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Capitalism is failing us all. Could Islamic economics be the answer?

There is up to 50% income tax in the capitalist economy. If you consider that most people's greatest asset - their house - is zakat free, how on earth do you think 2.5% tax on assets will be enough to run a country?

99% of people will pay much less tax under the zakat system. A man with £1m of assets will pay 25000 PA, how is that supposed to fund civil infrastructure? Police, schools, army, healthcare etc?

Zakat is the right of the poor and it should be kept as a separate matter from the state economy. It's lazy thinking to believe zakat alone can substitute the modern tax system.
 
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what you mean by we sir ? as i know we are 74 years old nation and we never seen a rise yet
Brother 70, 80 years is nothing for a nation. It takes centuries for civilizations to rise and then fall again.
It took USA a revolutionary war and then a civil war almost 100 years later to reach the state it is in today.
It took China atleast 150 years to rise again.
Every rise has a fall and every fall has a rise.
Have faith and don't lose hope.
 
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@Reddington @Verve @war&peace @Imran Khan @zulu

Friends,

The fundamental question is Creation of Money.

Do you create money as debt?

Or Do you create money as credit?

Herein lies the difference. The current economic disaster in hyper-capitalism is that it has created so much debt that it can never be repaid... furthermore, the coming pensions crisis is going to create a great social upheavel... that is why people have started talking about Universal income in the west...

So far people have subsidised the West by buying their debt... first through T-bonds then Euro bonds... also keeping their currencies artificiallly low... PKR recent devaluation is a prime example... at current rate the PKR is undervalued. Hence the inflation and interests are a bit too high.
Of course there is an organised campaing by #CriminalEnterprise to manipulate the market through media and political mafia.

Quesiton: How can be Universal Human Rights when for the same job in PK one is paid peanuts and in the West far far more?

At the current state of affairs system is unsustainable ... neither State Directed Capitalism (China) or Neo-liberal Hypercapitalism of the west... both have unpayable debts on their books.

These debts are shown as assets on the books to create more debt thus creating an artificial bubble which will burst.

2008 Crisis is not over... it was just contained through QEs and Helicopter Money... currently ECB and Feds have too much on their books as assets.... please, remember that not all debt is redeemable... hence the crisis in slow motion.

A global conflict can restart the system once again... so there is always danger of great war.

Please, study WW1 and WW2...

Unless there is an economic system based on Human Dignity.... Human Rights can never exist.

Regards,

Mangus
 
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also keeping their currencies artificiallly low... PKR recent devaluation is a prime example... at current rate the PKR is undervalued. Hence the inflation and interests are a bit too high.

What do you estimate the true value of the PKR to be, given the underlying Pakistani economy?
 
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What do you estimate the true value of the PKR to be, given the underlying Pakistani economy?


Fluctuation limits between PKR 115 and 125. Interest rates between 8,5% to 10%.

Ban on money traders... no foreign currency allowed outside of the banking system... money changes banned and required to demonstrate the source of their money. Ban dollar /foreign currency trading interabank or private companies.

No cash under the pillow in foreign currency. PKR can run the black economy for now. Make it a crime to have foreign currency outside of the banking system. No Cash.

This will stop money laundering also between AF and Pak. Everything through banks for foreign currency nothing in private hands...

You will be surprised how much liquid assets will become available for the state. But for that you need to close the border with AF and give customs duty to the army till the crisis is over.

This required national security level action... it is not possible for IK gov to do it alone. All stakeholders of the State must act on this.
 
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This required national security level action... it is not possible for IK gov to do it alone. All stakeholders of the State must act on this.

But surely all stakeholders see the importance of what you suggest. What might be stopping them from following your suggestions?
 
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Do you create money as debt?

World economy cash/currency is multiples of the actual world production. That itself is a major disaster in waiting but house of cards is kept stable for now with regular planned blowouts. Worthless paper and even more worthless digitally created currency we are all chasing.

Debt is owed to a few, the powerful. Every economic bust takes wealth out of hands of the weak into the hands of poor. That's Capitalism by design.
 
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But surely all stakeholders see the importance of what you suggest. What might be stopping them from following your suggestions?



#CriminalEnterprise from IK cabinet to FinMin informers to SBP.... the opposition i.e. political instablity and compromised media...

In the end Pak State has to decide for how long it is going to remain distant and neutral... Q2-Q3 are most critical for Pak National Security.... debt maturity and payables must be redeemed....

For now the State is just focusing on borders... the entire State...not just the Armed Forces...

One thing is for sure.. Pak won't default. This can never be allowed.

Time to introduce Economic Terrorism Act in the defunct parliment... it won't get passed but it needs to be tabled.

