35 & India is a non-starter.

I always had a belief that sooner or later, that is when S-400 gets inducted, J-20s might become a common sight in Pakistan in PAF colors, even in very small numbers.

This will checkmate all of India’s big ticket attempts to try to achieve superiority in terms of offense and defense.

The only issue is, another arms race will be created and F-35 might be offered to them...

But then again, getting F-35 will have similar issues to rafale negotiations both internal and in terms of costs and tot.

 

[TheTallGuy]

I always had a belief that sooner or later, that is when S-400 gets inducted, J-20s might become a common sight in Pakistan in PAF colors, even in very small numbers.

This will checkmate all of India’s big ticket attempts to try to achieve superiority in terms of offense and defense.

The only issue is, another arms race will be created and F-35 might be offered to them...

But then again, getting F-35 will have similar issues to rafale negotiations both internal and in terms of costs and tot.

add to this Project azm aka J31 mod II is also touted to be 5th Gen Fighter so F35 scare will be there sooner then later..PAF will get by J20 effective lead in experience on chinese 5th Gen tech and application...i wonder how many PAF pilots that are capable to handle a 5th gen fighter and its applications.

 

[Trailer23]

I dont understand why it such a taboo that we cant be talking about J20 induction in PAF. why are we stuck at J10 or F16.

I don't like day dreaming about anything that hasn't been offered on a silver platter.

Its beneath me.

I don't think there is a single Pakistani PDF Member who wouldn't mind seeing the J-20 or the Y-20 in the PAF inventory, but the question is..., is China offering?

I fantasize about getting rid of my 1.6 litre shitbox for a Infiniti QX30, but that doesn't mean i'll get it. So why even bring it up.

 

[StormBreaker]

add to this Project azm aka J31 mod II is also touted to be 5th Gen Fighter so F35 scare will be there sooner then later..PAF will get by J20 effective lead in experience on chinese 5th Gen tech and application...i wonder how many PAF pilots that are capable to handle a 5th gen fighter and its applications.

I think NONE of our pilots at the moment have flown J-20.
But that won’t remain same for long, this i do know. CAC is the mother of 3 projects of 3 categories, each learning from the other. JF-17 experience has been a help for J-10B/C as well as J-20 and vice versa.

I doubt that AZM would be some J-31 mod, coz if that happens then i am already disappointed... There should be a YF-23 type extremely low RCS design for AZM for it to sustain in PAF for long, as far as 2060 although advancements in tech can outdate any tech of era suddenly but still we need a project that can sustain for long and stay useful.

 

[khanasifm]

Ask @messiach good old RD93 should be producing 21K+ Wet Thrust with tweeks done.

No need to show wipedia info OEM specs are available and j-10 and jf not much differ in speed and range ;

 

[TheTallGuy]

I don't like day dreaming about anything that hasn't been offered on a silver platter.

Its beneath me.

I don't think there is a single Pakistani PDF Member who wouldn't mind seeing the J-20 or the Y-20 in the PAF inventory, but the question is..., is China offering?

I fantasize about getting rid of my 1.6 litre shitbox for a Infiniti QX30, but that doesn't mean i'll get it. So why even bring it up.

brother i goes both ways..F-16V, Typhoons & what not...that is day dreaming...J20A with WS10E is not. after all $56billion investment is also not a dream but a reality.

 

[Trailer23]

I always had a belief that sooner or later, that is when S-400 gets inducted...
...another arms race will be created and F-35 might be offered to them...

If the S-400 gets inducted, there will be no possibility of an F-35 being offered.

Our Turkish brothers are the perfect example & their a present/current NATO ally.

 

[StormBreaker]

I don't like day dreaming about anything that hasn't been offered on a silver platter.

Its beneath me.

I don't think there is a single Pakistani PDF Member who wouldn't mind seeing the J-20 or the Y-20 in the PAF inventory, but the question is..., is China offering?

I fantasize about getting rid of my 1.6 litre shitbox for a Infiniti QX30, but that doesn't mean i'll get it. So why even bring it up.

Get a second hand maxima 2k14 shape 3.6 for around 25-28k AED buddy.

If the S-400 gets inducted, there will be no possibility of an F-35 being offered.

Our Turkish brothers are the perfect example & their a present/current NATO ally.

Turkey is a different example.
Although thanks for reminding, this thought, you are right in that.

S-400 and F-35 in close coverage will be a bad day for uncle sam and win win for Putin baba.

Business priorities might change such pre requisites in future who knows...

 

[TheTallGuy]

I doubt that AZM would be some J-31 mod, coz if that happens then i am already disappointed... There should be a YF-23 type extremely low RCS design for AZM for it to sustain in PAF for long, as far as 2060 although advancements in tech can outdate any tech of era suddenly but still we need a project that can sustain for long and stay useful.

Do you seriously think that Project AZM will be a clean sheet design? Brother, We do not have a proper R&D and industrial base to pull this off...I would say basing it on J31 or modified form of J31 can be become a reality other then that its non-sense.

 

[Zapper]

I dont understand why it such a taboo that we cant be talking about J20 induction in PAF. why are we stuck at J10 or F16

Didn't the Chinese plan J-20 on the lines of F-22 Raptor and J-31 similar to F-35. Y'all have better chances of acquiring the J-31 instead of J-20 which is also cost effective

 

[TheTallGuy]

Didn't the Chinese plan J-20 on the lines of F-22 Raptor

are you serious!

 

[StormBreaker]

Didn't the Chinese plan J-20 on the lines of F-22 Raptor and J-31 similar to F-35. Y'all have better chances of acquiring the J-31 instead of J-20 which is also cost effective

China has massive investment in Pakistan, protection of such critical investment in highly threatened regions (during war) is the top priority and hence anything can come.

It’s not that J-20 is some mumbo jumbo magic or something, China can if they want, impose some TST sort of end user agreement as they know how sincere we are to US with regards to protection of F-16s from Chinese.

5th Gen tech will become a common standard sooner so there won’t be much to hide of J-20/F-22