CAS Mujahid Anwar: Whatever capabilities the IAF acquires, PAF will match it

[TheTallGuy]

Radars don't work on IR signature. For that you have IRST.

Which radars do you have that are rated to track and target missiles travelling at mach 3.

CIWS are short range. At that point the brahmos takes evasive measures.

Pantsir missile system

 

[Mentee]

Hi, contact the three services head quarters they may give you the full lay out - - - - - - -.

Radars don't work on IR signature. For that you have IRST.

Which radars do you have that are rated to track and target missiles travelling at mach 3.

CIWS are short range. At that point the brahmos takes evasive measures.

Pantsir missile system

Hey mate you don't have to answer to every query made from across the border. Anything you say will be used against you in the battle field.

 

[Trailer23]

all i know is 76 F-16s we have willl remain 76 and retire at 76

Okay, if that scenario is true, then we're pretty much out of short-term options.

Lets leave the JF-17 aside for the moment & know full well that Project AZM is a good decade away (minimum) before making it into the inventory.

What're our options?

The obvious... J-10(C/E).

Is PAF calling the US's bluff. Lets say the PAF put up a Tender & give indications that they're going for the J-10's. In your opinion, do you think/believe that the US may take notice to it & pounce with an offer for Vipers?

 

[Basel]

PAF is already expecting headaches originating from Spectra. Anyone who undermines it, is just not being professional.

There is reason that our military is giving EW capabilities importance.

Once "Shahpar" is inducted/Revealed. then finally "Hypnosis" of F16 will be over and new "Love" will be born! among the Fans!



Sir, I heard we can shoot down the incoming BMs by BVR missiles of fighters if placed & employed properly...but Brahmos...there is nothing we just have to ride it out. then give 1 is to 5 response.

Brahmos is Tactical! Unitary HE warhead

Brahmos is potent threat but if we use 5G and very fast data processing from detection, identification to tracking and engagement (very potential NCW) with good tactics and deployment. then even with current assets will be able to shoot down good numbers of enemy fired missiles.

 

[TheTallGuy]

What're our options?

The obvious... J-10(C/E).

sir, J10C/E and F-16 are same class. if you give importance to AESA then KLJ7A in Block 3 should be at par with J10CE Radar...then PAF is left with the silver bullet.

Brahmos is potent threat but if we use 5G and very fast data processing from detection, identification to tracking and engagement (very potential NCW) with good tactics and deployment. then even with current assets will be able to shoot down good numbers of enemy fired missiles.

Insha Allah!

Is PAF calling the US's bluff. Lets say the PAF put up a Tender & give indications that they're going for the J-10's. In your opinion, do you think/believe that the US may take notice to it & pounce with an offer for Vipers?

They already know the ship has sailed.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Lets say the PAF put up a Tender & give indications that they're going for the J-10's.

Why would they? They have money than they will go for F16s

 

[syed_yusuf]

in my opinion,

PAF should go for modified j-20 with ws-15 TVC and additional enclosed HP's. go for 3 -4 squadrons to shut up IAf till AZM takes over for 1:1 replacement for blk1 JFT and F-16.

lesser option could be to go for minimum 4 squadrons of j-10d. yes j-10d....

rafel is a real challenge that should be answered.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

in my opinion,

PAF should go for modified j-20 with ws-15 TVC and additional enclosed HP's. go for 3 -4 squadrons to shut up IAf till AZM takes over for 1:1 replacement for blk1 JFT and F-16.

lesser option could be to go for minimum 4 squadrons of j-10d. yes j-10d....

rafel is a real challenge that should be answered.

J 20 will make USA give F35 to India

 

[KhanBaba2]

Pantsir missile system

When did you get that.

J 20 will make USA give F35 to India

No F35 for us as we are getting the S400.

Is PAF calling the US's bluff. Lets say the PAF put up a Tender & give indications that they're going for the J-10's. In your opinion, do you think/believe that the US may take notice to it & pounce with an offer for Vipers?

The US will definitely take notice. It will most probable pressurize Pakistan to not spend more on defence via the IMF.