They can try to move in through asset disclosuer scheme...IK gov wants to introduce... let us see how it pans out.

But they need to treat it as national emergency/disaster... and act ruthlessly. As a result IK will loose his government because the allies will get fried as well along with some in his party.
 
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#CriminalEnterprise from IK cabinet to FinMin informers to SBP.... the opposition i.e. political instablity and compromised media...

In the end Pak State has to decide for how long it is going to remain distant and neutral... Q2-Q3 are most critical for Pak National Security.... debt maturity and payables must be redeemed....

For now the State is just focusing on borders... the entire State...not just the Armed Forces...

One thing is for sure.. Pak won't default. This can never be allowed.

Time to introduce Economic Terrorism Act in the defunct parliment... it won't get passed but it needs to be tabled.

They can try to move in through asset disclosuer scheme...IK gov wants to introduce... let us see how it pans out.

But they need to treat it as national emergency/disaster... and act ruthlessly. As a result IK will loose his government because the allies will get fried as well along with some in his party.

I will wait for their policies to pan out. Interesting thoughts you have .......
 
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#CriminalEnterprise from IK cabinet to FinMin informers to SBP.... the opposition i.e. political instablity and compromised media...

In the end Pak State has to decide for how long it is going to remain distant and neutral... Q2-Q3 are most critical for Pak National Security.... debt maturity and payables must be redeemed....

For now the State is just focusing on borders... the entire State...not just the Armed Forces...

One thing is for sure.. Pak won't default. This can never be allowed.

Time to introduce Economic Terrorism Act in the defunct parliment... it won't get passed but it needs to be tabled.

They can try to move in through asset disclosuer scheme...IK gov wants to introduce... let us see how it pans out.

But they need to treat it as national emergency/disaster... and act ruthlessly. As a result IK will loose his government because the allies will get fried as well along with some in his party.

Sir, I really hope someone is taking notes of your posts!!
 
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@Mangus Ortus Novem :toast_sign: excellent insights

It is an interesting topic one which merits to be made sticky.
@mods can we please make this thread sticky, it's a very important topic

Recently I decided to pursue a doctorate in economics and the topic I have chosen is Islamic Economics. I don't claim and never will that I have the complete alternate to capitalist economy. Not even Dr. M Iqbal's (Allama Iqbal) book of 1906 addresses all the issues.

See every profession in order to make it exclusive and feel important they create technical jargons, Islamic finance is no exception a whole new dictionary was created, this created a communication barrier. Those who understand Islamic Finance (if there is one honestly) have never best of the communication experts, those who are experts in commutation in the Islamic world cannot develop a through understanding of Islamic Finance that's why we were/are not able to sell to the world as an alternate way to manage economy one which is centered around wealth circulation rather than creation of wealth through debt.

One of the best example is Akhuwat Model a.k.a Dr. Amjad Saqib, more on it later.
 
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there is no such thing as islamic economy
You are right in the sense that it doesn't exist anymore. Historically it has existed and it was successful.

Islamic economy is based on the same principles of trade, but prohibits interest, speculative trading, and focuses on fair pricing.

There is up to 50% income tax in the capitalist economy. If you consider that most people's greatest asset - their house - is zakat free, how on earth do you think 2.5% tax on assets will be enough to run a country?

99% of people will pay much less tax under the zakat system. A man with £1m of assets will pay 25000 PA, how is that supposed to fund civil infrastructure? Police, schools, army, healthcare etc?

Zakat is the right of the poor and it should be kept as a separate matter from the state economy. It's lazy thinking to believe zakat alone can substitute the modern tax system.

What gave you the impression that zakat is or should be the only form of taxation in an Islamic economy?
 
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Capitalism is failing us all. Could Islamic economics be the answer?

last updated: 16/04/2019 - 18:10
By Muhammed Yesilhark

Opinions expressed in View articles are solely those of the authors.


Billionaire Ray Dalio, manager of the world's largest hedge fund Bridgewater, recently shocked the world when he announced that "capitalism is failing" and that a "revolution" is coming.

There is no denying that global inequality is at unsustainable levels, and that interest-based economies are no longer fit for purpose (in many countries interest rates are too low to incentivise saving at all).


I believe that Islamic economics, with its 2.5% zakat wealth tax (and much lower taxes in other areas) might give us a clue on how to eliminate the worst social inequality. And with a prohibition of abusive high-interest businesses and the incentivisation away from interest-based savings accounts, it can reinvigorate the global economy. These are not just Islamic economic concepts; these are universalist traditional Abrahamic ethics, and a common sense way for us all to enjoy a truly free market.


