Canadian Prime Minister talks about Religious Freedom in Pakistan

[Dubious]

sarkari muslims

and again....we dont put a prefix like Ahmaddiyya Muslims ......

The day you guys call yourselves Muslims (without a prefix) would be the day you voice up for negotiation!!

 

[Zaneesh852]

I am sure only sarkari muslims have a good brain right?

May not be, but at least they use whatever they have or try to....2 No Muslims are apparently wired with China made brains.

 

[Zibago]

Even if marzais are not muslims they still are Pakistanis and they should be allowed to live as free and equal citizens

Even if marzais are not muslims they still are Pakistanis and they should be allowed to live as free and equal citizens

 

[war&peace]

One thing which I see people are confusing on this thread is that as qadianis are a sect of Islam. No way, they are not Muslim but they use the label of Islam and there is a consensus among all Muslims about it. Because the conditions for becoming a Muslim, in addition to accepting one and only one God - Allah, a person must believe in heart and say with tongue publicly that Holy Prophet Muhammad is the final messenger of Allah. There is no new messenger after him. Even the Prophet Issa - Jesus will come as a follower despite being a prophet. However qadianis have the right to practice their religion and no body should harm or victimise them. But they should not call themselves as Muslims. It is like fake branding. You can sell you product with your own brand name but don't sell under the name of a famous brand. This is illegal throughout the world. Simple and straight forward.

 

[haviZsultan]

Isn't it already clear that we do not treat Ahmedis well. This discrimination is clear even in the ideal and demand that Ahmedis stop calling themselves muslim. Isn't that discrimination? Taking someones genuine right to call himself whatever he wants? Its like me saying I want to be called a Pakistani and people call me idiot instead. Let religions flourish, give freedom. Sow flowers not hatred. I remember Rehman Babas message of peace and Pir Roshans secularism. We must not fail our minorities.

But why are these Canadian ghulams of india crying. I know they are even worse and typical American minded westerners. They will try to frame innocent muslims as terrorists and have given nuclear technology to India, which used it to build a bomb-nuke bomb. Any change has to come from within. We want zero interference from these genocidal countries who spilled the blood of red indians to claim a niche and abode for themselves.

 

[Zaneesh852]

One thing which I see people are confusing on this thread is that as qadianis are a sect of Islam. No way, they are not Muslim but they use the label of Islam and there is a consensus among all Muslims about it. Because the for being Muslim in addition to accepting one and only one God - Allah, a person must believe in heart and say with tongue publicly that Holy Prophet Muhammad is the final messenger of Allah. There is no new messenger after him. Even the Prophet Issa - Jesus will come as a follower despite being a prophet. However qadianis have the right to practice their religion and no body should harm or victimise them. But they should not call themselves as Muslims. It is like fake branding. You can sell you product with your own brand name but don't sell under the name of a famous brand. This is illegal throughout the world. Simple and straight forward.

They started with calling mirza a prophet but have now settled at calling him Massih Nauzbillah.
Quran has already stamped the finality of Prophethood by always only mentioning the prophets before whenever mentioning them in totality, whereas if there were any prophets to come (like Muhammad (PBUH) in the times of Moses (AS) and Jesus (AS)) they have been clearly mentioned in the previous Holy Scripts (which Quran repeats on numerous occasions), however, there is no indication of whatsoever that the chain of prophethood would continue nor there has been any mentioning of prophet to come except Issa (SA).

 

[liontk]

to the most honorable Canadian pm - who gives a hoot what you say.

i am saddened to see such a childish response from a think tank of this forum and i would request that you pay some heed to the honorable prime minister's message even if you happen to be on the other side of the political spectrum.

 

[Pakistani E]

and again....we dont put a prefix like Ahmaddiyya Muslims ......

The day you guys call yourselves Muslims (without a prefix) would be the day you voice up for negotiation!!

In the UK census, I put down simply as "Muslim". Do I get any brownie points?

The whole history behind the the name "Ahmadi" being brought up is due to other sects calling themselves whatever. And I do not know where you are from but here people always emphasis what type of Muslims they are, i.e salaffiya, Ahle Tashe, Ahle hadeeth. These labels have already been in use for centuries before Jamaat e Ahmadiyya was founded. Labeling oneself an Ahmadi Muslim simply means I am a Muslim who follows the Ahmadiyya madhab. I see no harm in it.