 

[PakGuns]

Oh really?
Whats our Rafale's anwer? JF 17 Blk 3?? Are we seriously comparing a medium weight fighter with our light weight fighter?
What about India inducting more Mig29UPGs+SU 30 MKIs+Tejas?
We are just inducting JF 17s thats too in limited numbers
Ok What about SU 30MKI and Brahmos Super sonic ALCM with range b/w 450-600km?
We dont have a Supersonic ALCM


What about Mig29UPGs+SU 30 MKIs+Tejas which are being inducted?

that means maintenance nightmare... lol

 

[TOPGUN]

When did you get that.



No F35 for us as we are getting the S400.



The US will definitely take notice. It will most probable pressurize Pakistan to not spend more on defence via the IMF.

Panstir Missile System if not in service already will be in service soon you need to do a lot of reading up !!

 

[Caprxl]

Correct Who Knows! but Why?

Simple,
the resources we have put in Vipers, the infrastructure, tech guys, boys who fly em, years of experience. Why would we let it go just like that??

Azm is atleast 15 years down the line, plus you cannot add it in large numbers (just look Chinese & Europeans/US), 4.5 Gen fighters will be here for a long time and especially in South Asia scenario. They will accompany 5th Gen for a foreseeable future.

So why will you not procure more Vipers (if you can) to increase your 4.5th Gen fighters, operating of which you have decades of experience & excellence? Have invested so much over the years.

Until & unless USA completely kick us out, even stop our support programs for current fleet & other procured weapon systems, regard us same as likes of China & Russia in terms of Defense sales, we will go for the vipers ( already procured defence systems , not the new ones that i agree with you).

If we have something that is better technologically/Effective as as weapon system. There is new confidence that has developed after last year on Chinese tech...it has been combat proven. why we loved F-16s because it was combat proven & effective. heck we had LFK601 experiment in live/combat situation.

I agree with you here, in all my opinion of having more Vipers i never meant that Thunder/Chinese EW is not upto par, in fact i agree they have proven themselves & much more is there which is not open to public. I expect a lot from upcoming blocks of Thunder along with AESA & other Chinese EW BUT does it mean if we get a chance we dont get Turkish EW or upgrade our US weapons n get new one??

Conclusion:

Again i will repeat, if Pakistan can get new Vipers along upgrading old ones, go for it; DIVERSIFICATION & INNOVATION is a great thing.

 

[The Eagle]

When did you get that.

Not just that but we are inducting star trek tech as well.

PAF should go for modified j-20 with ws-15 TVC and additional enclosed HP's. go for 3 -4 squadrons

J 20 will make USA give F35 to India

Can we just try to be realistic please? Since we set such high yet irrelevant hopes that becomes the reason of our anger sometimes against PAF to bash them just that our wishes couldn't be fulfilled. I really hope that we can stay on track and discuss real time scenarios in view of available options becoming part of service.

They already know the ship has sailed.

Allegedly knowing that the time for Vipers, has gone is far more different than the capability of platform which is unquestionable. Having said that, PAF has vast experience with F-16s and there is less to spend upon infrastructure to welcome V+AESA as compare to have a new platform which will need more of years of induction, tactics building, familiarity and above all the cost going manifolds. Diversification is the key here that PAF maintains for decades thus employing advance tactics having hands on platforms from East & West both. Until the AZM becomes reality, such mix will pay on any day in air warfare. Imagine we are operating F-16s (US), JF-17 Thunder (home built) J-10 (China) & Mirages (France) while we are planning to grow Thunder Block-III at par of 4th Gen and yet we have a mountain task of AZM as well.... and then just look at the size of pocket and money within. In our case, not just the acquiring a new platform needs more of diplomatic work but also, we do have limited resources/economy as well.

 

[Path-Finder]

From the top of my head as to what PAF might do:

1. PAF would launch A2A or G2A missiles at the incoming Brahmos, as the Brahmos massive IR signature would light up all of PAF's radars, would be relatively straight forward to guide a response at the Missile. Decision making and speed would be most effective here.
2. Radar controlled Air Defence Guns
3. A modern CIWS Phalanx has IR detection sensors, and can fire 4500 round per minute

This is just something from the top of my head. There is a reason why the US abandoned supersonic missiles, because they couldn't fly low and hug the terrain to avoid radar detection.

Pantsir!!

 

[KhanBaba2]

Not just that but we are inducting star trek tech as well.

I like it when moderators are reduced to trolling.

Panstir Missile System if not in service already will be in service soon you need to do a lot of reading up !!

Ok. Give me something to read. Not rumors.