"Once we strip away the Arabic terminology, concepts like zakat can return our economies to the common sense-based, transparent and equitable set up that the architects of modern capitalism envisaged".
Muhammed Yesilhark

Philanthropist


Dalio’s statements matter, not only because of how strongly worded they are but also because of how topical they are in today’s news climate. They are significant because of who Dalio is, that is to say probably the most successful hedge fund manager in the world. One of my colleagues commented last week that this was the equivalent of the Pope declaring that Catholicism is failing.

Dalio’s words are perhaps more shocking because they violate one of the most sacred unwritten rules of the global rich: you’re not allowed to criticise capitalism if you have benefited hugely from it. Protest - or even displeasure - with the system is a luxury only the poor can afford. It’s normal to see cleaners, or even Uber drivers, angry at inequality. It is less normal to see the world’s wealthiest publicly stating that the order to which they owe their success is “not providing the American Dream.”

The “no protest for the rich” rule has led billionaires to channel their sense of responsibility, frustration or even guilt into philanthropy. This means that we seldom have the wealthy discuss these issues, let alone the root causes from which these problems arise. Those root causes go deeper than many of us realise and addressing them will mean re-examining not only our economics, but our politics and values.

Most of us want a societal order where there isn’t a huge vacuum between the classes. Unfortunately, this gap keeps widening as “casino capitalism” and high interest consumer products entrench divisions.

To create societies where there is mutual respect and compassion, we need an environment of reconciliation between the elites and the masses. The only way to achieve this is through a wealth tax such as the payment of zakat - one of the pillars of Islam - and an effective tool in addressing our current issues. But first, to reform a failing capitalism, we need to fix two things: taxation and the interest rate system. Taxation is easier (and far less left field) to critique since there is an emerging consensus that the global tax system simply no longer works. Through a combination of tax avoidance schemes, tax havens and even relatively innocent methods like transfer pricing, high net worth individuals and their corporations have very little (if any) tax to pay on their wealth. In the absence of effective wealth taxes, governments have no choice but to enforce taxes that perhaps unfairly target the poor, like sales tax and inheritance tax. The injustice of some of these taxes further normalises tax avoidance and polarises society even more.

Critiquing the interest rate system is more controversial. Most people feel that possessing money has some inherent value that should be recognised in a zero (or almost zero) risk way. But with negative interest rates spreading around in the developed world, interest rates are so low in many countries that they simply do not fulfil their purpose of incentivising consumers to save any longer. In short, as Deutsche Bank’s Jim Reid titled his research report last year, we might be witnessing “The Start of the End of Fiat Money.”

Therefore, our current fiat-based monetary system might require a rethink. After all, in the grand scheme of global economic history, it can still be considered an experiment as the vast majority of human history was based on gold and silver-backed sound money. Current proponents of digital currencies (such as so-called Bitcoin maximalists) are proposing a new form of supra-national sound money based on maths - quasi-“digital gold” for the globalised world.

Islamic economics, on the other hand, can give us clues to solve both these issues. Zakat, or Islamic alms, is a simple, transparent annual wealth tax of 2.5%. Let’s only consider tax havens, where estimated wealth of $10 trillion is held around the world. That means if zakat was paid on these funds (perhaps as some kind of amnesty agreement), there would be $25 billion per year flowing into the world’s poorest areas and worthiest causes.

At the same time, other taxes could be reduced or eliminated. In return for the wealth tax, Islamic economics suggests almost zero tax in every other area, including inheritance.

Solving the interest problem will be more gradual and will require a rethink of the monetary system we currently live in, as I previously mentioned. I can’t see a sudden global ban on interest but governments (particularly those with low interest rates) could incentivise other forms of investment, increasing regulation around abusive high interest products and businesses to start with.

Some of these might seem very drastic but once we strip away the Arabic terminology, concepts like zakat can return our economies to the common sense-based, transparent and equitable set up that the architects of modern capitalism envisaged.

When the richest guy in the room is telling you the game is rigged, it’s time to change the rules.
Muhammed Yesilhark is a philanthropist, a trustee of the UK National Zakat Foundation and founder of the Q2Q Foundation

https://www.euronews.com/2019/04/16...Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1555431381

@Mangus Ortus Novem @Verve @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan
Islamic methods render the solution for all situations and all times.
Bogus currency caretakers are now so desperate that they want to know who is buying gold and silver. And Pakistan and India has already began to feel the heat.
This bogus wall is about to collapse.
 
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Many economists in the west do agree that capitalism as an economic model has failed, cautious ones say it is failing and then there is others who refuse totally, but had we developed, adopted it to current requirement Islamic mode of economics would have been accepted. We rather hid it behind deep rooted arabic jargons and did not align it inline with current requirements.
 
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Sorry economic system from a 1000 years ago is not applicable in today's world
 
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