CAS Mujahid Anwar: Whatever capabilities the IAF acquires, PAF will match it

[Pakistani Fighter]

I think PAF is betting on upgrading block 52 with block 70 and AMRAAM Ds. This is the only logical short term option.

AIM 120Ds are very expensive. Why not upgrade non MLU Block 15s to block 70s?

 

[The Accountant]

AIM 120Ds are very expensive. Why not upgrade non MLU Block 15s to block 70s?

Might not give enough return due to lesser life of airframe.

 

[Basel]

So you have nothing against the Brahmos.

If we couldn't counter Brahmos then India would have attacked us with those. India knows that it will have huge consequences.

 

[Xestan]

Recently met a few retired PAF high ranking officers, including one of our forum's favourite fighter pilots. They are all of the view (off the record) that AMRAAMs are more than enough to match up with Meteor threat.

 

[TheTallGuy]

@Syed Hammad Ahmed

F-16 Option is dead...PAF has moved forward.

@KhanBaba2
Firing Brahmos is easy! but what will be the repercussions...this is the specific reason Your PM was not able to use it.

 

[aliyusuf]

So you have nothing against the Brahmos.

You numskulls are enough counter measures we require.

 

[KhanBaba2]

You numskulls are enough counter measures we require.

Then why buy anything. You don't need the F-16 or JF-17 if you know we are numskull.

 

[The Eagle]

F-16 Option is dead...PAF has moved forward.

I wouldn't hesitate to shed some careful yet interesting insight on this.

 

[dilpakistani]

After watching DCS fights and reading about the long range aerial engagements i think calling meteor a game changer is highly overrating it. It's a great add-on but not necessarily the one which can change the war picture. IAF will release the weapon couple of miles early which still can be defeated after firing SD-10 and going cold in to lower atmosphere.

 

[KhanBaba2]

Firing Brahmos is easy! but what will be the repercussions...this is the specific reason Your PM was not able to use it.

When someone says "Whatever capabilities the IAF acquires, PAF will match it", he is already talking in terms of war and not in terms of a skirmish. So the repercussions are not going to change depending on usage of Brahmos.

 

[SIPRA]

You numskulls are enough counter measures we require.

I don't know, how India would ensure that the Brahmos, fired by them, doesn't hit something within India.

 

[The Accountant]

I wouldn't hesitate to shed some careful yet interesting insight on this.

kindly share

Yup like the repercussions you witnessed on Feb 27th.

Everyone knows we have no issues in short skirmishes which we proved on various occasions be it Kargil of 27th Feb. The real issue is finidng a long battle which we cant afford due to relatively smaller war reserves and smaller economy. You can try small skirmishes and you will always get much stronger reply .

When someone says "Whatever capabilities the IAF acquires, PAF will match it", he is already talking in terms of war and not in terms of a skirmish. So the repercussions are not going to change depending on usage of Brahmos.

 

[StormBreaker]

My dear brothers @Caprxl @Trailer23 @kursed

Was going through this whole thread just to find all sorts of misconceptions and delusions of our fellow members as well as poor thinking in some terms !!

Some observations and my take

- GRIPPEN : Grippen is and never was a feasible and productive solution when Thunder program is already ON and only an infant might think of such !!! Just the western “TAG” mindset leads many to take any over-hyped platforms superior to what we COULD POSSIBLY do ourselves sooner and that sooner is definitely in terms of Block 3 as well as better in terms of Block 4.

- Rafale And China : India is not and will never go to war with China, write that and teach that to your generations. Rafales were always meant for Pakistan and india can never try to come half closer to China’s military might. Expect rafales to be stationed away from Pakistan but close to us during heated times.

- ‘Aerial ONLY counter’ stigma :
Air warfare and counter is a highly complex scenario. SAMs, EW warfare and special crafts, All have their roles. Days are over when aircraft for aircraft mentality actually mattered. PAF as well as PN have proved themselves quite excellent in this area and expect them to build up even more in this. India oversees the potential of this capability and only cares for numbers UNTIL NOW

- RAFALE WITHOUT METEOR = JFT B3

Nope, wrong call !!! First of, we don’t know the specs of B3 and specifically EW Capabilities. Rafale is not just a BVR threat, it is a highly potent EW threat as well as WVR threat. One can oversee US, China, Russia, Italian capabilities but French are not ordinary like all of them, they know what they do and they are best at that !!! Never underestimate the French capabilities and SPECTRA EW is not some small boy in a park.

- Procurements

Expect much more interest in EW equipments as well as highly capable SAMs and Links.
Fighters, Block 3 should be in numbers nothing less than 100 with a plan for Block 4 and further totaling a thunder fleet to 500+.

Second approach should be to as well procure Block 70 and V upgrades as you can get them very much and will be a direct answer to Rafale. This isn’t impossible and i think this is in works already.

Least probable scenario involves inevitable threat of conflict with PAF GOING off the shelf for J-10Cs 3-4 Squadrons

 

[The Eagle]

kindly share

I was actually asking @TheTallGuy to share some detail.

 

[aliyusuf]

Then why buy anything. You don't need the F-16 or JF-17 if you know we are numskull.

To shoot down those flying show ponies that the IAF have ... lest their buffoonery cause some innocent civilian or crow their lives either side of the border.