 

[Dubious]

In the UK census, I put down simply as "Muslim". Do I get any brownie points?

Phir iss forum mein konsi takleef charri hai?

The whole history behind the the name "Ahmadi" being brought up is due to other sects calling themselves whatever.

So you mean to say your sect is no different?

And I do not know where you are from but here people always emphasis what type of Muslims they are, i.e salaffiya, Ahle Tashe, Ahle hadeeth.

Nutjobs are present in every community...Doesnt mean you need to feed their craziness!

These labels have already been in use for centuries before Jamaat e Ahmadiyya was founded. Labeling oneself an Ahmadi Muslim simply means I am a Muslim who follows the Ahmadiyya madhab. I see no harm in it.

You see no harm in it hence you put it for other things as well like Sarkari Muslim ....I see harm in both! Prophet preached unity you are preaching division!

No one comes on this site and declares such shit so kindly get over it!

 

[Pakistani E]

May not be, but at least they use whatever they have or try to....2 No Muslims are apparently wired with China made brains.

God gave every human being a similar brain, some no doubt with greater capabilities and blessings. But I don't think Religion had any part in what brain someone has.

 

[Zaneesh852]

In the UK census, I put down simply as "Muslim". Do I get any brownie points?

The whole history behind the the name "Ahmadi" being brought up is due to other sects calling themselves whatever. And I do not know where you are from but here people always emphasis what type of Muslims they are, i.e salaffiya, Ahle Tashe, Ahle hadeeth. These labels have already been in use for centuries before Jamaat e Ahmadiyya was founded. Labeling oneself an Ahmadi Muslim simply means I am a Muslim who follows the Ahmadiyya madhab. I see no harm in it.

Probably you should read up on the definition of Madhab.....

 

[Ehsan]

Are you guys still on this thread, i already have another one to spread your anti ahmadi feelings

Ahmadiyya convention gives India-Pakistan diplomacy a chance

 

[Zaneesh852]

God gave every human being a similar brain, some no doubt with greater capabilities and blessings. But I don't think Religion had any part in what brain someone has.

If brain has nothing to do with religion, then why does Quran want people to "Tafaqhu fid deen" or use "Afala taqilon?" "Afala tasharoon"?
Do you order righteousness to mankind and forget yourselves whereas you read the Book? Then, have you nosense? (Al-Bakara 44)
Then do they not ponder in Quran and if it had been from other than Allah, then they would surely have foundtherein much discrepancy? (An-Nisaa, 82)
Say you, 'I do not say to you, I possess the treasures, of Allah, 'and nor I Say,' I know the unseen myself, andnor do I say to you, 'I am an angel. I follow only that which is revealed to me.' Say you, shall the blind and theseeing become equal? Do you then not ponder? (Al-An'aam, 50)

Just three of the examples. Probably you should at least read Quran once before advocating your understanding of Islam.

 

[Ehsan]

If brain has nothing to do with religion, then why does Quran want people to "Tafaqhu fid deen" or use "Afala taqilon?" "Afala tasharoon"?
Do you order righteousness to mankind and forget yourselves whereas you read the Book? Then, have you nosense? (Al-Bakara 44)
Then do they not ponder in Quran and if it had been from other than Allah, then they would surely have foundtherein much discrepancy? (An-Nisaa, 82)
Say you, 'I do not say to you, I possess the treasures, of Allah, 'and nor I Say,' I know the unseen myself, andnor do I say to you, 'I am an angel. I follow only that which is revealed to me.' Say you, shall the blind and theseeing become equal? Do you then not ponder? (Al-An'aam, 50)

Just three of the examples. Probably you should at least read Quran once before advocating your understanding of Islam.

why would you quote from Quran for someone who you do not consider to even be a Muslim ? lol

 

[Zaneesh852]

why would you quote from Quran for someone who you do not consider to even be a Muslim ? lol

Just three of the examples. Probably you should at least read Quran once before advocating your understanding of Islam.

Probably you should read the whole post first.